nice that the camera has anti-shake built into it but those lens... yuck! they can't compare to the big boys. real pro-sumers go for Nikon and Canon. right?
Real "prosumers" can always go with the safe choice of Canon or Nikon and pay out the wazoo. However, Sony with their Zeiss partnership actually has some excellent lenses out and Pentax actually has incredible lenses and bodies as well. The K10D will give EOS30D performance, except for the burst mode, for the price of the Rebel XTi. It also has weather sealing and works with all K and KA mount Pentax lenses ever. The "prosumers" who care about image quality can be found across the board. The "I only buy Canikon" group that is doing it because those are the only brands it has heard of...are the ignorant prosumers.
@za sony's relationship with zeiss is all marketing IMHO. Look at the aperture on those lens they're boasting about in this release! f/3.5-5.5. That's not a lens a prosumer would ever go near. Zeiss makes nice glass but... these lens don't even come close to the quality they've been known for in the past.
"nice that the camera has anti-shake built into it but those lens... yuck! they can't compare to the big boys. real pro-sumers go for Nikon and Canon. right? "
and you see in body stabilization of the sony brand has all the stabilizaton adventage of in lense systems, but works with every lense! and the a200 and a700 have even improved stabilization than the a100 (0.5 stops) - so based on the chart only one lense - the nikon 18-200mm - has a 0.5 stop more effective stabilization system than the sony alpha a200 and a700 is capeable of.
"sony's relationship with zeiss is all marketing IMHO. Look at the aperture on those lens they're boasting about in this release! f/3.5-5.5. That's not a lens a prosumer would ever go near. Zeiss makes nice glass but... these lens don't even come close to the quality they've been known for in the past."
You must be refering to the 16-80mm carl zeiss lense. Which is optically one amazing lense. Built with price in mind it do suffer from a slower aperature than it should have had. I agree to that.
But the other Carl Zeiss lenses - the 85mm 1.4 and 135mm 1.8, they are extremly sharp, very large aperature and build very well. So the guy who badmouth those two must not know very much about what he is talking about.
When you compare lens stabilization with body stabilization, I propose adding one dimension: time. Camera lenses used to be sustain more than 10 years. This has gone, I think. Any stabilization system uses electric circuit and mechanical drive. These two parts will decline it's functionality after long years, 5 to 10 years. Do you imagine any consumer electric device that sustain full power for 10 years? I doubt. So, after 5 years, lens professionals will be using faded lens without noticing it. On the other hand, body stabilization system will give us fresh and improved functionality when we purchase new body. This will be a big advantage after 5 years. For example, I upgraded Sony Alfa 100 to Alfa 700, and feels stabilization capability has improved one step (not 0.5 step). Further, I expect future Alfa 900 will improve it a little bit, and continue improving forever. On the other hands, Lens stabilized one will start losing power over long time range, and never refreshed unless you replace all the expensive lenses.
"You must be refering to the 16-80mm carl zeiss lense. Which is optically one amazing lense. Built with price in mind it do suffer from a slower aperature than it should have had."
-yes, that was what I was referring to.
"But the other Carl Zeiss lenses - the 85mm 1.4 and 135mm 1.8, they are *extremly* sharp, very large *aperature* and build very well. So the guy who badmouth those two must not know very much about what he is talking about."
-sticks and stones, sticks and stones. No need to throw an insult my way. Obviously I wasn't talking about the 1.4 and 1.8 lenses. Have a nice day.
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marc @ Jan 6th 2008 8:38PM
nice that the camera has anti-shake built into it but those lens... yuck! they can't compare to the big boys. real pro-sumers go for Nikon and Canon. right?
