No wonder Sony Ericsson's XPERIA X1 is so good: HTC makes it
By Ryan Block 
posted Feb 10th 2008 10:18PM
posted Feb 10th 2008 10:18PM
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go figure is all I have to say
Wow, this really is one of those moments where you just sit back and say "oh."
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I am suddenly much less excited...though still very excited, phone sounds awesome, still...*prays for drivers*
I don't really get any of the sentiment in this reply or the OP. Sony's phone hardware has always been pleasing to the eye.
What I can't believe is that HTC came out with something so nice and curvy; the rest of their handhelds look like generic bricks.
Where's Engadget getting this from? There's no reliable read link or anything.
Is this just another one of those 'rumors' that Engadget likes to post up every so often?
I hope not. I love WinMo.
SE would have designed it and will be in control of QC so quit the pathetic taunts.
And so what if SE are using another manufacturer for this model? Every single Apple product in existence is made by another company (no-one complained about iPods being made by ten year old Chinese kids....). Apple don't own a single manufacturing plant.
Just another excuse to pile the hate on Sony.
I myself have a link that engadget could use as a read link:http://mobilephoneonline.blog.co.uk/2007/09/21/sony_ericsson_moves_to_windows_mobile_wi~3015713
I hope i can use my T-mobile sim in it...cause if I can....EBAY!!!
You will be able to. It will even use the upcoming 3G from T-Mo.
Why sell it on Ebay?
won't be selling...but buying :) I dont talk too much so I use pre-paid phones...currently im using a pre paid t-mobile
youre on prepaid & don't talk a whole lot yet you are going to spend $700+ on a phone on ebay because it "looks cool"? you sound more like an iphone user...
@aaron:
Wait wait. T-mobile is rolling out 3G? WTF?? Please say you are right...
@ danny
Yes, welcome back.
Oh good, now the keyboard will be shitty and unresponsive.
I think you would be more worried about the camera.
Dont forget about missing video drivers!
SE will be in charge of quality control, morons. It's their product. You know, just like Apple are in charge of quality control for the ten year old Chinese kids who make the iPhones in anonymous state-owned "factories".
This made me more excited, I love HTC.
This bodes well for the graphics drivers :rolleyes:
what would be REALLY ironic is when we find out that the exact same Qualcomm MSM7500 chips in the Touch Cruise are in this, except these magically DONT have disabled drivers...honestly if this turns out to be the case HTC can burn in hell.
And up next, lets bitch about the iPod not providing drivers to utilize the WMA decoding that is provided on their chipset! Do you even own any of the phones with the chipset or are you just jumping on the "Bitch about it because we can" wagon? How about you go look up the battery life of the TyTN II and Touch Cruise; notice that they suck balls. Now go and look up the power draw of the ATI Imageon. Its average power draw is much greater than the average power draw simply doing all of the graphics in software (by average I mean painting the home screen and most apps, rather than media or game playback). When the devices are actually used for video playback I suspect the battery dries up quicker than the macbook air's.
Gasp! It isn't cut and dry. HTC may have actually been weighing tradeoffs and tried to provide an optimal solution for the most amount of customers. This is a company that continually provides free upgrades to new version of WM, even on some of their older handsets, which is something almost no other WM OEM does (samsung, moto, etc only do so very sporadically). They seem to be committed to actually supporting their customers, so one could hypothesize based off of their past behavior that they may be holding off on the drivers for a reason other than just laziness.
That makes me want it less. HTC doesn't have that great of a track record in regards to build quality.
It still isn't CDMA, though, so I won't be getting one anyway.
:(
Hmmm I will have to disagree with you. I have had a few HTC built phones and the build quality was fine.
I agree with you. HTC is all bells and whistles, but shoddy quality. I've had three. First was an Audiovox, before anyone even knew what HTC was. Battery sucked, and WM Smartphone edition 2003 was a joke. 2nd was an HTC Wizard (Cingular 8125). Touchscreen would die occasionally (a very common and known issue with that model). And although I should have learned my lesson, I went ga-ga over the first 3G PDA-Phone for the us, the the 8525. The blutooth radio would turn itself off constantly for no reason. This was a known issue that lasted over a year before they finally fixed it with the WM6 firmware update. Just a few weeks ago, the LCD stopped working and now only displays garbage (probably stress on the ribbon cable from repeated use of the slider).
These were not inexpensive phones. Far from it. I paid top dollar. The 8525 cost me $650.00 because I was already on a contract with Cingular. People should understand these products are not rugged at all.
I'm not an iPhone owner or Apple fan or anything like that. But if a 3G iPhone comes out soon, that will be my next purchase.
Wow, my T-Mobile Wing has been rock solid, aside from the crappy camera.
Crap phone made by third rate company. HTC is sinking.
how do you know its a crap phone?
He's a psychic.
I got money on he's a IPhone owner.
Actually I am a Tilt owner.
Actually he's a Tilt owner.
makes you and your comment seem even more idiotic.
Well if it takes for them as long to get this thing out to the market as it takes HTC Shift to propagate...
then who cares.
