I don't get why you guys are sayin' that Universal and Paramount should make the switch. Why in the FUCK would anyone in their right mind seriously want Blu-Ray to win? Yeah, its technically superior- but not by much, and it includes more expensive players, DRM to the brink, and it's main supporter, and pretty much creator, Sony, would rape us all with it.
HD-DVD has practically equal quality for today's movies and the storage sizes are comparable (at least in a practicality standpoint).
HD-DVD is THE choice for consumers, and Blu-Ray is that of studios and corporations. Do whats RIGHT for the consumer, and skip this Blu-Ray bullshit.
"HD-DVD is THE choice for consumers, and Blu-Ray is that of studios and corporations. Do whats RIGHT for the consumer, and skip this Blu-Ray bullshit."
Zeus, I just wanted to let you know, since you live in your own 'special place' that consumers HAVE chosen Blu-Ray over HD DVD 2 to 1, 3 to 1, 4 to 1, 9 to 1, and then some depending on where in the world you look.
You mean consumers chose to buy a PS3 that just so happened to play Blu-ray discs. Other than the PS3 there is very little stand-alone player purchasing support of the format. The PS3 was just a good marketing tool for the format. Consumers who bought an HD-DVD player or the 360 add-on chose to support that format for video purposes. Take the PS3 out of the equation and numbers change drastically. Most PS3 owners are repeat Playstation brand customers.
Jughead, a ps3 is technically not a stand alone player. Nobody is forcing PS3 owners to buy blu-ray movies for it. It does a lot more than play blu-ray movies. But Since it was so cheep and such a relatively high end features consumers chose to buy blu-ray for it. It's like if there were was a good HD-DVD laptop that everyone bought and watched Hd-DVD movies on. Just because it's not a stand alone player doesn't mean it's shouldn't count and doesn't mean the sales don't really help the format. As long as sales of discs are good, stand alone sales don't matter yet. And they won't matter until we have a clear established winner. If blu-ray clearly wins, sales of blu-ray player will drastically increase since there is no more consumer confusion. And HD-DVD player sales will die off very quickly
Are you kidding? HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray, comparing the specifications and price, its HD-DVD all the way. The difference in performance and quality is not worth the difference in price.
Lol, I'm a fanboy? Are you daft? If anyone here is a fanboy, its clearly you. HD-DVD is the better choice, its just Sony has been buying out all the studios, rather than letting them stick with their choice.
There are still more standalone players for HD-DVD than Blu-Ray, and that definitely means something. Either HD-DVD really is more popular, or the PS3 is the only thing preventing HD-DVD from becoming the "winner".
Whatever. You're just a retard, apparently, and if you could remove Sony's shaft from your mouth, you would realize how stupid you're being. Blu-Ray is BAD for the consumer.
first... how do you figure there are more stand-alone hd-dvd players, last i checked toshiba is the only manufacturer of those... also the reason the ps3 is so important (and i kno i sell these things for a living) is because a lot of consumers have been buying them primarily for their excellent blu-ray playback... and btw who are u to tell me an informed consumer whats bad for me, im a grown ass man i can make that decision on my own! P.S. in case you havent gotten the memo hd dvd payed a shit load for paramount
"first... how do you figure there are more stand-alone hd-dvd players, last i checked toshiba is the only manufacturer of those... also the reason the ps3 is so important (and i kno i sell these things for a living) is because a lot of consumers have been buying them primarily for their excellent blu-ray playback... and btw who are u to tell me an informed consumer whats bad for me, im a grown ass man i can make that decision on my own! P.S. in case you havent gotten the memo hd dvd payed a shit load for paramount"
Its common knowledge at this point that there are more HD-DVD players (stand alone, that is) than there are those of Blu-Ray. Also, Toshiba is not the only manufacturer, as you can plainly see from the pictures of the HD-DVD booth at CES. Onkyo and Venturer are shown, as well as the Toshiba models. On top of that, you don't have to have multiple different manufacturers to have a product sell more than an other product.
The PS3 is the only reason Blu-Ray is winning as far as the amount of discs sold, and I've heard many bad things about the playback of the PS3. If I were to purchase a Blu-Ray player for Blu-Ray, it would be, you guessed it, a Blu-Ray player because it will most definitely have better playback than a video game console.
I would also like to point out that I'm not trying to make decisions for anyone- I'm only pointing out the obvious in that HD-DVD is better for the consumer than Blu-Ray, what with the fact that HD-DVD isn't chock full of DRM bullshit, unlike Blu-Ray, which is being DRMed to the max. DRM isn't the only reason, though. Price comes into play, when you can find HD-DVD players that sell for sub-200 dollars and some you can find for as low as 99. That means less money spent by the consumer, and more money available (by the consumer) to purchase movies.
I understand that HD-DVD has paid money for some companies, but they aren't pulling a Sony in the fact that they aren't going around attempting to buy out every studio available. I'm sure that if HD-DVD loses, it has lost less money than Blu-Ray has so far, which would still be a win in Toshiba's eyes.
