iPhone firmware 1.1.3 update announced: it's just like we heard
By Thomas Ricker 
posted Jan 15th 2008 11:49AM
posted Jan 15th 2008 11:49AM
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Wow.... I think this is the first time?
http://thedailytech.wordpress.com
20$? so ipod users has to buy the firmware upgrade?? that sucks.. haha
Where is the native iChat application? :-(
$20, thats not bad ...
No - that's a rip off.
$20 for what?
@ Anthony...
Old rope.
@ Anthony
I don't know when the last time you tried to engineer a revolutionary mobile operating system, but I'll tell you it's not cheap.
Apple supplements that R&D cost by signing revenue sharing deals with AT&T, though all iPod Touch sales, which could conceivably be cannibalizing iPhone sales as well, don't generate that revenue for Apple.
Is it a little crappy to have to pay $20, yeah, I'll grant that, but that doesn't mean I can't understand or justify it. It costs Apple every time someone chooses an iPod Touch over an iPhone.
It's especially crappy when I've already got them on my jailbroken iPod touch.
that really sux... where's microsoft's answer to the iphone?
Well there is this thing called Windows Mobile that's been around for something like a decade or so that you can find on over a hundred different devices based on your preferences.
Granted it's not idiotproof and doesn't have the eyecandy, but it's 10x more functional.
And seriously what the hell is Apple thinking charging $20 for that update...it's going to a) piss of existing customers and b) be hacked in less than a week. Really bad idea on their part. Guess it shows how greedy companies get as they get bigger. Oh, I'm sorry, I meant 'maximizing profits'.
iPod Touch users have to pay?
iPod Touch users have to PAY?
IPOD TOUCH USERS HAVE TO PAY?
That is just grubby. Why in the world? I don't have an iPod Touch but that just makes me sick.
What no FLASH!
What no iChat!
Still @1.0.2 and will be until we get FLASH and iChat. I'll keep my 3rd party apps.
-Brewster-
So I buy the nicest iPod on the planet, the 16 gig iPod touch, and I have to pay $20 for basically one useful native application (Google Maps)? And it's free on the iPhone?
Blow me where the pampers is, Steve.
Will this update make the FM Radio Remote work with the touch? That's what I want. Not inclined to give up my hacked touch that has these things already.
Anyone noticed the Apple site says the Radio Remote works with everything except shuffle? Check out my post on Murphy Mac. If they don't make the Radio Remote work I'm going to be quite irked.
Arent you the king of the castle
Are these guys fools? Burning every early adopter like that didn't work for them last time.
I suggest every iPt owner votes with(out) their wallets and holds tight for a 1.1.3 jailbreak.
Well I guess Apple is pulling an Archos and making their users pay for additional features. The only difference is Apply charges you the premium up front AND afterwards. Nice move Apple....NOT! Charging for firmware releases, lame move. Call me when the iPod Touch starts giving out this firmware for free, or more realistically when hackers well hack it, or when I can get one for more than 16GB and I'm on board. Until then..
*Continues to listen to his Zune 80*
someone post the link to the .ispw file in here once its ready.
thanks!
So Apple TV owners who own a device over a year old get a free software upgrade that includes many new features... but iPod Touch users who've only had there devices for a maximum of, what, 6 months or so have to _pay_ for a couple of minor features?
Words cannot describe that... and to think I almost purchased one recently. Never again. I'll stick with my Zune.
Not 6 months, BUT 4 Months
I'm sure they'd make iPhone users pay (for 1.1.3) too but they're too concerned about locking out those with hacked iPhones so they HAVE to give that up for free.
What no FLASH!
What no iChat!
Still @1.0.2 and will be until we get FLASH and iChat. I'll keep my 3rd party apps.
-Brewster-
you can upgrade to 1.1.2 and keep it jailbroken.
I give this version less than a week. Maybe someone can extract the secpack, too.
I'm sure they'd make iPhone users pay (for 1.1.3) too but they're too concerned about locking out those with hacked iPhones so they HAVE to give that up for free.
Steve Jobs has no idea that there are about 100,000 deaf T-Mobile Sidekick customers in America (which makes up most of the Sidekick customer base) waiting for a decent smartphone to come out because we hate T-Mobile so terribly but can't let go of the Sidekick only because it has the only good AIM application in a smartphone. What Steve fails to realize is that once he actually adds a native iChat application, that's an automatic increase in 100,000 (or more!) increase in iPhone sales!