XPERIA + ANDROID = SOLD
Ok, just honestly wondering, but:
What would Android provide that my WinMo phone couldn't provide?
I'm tired of hearing some users cry "Does this come equipped with Android?" in a lot of phone posts.
As far as I can figure out, the only thing worth noting is that it's free. But aside from that (not sure how much WinMo cost on its own), I can pretty much do exactly the same thing on my phone. There's tons of add-ons and ways to extend your WinMo phone. It's very versatile, and it syncs up computer files pretty good for the most part.
So what's with all the Android-love going on here?
@michael: how about more than 65k colours?
With a screen like that, it deserves better than just 16-bit support.
"So what's with all the android love going on here?"
...
Why am I suddenly reminded of Futurama?
Electro Gonorrhea: The Noisy Killer
Couldn't agree more. I am cautiously hopefull since HTC is a member of Google's Open Handset Alliance.
it is not a hanful of samples, but rather an inexpensive (well somewhat reasonable) device that can be mass produced. HTC is knows to have this things done right but totally stumbled on the Shift, hopefully they can get back on track.
I'd like to know what processor it'll be using. I'm quite content with the speed of my Kaiser, although I give credit for it's speed to custom windows mobile builds and tweaks....the original windows mobile that came with it was a bit slow. I'm hoping this one will have the newest processor available, and that its just not a pretty skin over Windows Mobile 6.1, but a full blown improved UI.
And with the proper VIDEO DRIVERS this time?
i would want that if it was for anyone EXCEPT tmobile
cdma would be even better
CDMA would suck. Does Sony Ericsson even make CDMA phones anymore? I think they discontinued making CDMA phones for the North American market.
I hope that [b]S[/b].[b]E[/b].[b]X[/b] is not using the same MSM7200 or MSM7500 chipsets from Qualcomm which HTC failed to provide an appropriate driver resulting in poor video playback, games, taking pictures, etc...
[url]http://htcclassaction.org/[/url]
I hope that S.E.X is not using the same MSM7200 or MSM7500 chipsets from Qualcomm which HTC failed to provide an appropriate driver resulting in poor video playback, games, taking pictures, etc...
http://htcclassaction.org/
p/s: sorry for the "[" & "]"
Question now is, will I trust them this time given their drivers debacle?
Vindictive side says "no way, let them lose your money"
Geeky side says "Ohhhhh! gimme gimme gimme!"
Retrospective side says "oh shit, HTC jipped me again!"
Sony Ericsson probably knows next to nothing about Windows Mobile.
Lets get things streight, the reason this is not CDMA is because USA is Sony's second of third market. Having a GSM phone meains that they can sell the phone to about 86% of global mobile phone users (source: http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/02/06/3253928.htm)
Yeah, HTC has had some pretty bad press lately but there's a reason they have been the top WM OEM for years. I have owned HTC phones for the past 4 years and i can tell you that their build quality if a lot better than the nokia and motorola phones I have owned. And just because they have not released the video drivers for the past few phones does not mean they will be doing the same for this Sony device. Sony has a reputation that they want to keep up and I can assure you that this WM device will be quite nice.
HTC build quality better than Nokia? Are you kidding? I'm no fanboy of either as I still have an old Treo, but after I played with an N95 and N800 and every HTC model I have to call BS on that.
Sam, you are right on the money. Anyone who praises HTC for build quality is smoking crack.
It'll be using a 520 MHz processor according to a PC Mag article.
Just hope that:
1) That keyboard actually works.
2) GRAPHICS drivers are on there. Hell who knows what HTC meant that they'll start putting them in eventually.
3) The camera works.
4) Bluetooth doesn't drop out randomly.
5) Battery life is good.
That covers the 4 main concerns I have with an HTC-made device. Build quality should be excellent, as HTC's sliders have been of great build quality lately. But the Mogul, other Qualcomm-powered devices, and Shadow have me concerned in those five areas.
Don't you get how the industry works? If this is true, SE own this product and will be in charge of design and quality control! Do you really think that every piece of electronics you own is made by the company whose logo appears on the front? For instance, did you know that Apple do not manufacturer a single product? Everything you buy with an Apple product is made by some other company - some you've heard of, others you haven't.
This truly looks promising, though I have yet to use it myself to see if this supposed merging of technologies was great. I am still waiting for the rumored PSP phone though...
http://www.autopartsplace.com/gadget-rumors-2008.htm > I say that the Xperia was an unexpected surprise for gadget lovers for this year.
the keyboard looks an awful lot like of a CR Vaio, only smaller.
I don't care that HTC is only the ODM on this one and SE is the retailer.
The bottom line is HTC is going to profit on these units when they are sold. I can't BELIEVE ANY OF YOU HTC OWNERS WOULD EVER BUY ANOTHER DEVICE FROM THESE CROOKS. Don't tell me that just because this looks like a nice phone that you are going buy it despite HTC ***** in you in the **** on the video drivers of nearly all their current models.
