While BR is currently winning by a signficant amount, if Toshiba could convince the studios to only release HD DVDs with DTS MA and 1080p - I think the public might say - gee HD DVD is MUCH better. I don't think the public's reluctance to move to a new format is just about the format war - it is the content. So many movies on both are basically not significantly better transfers than the standard DVD copy. Yeah many of us (myself included) made the mistake of double dipping for the DTS version of a movie. Not again. I'm not buying another fu You can slap paint on a canvas but that doesn't make it art. You can whip out a shoddy transfer on HDDVD or BR DVD and it doesn't make it a better copy than standard DVD. Want to see the new formats take off? Try actually making all the transfers top quality the first time. You can still produce standard DVDs for those who dont' want the best quality possible and want to save 2 bucks but if you want HT enthusiasts to make the jump, give us a GOOD reason. DTS MA and Dolby HD is here, 1080p is here - wasn't that the point of the new formats? Why buy the new formats if they aren't better than standard DVD?
Frankly - I hope they both suffer marketing and financial losses until the studios stop doing crap transfers. When the studios stop trying to take advantage of us and try to get us to double dip - then for all I care both formats win - but until then, I hope the studios take a bath on movie releases.
PS I realize a few movies have been released DTS HD - but not a lot have been released DTS MA - they have the space why not just release really good movives. Instead they'll release crap transfers with "useful" extras like what the keygrip, gaffer and bestboy had for breakfast that day. I could care less about any commentary - I just want the BEST video and the BEST audio. Put all the other crap on a second disc or a "film geek version" I don't sit through the credits at the movie theatre - I sure have no interest in listening to some movie extra blab about what they thought of the filming of the movie. I don't begrudge those who do but don't slap it on my disc using up valuable space and try to tell me that is what I want - I want 1080p, I want lossless high quality audio. I'd prefer the theatrical and director's cut (got that on a couple of DVDs - I think that was GREAT). Any other extras are something I'll never bother to look at but I'm sure there were some kids in drama class in highschool who would like that other stuff so as long as it doesn't interfere with the best release go ahead and toss that in.
Bender - I'm not sure HD is dead - but I wouldn't exactly call BR alive either - both formats have been doing wretchedly in sales compared to DVD. When they start making higher definition movies with lossless audio tracks, then I think the war might actually begin - right now it is just DVD movies on a media that requires a new player. When they start releasing great transfers, then there will be something worth buying.
Please exclude yourself from the above poll if you buy your suits out of the discount bin at Kmart. Also please excuse yourself if your primary means of breathing is through your mouth.
boe, I think Dolby TrueHD would be a better format to use. It is more compatible. DTS-HD MA still can output the "core" 1.5Mbps, 5.1 channel DTS-compressed audio, but Dolby also has something like that. On the other hand, they should use DSD encoding, how about that, since the blu guys like to change standards as they go along.
Andyo - I'm happy with DTS- MA and Dolby HD. Both are excellent but for some reason I think they put more effort into the DTS transfer - just my opinion with nothing to back it up other than the movies I own so I can't say one way or another.
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boe @ Jan 21st 2008 2:12PM
While BR is currently winning by a signficant amount, if Toshiba could convince the studios to only release HD DVDs with DTS MA and 1080p - I think the public might say - gee HD DVD is MUCH better. I don't think the public's reluctance to move to a new format is just about the format war - it is the content. So many movies on both are basically not significantly better transfers than the standard DVD copy. Yeah many of us (myself included) made the mistake of double dipping for the DTS version of a movie.
Not again. I'm not buying another fu
You can slap paint on a canvas but that doesn't make it art. You can whip out a shoddy transfer on HDDVD or BR DVD and it doesn't make it a better copy than standard DVD.
Want to see the new formats take off? Try actually making all the transfers top quality the first time. You can still produce standard DVDs for those who dont' want the best quality possible and want to save 2 bucks but if you want HT enthusiasts to make the jump, give us a GOOD reason. DTS MA and Dolby HD is here, 1080p is here - wasn't that the point of the new formats? Why buy the new formats if they aren't better than standard DVD?
Frankly - I hope they both suffer marketing and financial losses until the studios stop doing crap transfers. When the studios stop trying to take advantage of us and try to get us to double dip - then for all I care both formats win - but until then, I hope the studios take a bath on movie releases.
PS I realize a few movies have been released DTS HD - but not a lot have been released DTS MA - they have the space why not just release really good movives. Instead they'll release crap transfers with "useful" extras like what the keygrip, gaffer and bestboy had for breakfast that day. I could care less about any commentary - I just want the BEST video and the BEST audio. Put all the other crap on a second disc or a "film geek version" I don't sit through the credits at the movie theatre - I sure have no interest in listening to some movie extra blab about what they thought of the filming of the movie. I don't begrudge those who do but don't slap it on my disc using up valuable space and try to tell me that is what I want - I want 1080p, I want lossless high quality audio. I'd prefer the theatrical and director's cut (got that on a couple of DVDs - I think that was GREAT). Any other extras are something I'll never bother to look at but I'm sure there were some kids in drama class in highschool who would like that other stuff so as long as it doesn't interfere with the best release go ahead and toss that in.
Bender Bending Rodriguez @ Jan 21st 2008 2:45PM
Dude! HD-DVD is dead. We even had the funeral two weeks ago. It was mummified in BetaMax magnetic tape and everything.
ViagraFiend @ Jan 21st 2008 2:50PM
*Runs to Xbox 360.
*Disconnects HD DVD drive
*Sticks fork in tray
*Cries
boe @ Jan 21st 2008 3:29PM
Bender - I'm not sure HD is dead - but I wouldn't exactly call BR alive either - both formats have been doing wretchedly in sales compared to DVD. When they start making higher definition movies with lossless audio tracks, then I think the war might actually begin - right now it is just DVD movies on a media that requires a new player. When they start releasing great transfers, then there will be something worth buying.
Galley @ Jan 21st 2008 3:25PM
Lossless audio and 1080p video on a 30GB disc? Yeah, good luck with that.
Karan @ Jan 21st 2008 4:14PM
hands-up who has heard of DTS MA other than the guy above.
Ok now keep your hands up if you have a speaker set up capable of making a difference between DTS HD and DTS MA.
Ok now keep your hands up if your ears can actually tell the difference in a typical movie scene (i.e. not a manufactured-just-for-DTS-MA-tech-demo).
How many hands still up?
boe @ Jan 21st 2008 4:35PM
Please exclude yourself from the above poll if you buy your suits out of the discount bin at Kmart. Also please excuse yourself if your primary means of breathing is through your mouth.
andyo @ Jan 21st 2008 5:17PM
boe, I think Dolby TrueHD would be a better format to use. It is more compatible. DTS-HD MA still can output the "core" 1.5Mbps, 5.1 channel DTS-compressed audio, but Dolby also has something like that. On the other hand, they should use DSD encoding, how about that, since the blu guys like to change standards as they go along.
boe @ Jan 21st 2008 6:20PM
Andyo - I'm happy with DTS- MA and Dolby HD. Both are excellent but for some reason I think they put more effort into the DTS transfer - just my opinion with nothing to back it up other than the movies I own so I can't say one way or another.