Mac OS X 10.5.2 update now said to be packing nearly 100 fixes

Last we heard, Apple had some 76 fixes in store for the now-imminent 10.5.2 update of Mac OS X, otherwise known as Leopard. Of course, that was more than a month ago, and Apple seems to have found plenty more room for improvement since then. According to AppleInsider, "people familiar with the software" are now saying that the update will pack "nearly 100 code corrections and enhancements," including twenty fixes that were turned up in the short time since Mac OS X 10.5.2 build 9C16 was released to developers during Macworld. All told, that should bring the latest update in just over the 450MB mark which, as AppleInsider points out, should make it the biggest "dot release" of Mac OS X yet.

[MikeyPizano @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:08AM]

Funny how no one notices the flaws in Apples stuff...

[Jon Niola @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:11AM]

Heh you obviously have not spent a lot of time around here since Leopard came out.

We Mac users have been rather vocal about the shortcomings in the new OS.

[mike @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:12AM]

I tend to ignore the Apple related news.

[Mike @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:15AM]

So then Mike you would be the one not noticing Apple's flaws?

[Mike @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:15AM]

So then Mike you would be the one not noticing Apple's flaws?

[mike @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:17AM]

Personally, I can care less as I am smart enough to buy products from other companys.

[soul7963 @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:24AM]

I agree that there are flaws with certain aspects of Leopard but, to me, the fact that they have released fixes relatively quickly compared to the lengthly process for Vista SP1 to appear, i am still much happier using it.

[mike @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:33AM]

I will agree there. Vista SP1 and XP SP3 are taking awhile...

[DonatoM3 @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:39AM]

Soul I don't know about Apple, but Microsoft releases updates once a week. SP1 is to Vista as Leopard itself is to OSX. Except Leopard costs you money where SP1 is free to us. 10.5.2 is to OSX as WEEKLY updates are to Vista.

BTW I dont' know what most people are talking about but my Vista X64 Ultimate runs much better than XP ran on my laptop.

[mike @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:41AM]

Its just the fanboys complaining. I have used Linux and I had way more problems then I ever did with XP.

[CraigJ @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:42AM]

As a Vista and Mac user, and as a software developer, I have to say that generally, bugs don't bother me much. I understand the process. The biggest problems I have with Vista aren't bugs, they are the numerous poorly designed features that leave me wondering what the hell Microsoft was thinking.

[Joe @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:55AM]

You care so little that you reply to this subject. I think it's more likely you enjoy provocation. I always wonder why everyone moans at Apple users as being vocal and smug. On the contrary, I always find it's the Windows users who strike the first blow.

[slug @ Jan 22nd 2008 12:00PM]

@mike

Look Ballmer!!! Keep your tounge in your mouth (you scare all the kids!)and p**s off!!

[mike @ Jan 22nd 2008 12:18PM]

Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers!

[soul7963 @ Jan 22nd 2008 12:31PM]

@ Donato - Apple also release regular updates for Securtiy and all Apple software via the Software updater which are more comparable to the Windows weekly / monthly updates. The service packs for XP and Vista, IMO, are very much the same as the 10.5.x updates due to the fact that they concentrate on larger more complex system wide issues as well as adding and removing features from the OS.

[Joe Anstine @ Jan 22nd 2008 1:20PM]

hey wait, I thought Apple products were perfect? I mean, PC Mag said that Mac's run Vista better and all those commercials...who would have thought that they have flaws too? Or maybe in fact that they make a product like everyone else and it is not perfect, never was, and never will be. I mean, an 11 year old wrote a virus for the iPhone. You know Jobs, your products are just as vulnerable and flawed as the next guys. Now, I know this is really surprising to some of you Apple fanboys so take a deep breathe after reading this post and do your little three fingered cloverleaf thingy when your Mac FREEZES.

[Kizorblade @ Jan 22nd 2008 1:24PM]

"I tend to ignore the Apple related news."

Ahuh. What did you think this article was about then? Cooking?

[Kizorblade @ Jan 22nd 2008 1:24PM]

"I tend to ignore the Apple related news."

Ahuh. What did you think this article was about then? Cooking?

[Juggernaut @ Jan 22nd 2008 1:31PM]

Yeah, I notice plenty of flaws, and point them out constantly to my fanboy friends. The fact that I like OS X Def Leppard a lot more than Tiger doesn't mean I'm blind to its problems.

Here's hoping VLC's seek bar will no longer be whited-out (maybe that's a VLC problem, but the newest 0.8.6.d didn't completely fix it).

[tadghostal @ Jan 22nd 2008 2:09PM]

It just works!

...once we fix these hundred things....we hope....