In closing, I feel you don't know anything of which you're attempting to argue with me about. Your pure lack of knowledge to the statistics and specifications of both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are justification for that feeling, and I must say you're likely just another Sony fanboy.
>> Its common knowledge at this point that there are more HD-DVD players (stand alone, that is) than there are those of Blu-Ray.
The HD DVD group's often quoted statistic. When paired with their "attach rate" statistics, you have proof positive of HD DVD's dominance. Except that these numbers have been maincured to look like data, when they're simply marketing bullet points.
>> Also, Toshiba is not the only manufacturer, as you can plainly see from the pictures of the HD-DVD booth at CES. Onkyo and Venturer are shown, as well as the Toshiba models.
The new Venturer player is a rebadged Toshiba A3.
The Onkyo is a also a rebadged Toshiba.
>> On top of that, you don't have to have multiple different manufacturers to have a product sell more than an other product.
Narrowing the definition of your product to make it appear you are the market leader is, again, marketing spin.
>> The PS3 is the only reason Blu-Ray is winning as far as the amount of discs sold
We're finally getting to it...
>> ... I'm only pointing out the obvious in that HD-DVD is better for the consumer than Blu-Ray, what with the fact that HD-DVD isn't chock full of DRM bullshit, unlike Blu-Ray, which is being DRMed to the max.
DRM and Sony. Why have you bothered arguing about anything else, it's obvious these arguments are where your heart is?
Apparently, even though HD DVD has DRM, "not as much" makes it a far superior to Blu ray.
>> DRM isn't the only reason, though. Price comes into play, when you can find HD-DVD players that sell for sub-200 dollars and some you can find for as low as 99. That means less money spent by the consumer, and more money available (by the consumer) to purchase movies.
The $99 A1s were basically gone in the day or two that Walmart blew them out. There are sub $200 HD DVD players, but there are also sub $300 Blu-ray players: if $100 is going to make or break you today, you should be a mainstream adopter, buying when un-subsidized prices reach your tolerance level. Competition amongst the many Blu-ray hardware manufacturers will ensure that prices will be affordable soon.
>> I understand that HD-DVD has paid money for some companies, but they aren't pulling a Sony in the fact that they aren't going around attempting to buy out every studio available.
Warner specifically said there was no payout from the Blu ray group. Opinions on the internets that "they wouldn't have switched witout a payoff" do not make it so.
>> I'm sure that if HD-DVD loses, it has lost less money than Blu-Ray has so far, which would still be a win in Toshiba's eyes.
Toshiba wanted HD DVD to preserve the royalty stream as consumers transition away from regular DVD.
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I don't get why you guys are sayin' that Universal and Paramount should make the switch. Why in the FUCK would anyone in their right mind seriously want Blu-Ray to win? Yeah, its technically superior- but not by much, and it includes more expensive players, DRM to the brink, and it's main supporter, and pretty much creator, Sony, would rape us all with it.
HD-DVD has practically equal quality for today's movies and the storage sizes are comparable (at least in a practicality standpoint).
HD-DVD is THE choice for consumers, and Blu-Ray is that of studios and corporations. Do whats RIGHT for the consumer, and skip this Blu-Ray bullshit.
Its over dude..
"HD-DVD is THE choice for consumers, and Blu-Ray is that of studios and corporations. Do whats RIGHT for the consumer, and skip this Blu-Ray bullshit."
Zeus, I just wanted to let you know, since you live in your own 'special place' that consumers HAVE chosen Blu-Ray over HD DVD 2 to 1, 3 to 1, 4 to 1, 9 to 1, and then some depending on where in the world you look.
**Gives you a fanboi medal of honor**
You mean consumers chose to buy a PS3 that just so happened to play Blu-ray discs. Other than the PS3 there is very little stand-alone player purchasing support of the format. The PS3 was just a good marketing tool for the format. Consumers who bought an HD-DVD player or the 360 add-on chose to support that format for video purposes. Take the PS3 out of the equation and numbers change drastically. Most PS3 owners are repeat Playstation brand customers.
Jughead, a ps3 is technically not a stand alone player. Nobody is forcing PS3 owners to buy blu-ray movies for it. It does a lot more than play blu-ray movies. But Since it was so cheep and such a relatively high end features consumers chose to buy blu-ray for it. It's like if there were was a good HD-DVD laptop that everyone bought and watched Hd-DVD movies on. Just because it's not a stand alone player doesn't mean it's shouldn't count and doesn't mean the sales don't really help the format. As long as sales of discs are good, stand alone sales don't matter yet. And they won't matter until we have a clear established winner. If blu-ray clearly wins, sales of blu-ray player will drastically increase since there is no more consumer confusion. And HD-DVD player sales will die off very quickly
Are you kidding? HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray, comparing the specifications and price, its HD-DVD all the way. The difference in performance and quality is not worth the difference in price.
Lol, I'm a fanboy? Are you daft? If anyone here is a fanboy, its clearly you. HD-DVD is the better choice, its just Sony has been buying out all the studios, rather than letting them stick with their choice.
There are still more standalone players for HD-DVD than Blu-Ray, and that definitely means something. Either HD-DVD really is more popular, or the PS3 is the only thing preventing HD-DVD from becoming the "winner".