That, and a data-only plan... that's the reason I personally am still waiting. Why pay for 450 minutes of talk time I'd never use?
Yeah, some retailers tried to sell the iPhone with a data-only plan but Apple found out and made these retailers cancel that plan because of their deal with AT&T. Then Apple tried to sell a voice-only plan but so many deaf people were so pissed because Apple canceled the data-only plan and promoted a voice-only plan. Apple was then forced to cancel the voice-only plan. Why can't Apple use their heads and offer a data-only plan as well as a voice-only plan?!
Yes seconded please post the ispw link when discovered, ive tried poking around to no avail
IPSW file: http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-4061.20080115.4Fvn7/iPhone1,1_1.1.3_4A93_Restore.ipsw
thats the iPhone One where the iPod Touch
So since this new "multiple SMS" is available for the iPhone along with all these other features...they'll be available for the iPod Touch as well.
When did the iPod Touch get SMS functionality in the first place? Much less multiple.
STILL no MMS support? No video recording? WTF?
It's getting really embarrassing that I'm being shown humorous MMS messages from my brother with a Cricket phone and I'm holding my $500 iPhone in my hand going, "oh, send it to me and I will have to go to some lame-ass AT&T website and some how, miraculously remember the long string of username/password that comes in the SMS so I can actually VIEW the sumbich"
Oh, yeah. I'm STILL pissed that I can't create my own ringtones without breaking into the thing. I'm sorry, but my taste in ambient ringtones isn't satisfied by purchasing Justin Timberlake from iTunes for my phone. BS.
Well they did announce an SDK in Feb, so im sure there will be a ton of iChat programs out. Of course this will all be seen after we know what the SDK can do. I for one am excited about programming for the iPhone for fun.
Now, where do we find the new iPhone firmware?
Stands to reason that if you owned an iPhone you'd know. Its right there in iTunes, right where its always been.
When 1.1.2 was released, it got released through non-iTunes means a few days before it hit iTunes "Check for Updates".
Ipod Touch upgrade 20$?!? WTF Steve is thinking? Bittorrent everyone? Come on this is pure greed. and why I would pay for some stuff I will never use? What Stocks :-( What the hell! I don't care about the market price of an Apple share!
Well hold on I believe that in no more than a month, if every iTouch user keep their money in their pocket, we will see a free upgrade. Now I am going to check my favourite bittorrent sites to get my update very soon!
The reason that iPod Touch owners are paying is thanks to Enron and Sarbanes-Oxley; as a one-off purchase the iPod Touch is entered for accounting purposes as a single item, so any software upgrades after the point-of-purchase have to be charged for to avoid falling foul of new accounting regulations.
The iPhone, on the other hand, is accounted for differently, and has an ongoing monthly subscription attached, so they can legally upgrade it after the original purchase date as it is still being 'purchased'.
I doubt Apple is making much on $20, and certainly not if you factor in the inevitable bad will it causes.
But thank Enron and crooked CEOs for having to do this, and not Apple.
For further comment on the whole charge-for update and related
accounting practices, see http://mjtsai.com/blog/2007/01/16/buy-base-station-to-get-software-update/
It's disingenuous to blame Apple for something they have to do.
What a BS reply. There are many pieces of hardware with non-subscription based software that don't charge for updates. Blaming this on an accounting regulation is ridiculous. Have you ever paid for an update to Windows or OS X? No. If Apples accounting dept can figure out how to properly account for the cost of OS X updates, they can account for iPod Touch updates.
Generally speaking, if an update adds new features to an OS then yes, I have paid for it; and I hope you have to. Point updates via Software Update are generally bug-fixes, and aren't covered in the same way, as you aren't getting anything you haven't paid for already at the initial point of purchase.
That's funny.. When I upgraded my older Zune to the new firmware (with additional features), I don't remember paying for it.
It's always possible that Microsoft were accounting for Zunes over multiple quarters in recognition of the fact they knew they were going to upgrade the software to add features. Or they were interpreting the accounting rules differently. Whether to charge for upgrades or not is very much a bean-counter call and not Steve Job's...
Here's a link to New Hardware features gives via a software update...for free.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/zune/firstgen-zune-getting-all-the-new-features-this-is-how-you-treat-your-customers-306422.php
Also, did any of the updates to the PS3 or PSP get charged for? And were there new features added?
http://mjtsai.com is a link to a blog owned by a Mac Developer, so I find his opinion suspect. Especially when his only interest in accounting principle is to defend Apple. I myself am just an iPhone owner. ...and I take offense to the insinuation that I steal software AndyW.