[Dale @ Jan 22nd 2008 8:33PM]

Smart enough to buy products elsewhere, but not smart enough to pluralise company correctly. CompanIEs, not companYs.

[Skeezle @ Jan 22nd 2008 2:20PM]

Hard not to notice the flaw in your avatar though!

[mike @ Jan 22nd 2008 5:50PM]

You know why PC users start you Apple users off? IT AMUSES US!

[EMoShunz @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:10AM]

airport extreme usb drive time machine usability fix?

maybe i missed it, but is there a link to the list of fixes? i still have issues with my 2 mini's by the keyboard not functioning coming off of sleep mode.

[bob @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:17AM]

"I tend to ignore the Apple related news."

yet you read and comment on even a trivial article. strange behavior.

[Kris @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:18AM]

Bob, good job replying to the wrong person. Idiot.

[EMoShunz @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:20AM]

oh, and another great thing would be to add this natively...i did it on my own, looks awesome, but i hate the console...
http://t.ecksdee.org/post/19001860

[EMoShunz @ Jan 23rd 2008 8:29AM]

totally not verified, but the time machine over airport extreme may be fixed in 10.5.2

http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/01/22/10-5-2-to-add-remote-backup-translucent-menubar-option

[fashionista @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:12AM]

But I thought it "just worked"? What could possibly need fixing?

[System48 @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:17AM]

They're not fixes, think of it as 100 new "features" to go along with the 300 new features of Leoptard.

[mongoos150 @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:18AM]

*Groan*

[riggs @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:52AM]

that sounded better in your head right?

[KC @ Jan 22nd 2008 1:09PM]

@system48, if those are "added features", then you would expect to pay at least $5 for the "features", just to be SOX compliant.

[Chris @ Jan 22nd 2008 2:11PM]

Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature!

[Darak @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:13AM]

I'm not trying to begin the inevitable flame war here, but shouldn't Apple...you know...release these fixes if they already have them? If there are 100 fixes that means at least 100 problems, be they security, performance, or whatever. I'm not quite sure what the point of holding onto a pack of fixes is if you already have them. I'll take small immediate releases of fixes over a "largest ever" pack of them anyday.

[mike @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:14AM]

No, this is so they can charge you 20 dollars for the update.

[slug @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:38AM]

Still cheaper then vista...

[mike @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:42AM]

@slug

Vista is a whole OS, not an update to fix flaws.

[Gene @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:43AM]

Quality and Assurance. They are testing the fixes. If they didn't and just pushed them out for everyone to use they would most likely cause more problems than they'd fix.

[slug @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:48AM]

I ment on top of the total os. HAHA im not that stupid.

[riggs @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:55AM]

you sure?

[Darak @ Jan 22nd 2008 12:00PM]

I understand testing the fixes, but it seems that most of them have
been given the okay by the testers from what the article says.

Slug - while it may be cheaper than a Windows OS, the fact of
charging for a bug fix seems a tad bit of a letdown to me. If there's
a problem with your code that has left some holes or some performance
issues, its your responsibility to fix it. Furthermore, if there are
security holes and in the time between the knowledge of the fix and
the release of the fix, someone's computer is attacked and they lose
data or have critical information stolen, it can cost more than just
cash. As an added bonus, the most common form of Windows (IMO) is the
upgrade version, which is priced comparatively to Leopard before you
factor in these "dot releases."

[slug @ Jan 22nd 2008 12:04PM]

@ Darak.

Apple aren't actually charging for the update. It was a pathetic joke from Mike.

[Borik @ Jan 22nd 2008 12:35PM]

@slug

what do you call "Leopard"?

[slug @ Jan 22nd 2008 12:42PM]

@Borik

Is that a trick question?

[slug @ Jan 22nd 2008 12:42PM]

@Borik

Is that a trick question?

[joeyjoejoe @ Jan 22nd 2008 8:25PM]

@Slug

I never reply, but you're spewing idiocy.

What do you call leopard? A new OS. Think of "OS 10.x.x" just like the moniker "Windows". Leopard is a New OS, as is Vista. Microsoft doesn't give Vista away, just as Apple will charge for Leopard. This update, however, just like any SP update for windows, is free, assuming you have the OS that corresponds, in this case,

Leopard---> 10.5.2update
Vista----> SP1

Its really not complicated

[Hung @ Jan 22nd 2008 9:07PM]

This thread contains so many fails.

Good grief, Charlie Brown!

[STUD HUNK @ Jan 22nd 2008 11:14AM]

The greater degree of complexity and the constant competitiveness. We may begin to see many scenerios like this with both Apple and Microsoft in the upcoming decade

[Martin @ Jan 22nd 2008 1:24PM]

But not smart enough to spell companies?