although i agree with a previous post that 10.5.2 will probably enable time machine to work with a normal networked drive connected to an airport, i still have something to say about this...
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH CONSUMERS THESE DAYS!?!
when you buy a product, you get what you paid for... that's it. if a company releases future updates to fix things for free, great, but when a NEW VERSION (as in hardware) of your product is released with new features, GOOD GOD STOP COMPLAINING. that's how technology works! welcome to the 21st century! (or hell, even the 20th century)
i'm not an Apple fanboy at all, in fact the only Apple products i own are an iPhone and iPod, but it's not hard to realize how stupid the argument is that apple should instantly upgrade everyone's hardware to the newest version because we happened to buy it before the new release.
ridiculous! can you imagine buying a 2007 model of a car right before the 2008 models come out, and then demanding that the car lot refund you or exchange your model for the newest? or even worse, SUING the car lot for not warning you of the 2008 release?
What the hell is wrong with is us that this is such a trivial piece of functionality that it really feels like Apple is trying to screw us when we just paid $150 for an AEBS 6 months ago. The fact that they were originally advertising exactly this as a feature of Leopard, only to pull it right before releasing a product that does exactly the same thing and costs $200+ makes it look like they intentionally dropped this feature as a way to try to wring more cash out of us. This feature is not rocket science, it's probably just as simple as adding the Airport Disk to the list of supported devices.
What I hope Apple with figure out is that I'm not going to pay $200+ to replace a perfectly good Airport Extreme just so I can make network backups. Even worse (for them), I've got no real incentive to upgrade the Macbooks in the house to Leopard now, since it seems like Time Machine is the only real compelling new feature here, so by pulling this, they're missing out on my upgrade dollars.
Yes, I hear what you're saying. But respectfully, regarding this issue - no.
I brought an Airport Exteme and USB disk for the wireless NAS functionality. Wired NAS/Wireless NAS - really, there shouldn't be a difference from an operating system and user perspective. That's the whole point! Why shouldn't it work as a Time Machine disk, network throughput issues being equal?
Is there honestly any significantly different hardware in the Time Capsule compared to an Exteme and attached disk? I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. And that's why I'm surprised as a relatively well-informed consumer when my existing hardware doesn't work with a much-touted feature for an operating system I've paid good money for.
You don't expect to have to buy a new printer with every OS release, for instance, right? The functionality comes from the OS, not the hardware.
Hopefully this'll get fixed, and per my earlier comment, there's always the hacks.
i suppose my comment was aimed more at consumerism in general that with this specific issue. as i said before, i would assume apple would "unlock" the NAS functionality with future updates (i think it would be suicide for them not to). but i guess my main point is, at launch when you buy a product, it does what the apple site/box says it's supposed to do... AT LAUNCH. there are plenty of products that change or have features removed/added before the final product. once again, it's just how technology works.
i can see how people think the original airport SHOULD have support NAS. the fact is, when it was released, it didn't, and that was made known for anyone who spent 30 seconds looking into it. (that's why i didn't buy the extreme when it came out)
Listen, Apple did not remove the feature. It is still listed in Apple's Radar issue and bug tracking system as open, which means it is being worked on and should be released in 10.5.2, if not then sometime soon thereafter.
Absolute drivel. The damned product was advertised as being the perfect way to backup using Time Machine and then it never happened. Worse, the product itself just doesn't work properly and they've never fixed it. We're currently up to firmware 7.2.1 and the unit still won't enable reliable access to a powered USB drive for transferring files of a reasonable size. I don't care if Apple releases new products that make mine obsolete as long as what I bought does what it says it should do. Now, is that too much to ask for?
EXACTLY. I paid a premium for a router that advertised supporting backups to an attached USB drive. Then, one day, without mention, they release an update that takes away that very important feature. This is NOT what I paid for.
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although i agree with a previous post that 10.5.2 will probably enable time machine to work with a normal networked drive connected to an airport, i still have something to say about this...
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH CONSUMERS THESE DAYS!?!
when you buy a product, you get what you paid for... that's it. if a company releases future updates to fix things for free, great, but when a NEW VERSION (as in hardware) of your product is released with new features, GOOD GOD STOP COMPLAINING. that's how technology works! welcome to the 21st century! (or hell, even the 20th century)
i'm not an Apple fanboy at all, in fact the only Apple products i own are an iPhone and iPod, but it's not hard to realize how stupid the argument is that apple should instantly upgrade everyone's hardware to the newest version because we happened to buy it before the new release.
ridiculous! can you imagine buying a 2007 model of a car right before the 2008 models come out, and then demanding that the car lot refund you or exchange your model for the newest? or even worse, SUING the car lot for not warning you of the 2008 release?
does no one else understand this?!
What the hell is wrong with is us that this is such a trivial piece of functionality that it really feels like Apple is trying to screw us when we just paid $150 for an AEBS 6 months ago. The fact that they were originally advertising exactly this as a feature of Leopard, only to pull it right before releasing a product that does exactly the same thing and costs $200+ makes it look like they intentionally dropped this feature as a way to try to wring more cash out of us. This feature is not rocket science, it's probably just as simple as adding the Airport Disk to the list of supported devices.
What I hope Apple with figure out is that I'm not going to pay $200+ to replace a perfectly good Airport Extreme just so I can make network backups. Even worse (for them), I've got no real incentive to upgrade the Macbooks in the house to Leopard now, since it seems like Time Machine is the only real compelling new feature here, so by pulling this, they're missing out on my upgrade dollars.
Yes, I hear what you're saying. But respectfully, regarding this issue - no.
I brought an Airport Exteme and USB disk for the wireless NAS functionality. Wired NAS/Wireless NAS - really, there shouldn't be a difference from an operating system and user perspective. That's the whole point! Why shouldn't it work as a Time Machine disk, network throughput issues being equal?
Is there honestly any significantly different hardware in the Time Capsule compared to an Exteme and attached disk? I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. And that's why I'm surprised as a relatively well-informed consumer when my existing hardware doesn't work with a much-touted feature for an operating system I've paid good money for.
You don't expect to have to buy a new printer with every OS release, for instance, right? The functionality comes from the OS, not the hardware.
Hopefully this'll get fixed, and per my earlier comment, there's always the hacks.
i suppose my comment was aimed more at consumerism in general that with this specific issue. as i said before, i would assume apple would "unlock" the NAS functionality with future updates (i think it would be suicide for them not to). but i guess my main point is, at launch when you buy a product, it does what the apple site/box says it's supposed to do... AT LAUNCH. there are plenty of products that change or have features removed/added before the final product. once again, it's just how technology works.
i can see how people think the original airport SHOULD have support NAS. the fact is, when it was released, it didn't, and that was made known for anyone who spent 30 seconds looking into it. (that's why i didn't buy the extreme when it came out)
@Max:
Listen, Apple did not remove the feature. It is still listed in Apple's Radar issue and bug tracking system as open, which means it is being worked on and should be released in 10.5.2, if not then sometime soon thereafter.
Thanks for your patience.
Absolute drivel. The damned product was advertised as being the perfect way to backup using Time Machine and then it never happened. Worse, the product itself just doesn't work properly and they've never fixed it. We're currently up to firmware 7.2.1 and the unit still won't enable reliable access to a powered USB drive for transferring files of a reasonable size. I don't care if Apple releases new products that make mine obsolete as long as what I bought does what it says it should do. Now, is that too much to ask for?
"You get what you paid for."
EXACTLY. I paid a premium for a router that advertised supporting backups to an attached USB drive. Then, one day, without mention, they release an update that takes away that very important feature. This is NOT what I paid for.