Andy W is entirely full of it. The cost for this update has nothing to do with accounting regulations or Enron.
It's a bad move on Apple's part. Then again, just a few months ago, they charged OSX owners $150 for an upgrade named Leopard, so this isn't surprising in the least...
they've probably just testing the waters to see how willing everyone is to pay for the updates. When it blows up in their faces - and it will - they'll probably give everyone a $20 iTunes credit.
But again, Andy W is entirely FOS.
Sorry AndyW, but you're wrong. Companies are allowed to provide free upgrades to its users. Look at Zune or most of Microsoft's products as well as many other gadget type company.
What you're referring to is different.
I'm a little peaved at this update too! I spend $500 on an iPod and to get the features I was expecting is costing me another flipping $20?! Is this fiasco going to result in us all getting a $20 refund credit to the apple store in the end to? Time to flood their phone lines! This is BS!
Yeah, this is pretty stupid honestly. They'll make so little money on the deal, is it worth not only pissing off all of the Touch owners, but also attracting negative publicity to an otherwise good keynote?
Release date?
7.6 version of itunes, and it supports 64 bit windows vista ... bout time.
AS if the new year celebrations where not enough here comes again one more time Steve's Key note that has Every geek on it's heels, me too I swear, but I'm spotting a trend that is looking Ugly as ever, "update fees"?.
It was first introduced with the wireless adapters in Imacs, you had to pay to get them to do what they are supposed to do, and now this, 20 dollars for letting the ipod touch run the applications it should've had anyway, applications that Apple didn't see fit introducing but had to change his mind due to the fact that hackers pissed on their FRONT yard and with a big sign told him , "IF YOU TRY TO FOOL THE CONSUMER WE'LL F##K YOU SILLY, OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL YOU LEARN". And I pay for gadgets, and pay hefty, since we all know that today's avant-garde is history tomorrow, and instead of easing our minds steve let's us know straight in our face, "Yeah boys go poke yourself with a stick". Well Steve there are so may thing's I would like to say to you, for instance why don't you actually TRUST the mac community, they may surprise you, Keep making beautiful hardware ( or the prettier out there), and let the hackers and programmers bring you the added value that mass involvement projects ( think google), but no you keep on the same steady philosophy as you did back in the "call your apple dealer to fix this" time, I remember when apple users where brought to their knees for the uneasiness of trying to fix their machines, but suddenly a whole bunch of tweakers shifted to mac, and started doing what they did best "find the best in you, to give the most to us", like love; but you are a jealous lover, an over protecting father that believes his soon will never be as good as him, In that you are wrong, and you will be proven wrong again and again, because "where there is a will there is always a way", and will is all we've got since you have the control. The iphone price drop, all those first revision buggy hardware for which you never apologize, the Software update charges ( indiscriminately i must add, why don't we get charged for every update? or are you upset to the hacker community for bringing applications to the touch before you even knew if you wanted to do so? Retaliation?
but I'll sum this up :
STEVE EITHER GROW UP, or GO F##K YOURSELF
1.1.3 is out, downloading right now off of iTunes.
Yeah! Wasn't workng at first...
really? i still cant get 1.1.3...
$20 for new software is a problem?
If anyone here is a developer, they will understand the logic. In order for these devices to be successful, there has to be a market for innovation.
In Feb, the SDK is released, and there will be a boatload of new software available. This software is not going to be free, Apple has always been a great company to develop software for, because their user base understands the value of paying for innovative. quality tools.
20,000 iphones a day, that is alot of people that will pay for applications.
Well guess what. You can only buy the iPod Touch update if you are in one of the countries where the iTunes Store "operates" (whatever that means). All the other countries are LOCKED OUT.
This is completely ridiculous. I am sick and tired of the silly geographical restrictions that have no meaning anymore. I mean, what difference does it make where I buy the damn update?
There is a difference in how the updates are being handled between the iPod Touch and iPhone/AppleTV because of the accounting process Apple announced during the summer. Apple is accruing the profit from both the iPhone and AppleTV over some time span (a year or two...cannot remember now) in order to be able to add features at no cost to the end user. Why they didn't do the same for the iPod Touch I have no clue.
It's really a shame to charge ipod touch owners for a firmware upgrade. IPhone owners already have these applications for free. Since iPod touch and iPhone uses the same operating system, they will not spend an extra effort to port those applications for the ipod touch. Maybe $20 is not much for most of the people, but i don't think selling firmware updates is ethical. So, I am keeping my jailbroken 1.1.2 firmware. When the SDK will be released in february, i believe there will be much better applications available than apple's native ones, for free.