Za @ Jan 6th 2008 9:19PM
Real "prosumers" can always go with the safe choice of Canon or Nikon and pay out the wazoo. However, Sony with their Zeiss partnership actually has some excellent lenses out and Pentax actually has incredible lenses and bodies as well. The K10D will give EOS30D performance, except for the burst mode, for the price of the Rebel XTi. It also has weather sealing and works with all K and KA mount Pentax lenses ever. The "prosumers" who care about image quality can be found across the board. The "I only buy Canikon" group that is doing it because those are the only brands it has heard of...are the ignorant prosumers.
tamoghno @ Jan 6th 2008 10:10PM
Sony has some great lenese ? Pentex Incredible body & lenses ?
Ok i can understand that some people just comments without knowing anything except brandname.
if there's any company NOW that can compete with nikon & canon , that is olympus.
marc @ Jan 6th 2008 11:46PM
@za
sony's relationship with zeiss is all marketing IMHO. Look at the aperture on those lens they're boasting about in this release! f/3.5-5.5. That's not a lens a prosumer would ever go near. Zeiss makes nice glass but... these lens don't even come close to the quality they've been known for in the past.
Geir E @ Jan 7th 2008 5:30AM
marc @ Jan 6th 2008 8:38PM
"nice that the camera has anti-shake built into it but those lens... yuck! they can't compare to the big boys. real pro-sumers go for Nikon and Canon. right? "
For in body vs lense stabilizaton read this one:
http://www.popphoto.com/cameras/4615/image-stabilization-special-stop-the-shake-lab-report-page2.html
and you see in body stabilization of the sony brand has all the stabilizaton adventage of in lense systems, but works with every lense! and the a200 and a700 have even improved stabilization than the a100 (0.5 stops) - so based on the chart only one lense - the nikon 18-200mm - has a 0.5 stop more effective stabilization system than the sony alpha a200 and a700 is capeable of.
Geir E @ Jan 7th 2008 5:38AM
marc @ Jan 6th 2008 11:46PM
"sony's relationship with zeiss is all marketing IMHO. Look at the aperture on those lens they're boasting about in this release! f/3.5-5.5. That's not a lens a prosumer would ever go near. Zeiss makes nice glass but... these lens don't even come close to the quality they've been known for in the past."
You must be refering to the 16-80mm carl zeiss lense. Which is optically one amazing lense. Built with price in mind it do suffer from a slower aperature than it should have had. I agree to that.
But the other Carl Zeiss lenses - the 85mm 1.4 and 135mm 1.8, they are extremly sharp, very large aperature and build very well. So the guy who badmouth those two must not know very much about what he is talking about.
Mike @ Jan 13th 2008 5:46PM
When you compare lens stabilization with body stabilization, I propose adding one dimension: time.
Camera lenses used to be sustain more than 10 years. This has gone, I think. Any stabilization system uses electric circuit and mechanical drive. These two parts will decline it's functionality after long years, 5 to 10 years. Do you imagine any consumer electric device that sustain full power for 10 years? I doubt. So, after 5 years, lens professionals will be using faded lens without noticing it.
On the other hand, body stabilization system will give us fresh and improved functionality when we purchase new body. This will be a big advantage after 5 years.
For example, I upgraded Sony Alfa 100 to Alfa 700, and feels stabilization capability has improved one step (not 0.5 step). Further, I expect future Alfa 900 will improve it a little bit, and continue improving forever. On the other hands, Lens stabilized one will start losing power over long time range, and never refreshed unless you replace all the expensive lenses.
marc @ Jan 16th 2008 10:32AM
@Geir E
"You must be refering to the 16-80mm carl zeiss lense. Which is optically one amazing lense. Built with price in mind it do suffer from a slower aperature than it should have had."
-yes, that was what I was referring to.
"But the other Carl Zeiss lenses - the 85mm 1.4 and 135mm 1.8, they are *extremly* sharp, very large *aperature* and build very well. So the guy who badmouth those two must not know very much about what he is talking about."
-sticks and stones, sticks and stones. No need to throw an insult my way. Obviously I wasn't talking about the 1.4 and 1.8 lenses. Have a nice day.