Mac OS X 10.5.2 update now said to be packing nearly 100 fixes
By Donald Melanson 
posted January 22nd 2008 11:03AM
posted January 22nd 2008 11:03AM
Last we heard, Apple had some 76 fixes in store for the now-imminent 10.5.2 update of Mac OS X, otherwise known as Leopard. Of course, that was more than a month ago, and Apple seems to have found plenty more room for improvement since then. According to AppleInsider, "people familiar with the software" are now saying that the update will pack "nearly 100 code corrections and enhancements," including twenty fixes that were turned up in the short time since Mac OS X 10.5.2 build 9C16 was released to developers during Macworld. All told, that should bring the latest update in just over the 450MB mark which, as AppleInsider points out, should make it the biggest "dot release" of Mac OS X yet.
i've used XP, a lot of Linux and now Leopard.
With all of them i had to "invoke" angels and saints to get things working, with all of them! With different aspects from installing new software, compiling kernel modules and new services. So i'm day by day more convinced that it's not in the bugs or problems that you can compare something to something else (of course this is true to a certain extent, if a system is quite often crashing it's not so good). I think that it's when things are going good, working in their right way, that you can compare one system to another.
An when Mac Os X is working is simply the most advanced and beautiful system in the world. The experience you feel is just better. A lot better.
I think that it's almost the same in other aspects of life, in relations with people. But of course this is just my opinion !
Max
mike says hes smart enough to buy different companies products, but then makes his user icon the windows symbol. Ok, hypocrite. You're just as far gone for microsoft as anyone else on here is for Apple.
All that and no word on an updated release?! I'm getting super SICK of these bugs! How much longer is this going to take?! As a long time daily user of both OS's I'd have to side with jtc970. The Lincoln Logs metaphor is a surprisingly accurate description of both OS's. You know what though? They BOTH suck! and who the hell can productively use linux for anything cept code? Theres things missing from each OS and theres things I like about each OS that the other doesn't have. For instance: New Folder Shortcut: great on mac... none on a PC?! Vista can edit mp3 ID3 tags right from your windows explorer. Not on a mac...I can connect USB drives and rip them out with ease in Windows. OSX not so, most of the time they don't even mount. We won't even get into network issues cause thats just mean. Obviously the PC wins there. And for real, we still don't have tabbed explorer windows in either OS??!?! not to mention some dual monitor support!
HOLY SHIT ITS HERE!!!
Just fell across this little battle.
Mike, you have to be THE single most boring person alive . . . and your spelling is awful . . . and you don't seem to use much punctuation.
Apart from that - I'm sure you're lovely.
Funny how no one notices the flaws in Apples stuff...
Heh you obviously have not spent a lot of time around here since Leopard came out.
We Mac users have been rather vocal about the shortcomings in the new OS.
I tend to ignore the Apple related news.
So then Mike you would be the one not noticing Apple's flaws?
So then Mike you would be the one not noticing Apple's flaws?
Personally, I can care less as I am smart enough to buy products from other companys.
I agree that there are flaws with certain aspects of Leopard but, to me, the fact that they have released fixes relatively quickly compared to the lengthly process for Vista SP1 to appear, i am still much happier using it.
I will agree there. Vista SP1 and XP SP3 are taking awhile...
Soul I don't know about Apple, but Microsoft releases updates once a week. SP1 is to Vista as Leopard itself is to OSX. Except Leopard costs you money where SP1 is free to us. 10.5.2 is to OSX as WEEKLY updates are to Vista.
BTW I dont' know what most people are talking about but my Vista X64 Ultimate runs much better than XP ran on my laptop.
Its just the fanboys complaining. I have used Linux and I had way more problems then I ever did with XP.
As a Vista and Mac user, and as a software developer, I have to say that generally, bugs don't bother me much. I understand the process. The biggest problems I have with Vista aren't bugs, they are the numerous poorly designed features that leave me wondering what the hell Microsoft was thinking.
You care so little that you reply to this subject. I think it's more likely you enjoy provocation. I always wonder why everyone moans at Apple users as being vocal and smug. On the contrary, I always find it's the Windows users who strike the first blow.
@mike
Look Ballmer!!! Keep your tounge in your mouth (you scare all the kids!)and p**s off!!
Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers!