Whatever. You're just a retard, apparently, and if you could remove Sony's shaft from your mouth, you would realize how stupid you're being. Blu-Ray is BAD for the consumer.
first... how do you figure there are more stand-alone hd-dvd players, last i checked toshiba is the only manufacturer of those... also the reason the ps3 is so important (and i kno i sell these things for a living) is because a lot of consumers have been buying them primarily for their excellent blu-ray playback... and btw who are u to tell me an informed consumer whats bad for me, im a grown ass man i can make that decision on my own!
P.S. in case you havent gotten the memo hd dvd payed a shit load for paramount
@ Anime:
"first... how do you figure there are more stand-alone hd-dvd players, last i checked toshiba is the only manufacturer of those... also the reason the ps3 is so important (and i kno i sell these things for a living) is because a lot of consumers have been buying them primarily for their excellent blu-ray playback... and btw who are u to tell me an informed consumer whats bad for me, im a grown ass man i can make that decision on my own!
P.S. in case you havent gotten the memo hd dvd payed a shit load for paramount"
Its common knowledge at this point that there are more HD-DVD players (stand alone, that is) than there are those of Blu-Ray. Also, Toshiba is not the only manufacturer, as you can plainly see from the pictures of the HD-DVD booth at CES. Onkyo and Venturer are shown, as well as the Toshiba models. On top of that, you don't have to have multiple different manufacturers to have a product sell more than an other product.
The PS3 is the only reason Blu-Ray is winning as far as the amount of discs sold, and I've heard many bad things about the playback of the PS3. If I were to purchase a Blu-Ray player for Blu-Ray, it would be, you guessed it, a Blu-Ray player because it will most definitely have better playback than a video game console.
I would also like to point out that I'm not trying to make decisions for anyone- I'm only pointing out the obvious in that HD-DVD is better for the consumer than Blu-Ray, what with the fact that HD-DVD isn't chock full of DRM bullshit, unlike Blu-Ray, which is being DRMed to the max. DRM isn't the only reason, though. Price comes into play, when you can find HD-DVD players that sell for sub-200 dollars and some you can find for as low as 99. That means less money spent by the consumer, and more money available (by the consumer) to purchase movies.
I understand that HD-DVD has paid money for some companies, but they aren't pulling a Sony in the fact that they aren't going around attempting to buy out every studio available. I'm sure that if HD-DVD loses, it has lost less money than Blu-Ray has so far, which would still be a win in Toshiba's eyes.
In closing, I feel you don't know anything of which you're attempting to argue with me about. Your pure lack of knowledge to the statistics and specifications of both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are justification for that feeling, and I must say you're likely just another Sony fanboy.
@zeus
>> Its common knowledge at this point that there are more HD-DVD players (stand alone, that is) than there are those of Blu-Ray.
The HD DVD group's often quoted statistic. When paired with their "attach rate" statistics, you have proof positive of HD DVD's dominance. Except that these numbers have been maincured to look like data, when they're simply marketing bullet points.
>> Also, Toshiba is not the only manufacturer, as you can plainly see from the pictures of the HD-DVD booth at CES. Onkyo and Venturer are shown, as well as the Toshiba models.
The new Venturer player is a rebadged Toshiba A3.
The Onkyo is a also a rebadged Toshiba.
>> On top of that, you don't have to have multiple different manufacturers to have a product sell more than an other product.
Narrowing the definition of your product to make it appear you are the market leader is, again, marketing spin.
>> The PS3 is the only reason Blu-Ray is winning as far as the amount of discs sold
We're finally getting to it...
>> ... I'm only pointing out the obvious in that HD-DVD is better for the consumer than Blu-Ray, what with the fact that HD-DVD isn't chock full of DRM bullshit, unlike Blu-Ray, which is being DRMed to the max.
DRM and Sony. Why have you bothered arguing about anything else, it's obvious these arguments are where your heart is?
Apparently, even though HD DVD has DRM, "not as much" makes it a far superior to Blu ray.
>> DRM isn't the only reason, though. Price comes into play, when you can find HD-DVD players that sell for sub-200 dollars and some you can find for as low as 99. That means less money spent by the consumer, and more money available (by the consumer) to purchase movies.
The $99 A1s were basically gone in the day or two that Walmart blew them out. There are sub $200 HD DVD players, but there are also sub $300 Blu-ray players: if $100 is going to make or break you today, you should be a mainstream adopter, buying when un-subsidized prices reach your tolerance level. Competition amongst the many Blu-ray hardware manufacturers will ensure that prices will be affordable soon.
>> I understand that HD-DVD has paid money for some companies, but they aren't pulling a Sony in the fact that they aren't going around attempting to buy out every studio available.
Warner specifically said there was no payout from the Blu ray group. Opinions on the internets that "they wouldn't have switched witout a payoff" do not make it so.
>> I'm sure that if HD-DVD loses, it has lost less money than Blu-Ray has so far, which would still be a win in Toshiba's eyes.
Toshiba wanted HD DVD to preserve the royalty stream as consumers transition away from regular DVD.