Hey - if you guys are going to use a screen cap from our video, would you mind linking to it in your post? It would be appreciated:
http://video.gearlive.com/video/article/q407-video-iphone-113-firmware-feature-walkthrough/
Make sure you are running iTunes 7.6 to get your 1.1.3 on...
Downloading now off iTunes (didn't even need to upgrade to iTunes 7.6 first). Only 11 hours to go... I'm guessing there are a lot of people downloading it right now.
Seems to be moving a bit faster... Only 16 mins remaining now.
Does anyone know when the update will be downloadable by UK customers?..
Downloaded and just installing now, in the UK. Guess the pipes are getting turned on as we speak.
Does anyone know if this firmware has been cracked and what the best most reliable way to do it is????
I can't dl it, anyone have a web link?
come om!!!!! $20!!!!!!!! and the people who buy the ipod next week get it for free...so the people who bought it at first they dont get any appreciation...man i hate that crap...it always happens...whe should get it for free and more..no one should buy it so they put it up for free....they just dont know how to make money...
This has to be a joke, paying for a firware?!?! :D
lol It's ridiculous........
I just want to know, will I lose my custom ringtones? I can't live without my CTU ringtone...
The $20 upgrade payment is NOT driven by Apple greed. They are required, by the latest software accounting rules, to charge for such upgrades. Yes, it's a grey area as to what counts as a bug-fix update (free) versus a real feature upgrade. Apple made the call in favor of upgrade. If they did NOT charge a fee, they would have to restate (i.e., lower) earnings for the last 2 quarters during which iPod touch models were shipping. This is not Apple's "fault". If Apple did not charge, they would be forced to recognize revenue on iPod Touch sales over some period of time during which they intend to develop and ship new such upgrades. It is driven by SEC, GAAP and IRS rules.
You are FOS. If what you're saying were true, and this upgrade "required" a fee of some sort, it would cost, at the most, 99 cents -- NOT 20 dollars.
This is Apple gambling. Expect a $20 iTunes credit for every iTouch owner any day now.
bet?
I have just created a petition that you may like to sign. Don't say petitions don't work as sometimes they do. Anyway its worth a try:
http://www.petitiononline.com/ipodapps/petition.html
Looks like the new apps are preinstalled on the iPod touch units on the Apple store. At least the new users don't have to pay extra.
Thank you! I'm off to the Apple Store.
I would have preferred a larger-capacity Touch, but this works just as well-- I've been dying to have a personal organizer for a long time, and this (coupled with the Feb SDK apps) is exactly why I was excited about the iPhone/iPT.
I really like this update, I finally took the Stocks app off of my home screen. Playing with google maps now.
Looks like this is the link for the IPSW download:
http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-4061.20080115.4Fvn7/iPhone1,1_1.1.3_4A93_Restore.ipsw
James I agree that "NEW" software should be purchased and or free that is up to the developer. But these applications are already available on the iPhone and the iTouch going forward! When I bought my Wii I got the Internat channel for free for being an earlier adopter while it now costs $5.00. This makes more sense to me. As an early adopter this should be provided free. Plus all I really care for is the Mail and maps! Everything else is just added space! Thank god for jailbreak!
@palehorse
I may be FOS, but that's my understanding from what I've heard from 3rd party sources. If you want to subscribe to a different POV that's your right. Apparently the regulations that apply here are http://www.nysscpa.org/cpajournal/2005/405/essentials/p38.htm; feel free to read that legal bumf however you want, but the accounting argument is the position that Apple took last time they did this, and one can only assume it's the 'excuse' they will use this time around. I have no axe to grind either way.
@newgalactic
I took offence at your 'BS reply' comment, so I guess we are square.
Im still waiting for bluetooth that supports stereo devices on my iphone. So that i can listen to my music wirelessly....
If I were to go to a brick and mortar Apple Store RIGHT NOW-- or, rather, in an hour or so-- and purchase an iPod Touch, would I have to pay for the upgrade or not? The way Steve put it ("built-in starting today"), I would think no, but then again I don't know for sure.
I'm still going, yes, but it would be nice to know up-front.