@ Donato - Apple also release regular updates for Securtiy and all Apple software via the Software updater which are more comparable to the Windows weekly / monthly updates. The service packs for XP and Vista, IMO, are very much the same as the 10.5.x updates due to the fact that they concentrate on larger more complex system wide issues as well as adding and removing features from the OS.
hey wait, I thought Apple products were perfect? I mean, PC Mag said that Mac's run Vista better and all those commercials...who would have thought that they have flaws too? Or maybe in fact that they make a product like everyone else and it is not perfect, never was, and never will be. I mean, an 11 year old wrote a virus for the iPhone. You know Jobs, your products are just as vulnerable and flawed as the next guys. Now, I know this is really surprising to some of you Apple fanboys so take a deep breathe after reading this post and do your little three fingered cloverleaf thingy when your Mac FREEZES.
"I tend to ignore the Apple related news."
Ahuh. What did you think this article was about then? Cooking?
"I tend to ignore the Apple related news."
Ahuh. What did you think this article was about then? Cooking?
Yeah, I notice plenty of flaws, and point them out constantly to my fanboy friends. The fact that I like OS X Def Leppard a lot more than Tiger doesn't mean I'm blind to its problems.
Here's hoping VLC's seek bar will no longer be whited-out (maybe that's a VLC problem, but the newest 0.8.6.d didn't completely fix it).
It just works!
...once we fix these hundred things....we hope....
Smart enough to buy products elsewhere, but not smart enough to pluralise company correctly. CompanIEs, not companYs.
Hard not to notice the flaw in your avatar though!
You know why PC users start you Apple users off? IT AMUSES US!
airport extreme usb drive time machine usability fix?
maybe i missed it, but is there a link to the list of fixes? i still have issues with my 2 mini's by the keyboard not functioning coming off of sleep mode.
"I tend to ignore the Apple related news."
yet you read and comment on even a trivial article. strange behavior.
Bob, good job replying to the wrong person. Idiot.
oh, and another great thing would be to add this natively...i did it on my own, looks awesome, but i hate the console...
http://t.ecksdee.org/post/19001860
totally not verified, but the time machine over airport extreme may be fixed in 10.5.2
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/01/22/10-5-2-to-add-remote-backup-translucent-menubar-option
I'm not trying to begin the inevitable flame war here, but shouldn't Apple...you know...release these fixes if they already have them? If there are 100 fixes that means at least 100 problems, be they security, performance, or whatever. I'm not quite sure what the point of holding onto a pack of fixes is if you already have them. I'll take small immediate releases of fixes over a "largest ever" pack of them anyday.
No, this is so they can charge you 20 dollars for the update.
Still cheaper then vista...
@slug
Vista is a whole OS, not an update to fix flaws.
Quality and Assurance. They are testing the fixes. If they didn't and just pushed them out for everyone to use they would most likely cause more problems than they'd fix.
I ment on top of the total os. HAHA im not that stupid.
you sure?
I understand testing the fixes, but it seems that most of them have
been given the okay by the testers from what the article says.
Slug - while it may be cheaper than a Windows OS, the fact of
charging for a bug fix seems a tad bit of a letdown to me. If there's
a problem with your code that has left some holes or some performance
issues, its your responsibility to fix it. Furthermore, if there are
security holes and in the time between the knowledge of the fix and
the release of the fix, someone's computer is attacked and they lose
data or have critical information stolen, it can cost more than just
cash. As an added bonus, the most common form of Windows (IMO) is the
upgrade version, which is priced comparatively to Leopard before you
factor in these "dot releases."
@ Darak.
Apple aren't actually charging for the update. It was a pathetic joke from Mike.
@slug
what do you call "Leopard"?
@Borik
Is that a trick question?
@Borik
Is that a trick question?
@Slug
I never reply, but you're spewing idiocy.
What do you call leopard? A new OS. Think of "OS 10.x.x" just like the moniker "Windows". Leopard is a New OS, as is Vista. Microsoft doesn't give Vista away, just as Apple will charge for Leopard. This update, however, just like any SP update for windows, is free, assuming you have the OS that corresponds, in this case,
Leopard---> 10.5.2update
Vista----> SP1
Its really not complicated
This thread contains so many fails.
Good grief, Charlie Brown!
But I thought it "just worked"? What could possibly need fixing?
They're not fixes, think of it as 100 new "features" to go along with the 300 new features of Leoptard.
*Groan*