Disregard this: answered above.
is anyone have trouble connecting to the iphone server? it won't let me download the new firmware...and yes, i have itunes 7.6
come on...its twenty dollars. you can ask your mom for an allowance advance or go pickk up some bottles for the deposit if you can't go mow a lawn or something.
if this is a deal breaker for you why did you not buy your zume, prune, or other look alike?
apple sold you the best product at the time; things change; life goes on. they did not adopt you nor ask you to join the family- they just sold you a product. your public whining over a trivial sum is in my kindest word, childish.
Its the principal. $20 is not that much but they should putting any price tag on it. I have just paid £240 for one.
So now I have to tell my daughter who got a brand-new touch for Xmas that it's $20 for an upgrade three weeks after she opened her present? What a pantsload.
I still use way to many apps that a locked Ipod touch doesn't have. While 20 isn't much, its the principle of the idea. If it wasn't for people like myself, the early adopters, the ipod touch wouldn't be popular. So why screw over your customers even for a little amount? I just don't see the logic behind the decision. Oh well.
But I'll wait for the jail break on 1.1.3 and I'm sure by that time it won't cost $20.
Who knows.
Does anyone know what mail apps its using for the iPod Touch? Does it allow for yahoo mail like on the iPhone?
I can't believe the whining over $20. You iPod Touch owners keep saying you are paying for features the iPod "should have had when you bought it". This begs the question, why did you buy it if it didn't have feature you wanted or needed? Apple never promised additional features down the line. You have an opportunity to add features at a small cost. If you don't want those added capabilities don't upgrade. Geez, where is this sense of entitlement coming from? Oh, wait. I think I know. Sad.
Your argument, the same one that all the Apple zealots are repeating like a broken record is bullshit. These apps were running on Jailbroken ipods months ago. Let's take the Xbox 360 for example. I bought it 2 years ago expecting it to do nothing but play games. Now it sports iPod support, Divx support, HD movie rentals, Messenger, chat and all at the VERY fair price of free. Hell I'll even give Apple $1.99 for the goddamned thing but $20 is no less than daylight robbery and you know it. So don't hand that company-line bullshit about how "you knew what it did when you bought it." Just Shut the fuck up. My touch is 16 days older than the ones on store shelves today yet has less functionality at the same price. This is not a one year old product, it's 16 weeks old for Christ's sake. Now planned obsolescence is measured in weeks instead of years? Yeah, good luck with that. Think I'll just go back to stealing my music fair and square while I'm at it. Stop being oh so willing to take it in the ass from Apple.
Boy, there's a lot of hostility in you, Steve. Your iPod touch is not obsolete because of the update. How do you reason that? Does it no longer perform as it did when you bought it? The pace of technology today means that as soon as you pull the trigger on a purchase you are going to see newer products that out perform what you just bought. Get used to it. And don't bring up what's available on hacked hardware. The apps being offered for $20 are worth it if you need them. And your level of angst implies that you REALLY desire those apps, otherwise you wouldn't be so upset that a small hurdle has been placed before you.
Still no disk mode. /Sigh
Oh, and by disk mode, I meant manually managing music.
If I download 1.1.3 through itunes will they charge me the $20?
I for one will continue to run my hacked 1.1.1 version rather then update to this new firmware. I just cant wait for that SDK to go live with some official 3rd party apps... also I thought it was gay that I could not watch the keynote speach on my iphone! Page would load but link to play video in quicktime format had a circle with an x through it. Come on apple I would have expected this to work :(.
I don't remember this option, but after updating my iTunes, when I connect my iPhone it now shows an option to "Manually Manage Music and Videos". Was that there before?
Don't go selling your GPS just yet, the map location triangulation gives a fairly close location to your current position when your in the city but it is not very dependable outside the city. Apple is on the right track but far away from making the iphone a navigation device.
Quick one. About to buy an iPhone, living in Ireland (no iPhones released over here) ordering from the UK. This may sound really stupid but, if i order it online today, what are my chances of getting a 1.1.2. Or if I walk into an O2 store will Apple have pre-stocked them with 1.1.3's. Probably feck all chance of getting the 1.1.2 but just wondering. Cheers.
People are only willing to pay for what they are already used to paying for... what's the difference between this and Apple charging for upgrades to OSX? Software is software. Having said that, I personally think $20 is a bit steep, but just because Tivo doesn't charge for their firmware updates, that doesn't mean it makes good business sense for other companies.
I'm glad they're charging, which is to say, I'm glad they're not charging me. I don't want those apps, and think it's a great way to make it more a la carte -- people who want extra, can pay extra.
Otherwise, the feature-set of the current regular iPod Touch is (to me) a perfect grouping of features.