PHUCK HTC! ALL current HTC owners SHOULD BOYCOTT ALL PRODUCTS - OEM AND OTHERWISE - of that stupid company until they fix the driver situation.
Anything less is a terrible dis-service to your fellow smartphone enthusiasts and all cellphone consumers for letting the company know they can bend you over and you'll take it without protest!!!!!
I never bought an HTC phone expecting any kind of special video drivers so I never got in a tizzy when they weren't there. The fact of the matter is HTC still makes the ultimate mobile devices even if they don't include 3D acceleration. Get over yourself.
Wow...caps cruise control not needed, probably haven't even owned a HTC device first off, and second off I don't think I got shafted buying a HTC phone. I have the "cingular 8125" it's nice and does all it can for being slightly outdated.
*note: I have noticed a slight issue with the keyboard, but it hasn't failed a majority of the time yet
Dude, what is the big deal about the damned video drivers? I have one of the phones that is missing the drivers, and I'm not as upset by it as you are. When I looked at my phone, it was pretty clear that the Mogul (unlike the Advantage) didn't have dedicated video acceleration. If you want an HTC with video acceleration, they make them, so instead of yelling and screaming about not getting drivers that were never promised, why don't you just get one of the units that DOES have video acceleration?
geez man, calm down.
you didn't pay for the license to use the video acceleration, and htc can't sell it per user, they would have to have bought the license for all phones.
htc didn't advertise it, so how can you be THAT angry?
this is no different from having a credit card that COULD have a $500,000 limit, but you are only allowed $2,000. do you get angry at the bank? no!
unless you can show me where htc advertised the ati hardware video acceleration, then i have to say that you are COMPLETELY unjustified to spread hate on a company that manufactures, comparatively, fantastic phones.
Engadget, please stop reminding me that I don't own this phone yet.
It will probably be the reason I finally drop Sprint. Unless they get a CDMA version out.
I second that Sprint statement.
I also concur with that! Ugh...forget these shitty Sprint phones that have problems up the wazoo...having to call every month to fix a bill. I'm out, ASAP.
htc great devices, zero support for driverrs or updates for my htc advantage
Hey I have had my 8525/tytn/hermes built by HTC for over a year now and honestly if the quality is anything like my current phone then I am in for barring a good android platform coming out... as for HTC supports on things they dont claim in the specs yeah my phone technically has a built in GPS chip look it up... But they didnt list it in the specs so therefore I am not upset that i can't use it... the community made an effort to unlock the potential but was deemed too difficult and not worth it. maybe the same will happen with the video but since you bought the device and the specs didnt list that you are not entitled to it... If the community comes up with a driver great extra features for free otherwise you got what you paid for, live with it.
Well, stop bashing the XPERIA coz it's coming from HTC. Since it's a SE device, it is designed by SE and will have SE quality. Nobody complaigned about iPhone being built at some chinese factory nobody knows about?
1) This is a rumor
2) Even if it WAS built by HTC, Sony is the one in charge of quality assurance. If it sucks ass, they won't let it release.
SE in charge of quality assurance? That's not a good thing going on their previous track record...
Figures...... 65k color screen :|
That's because of WM's 16-bit limitation.
uhm.. SE doesn't design any of the hardware for their mobiles afaik. They buy (most of) the hardware platforms from Ericsson Mobile Platforms and then they just add their fancy design on top of that.
HTC? LOL 65K color screen? Whats the pixel density? The higher the density the sharper the image details when displayed on such small screens.
It's a 3" WVGA (800x480) screen, do the math.
Whats all this talk about HTC video issues?i keep seeing all these new stories about "video drivers". I never rely on the stock stuff. My Touch plays videos just fine and everything is all snazzy. WinMo is the blank slate upon which you can do so much, thats why i like it.
And also with a HTC designed alternative showing interface with no use!! Remember this fact: it's only a cell-phone in WM!! So that's the same as all the other WM-phones~~~ What the demo video shows was only the toy-like alternative showing interface that moved a little, but then? For any more? No, boys and girls, that's only for joy with no use! Still the word: merely a normal WM-phone!!
All I can say about HTC and their lack of video drivers is...
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
HEY! That was my line! =P
HTC rules, and I will make sweet love to this phone.
GOOD & HTC MAKES
Thats an oxymoron right there
I doubt that HTC does make it though... look at it, it looks sexy
HTC wouldn't know sexy if the CEO googled it
HTC-built, Sony-Ericsson-designed/engineered.
I really really doubt HTC could design something like this.
How about an article telling us who makes all the Apple stuff?
You know, because Apple doesn't own a single factory or manufacturing plant. EVERYTHING Apple is made by other companies.
Christ the Sony hate really shines through, don't it?
For everyone moaning that maybe HTC won't provide the video drivers: ask yourself one question. Does the video performance *look* slow on teir demo website?
http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/?lc=en&cc=GB
i dont understand where the HTC hate is coming from, just a couple of months ago people were willing to give HTC fellatio...
That can happen when a company screws it's most loyal customers.
@lain
I asked for pixel density, not resolution. That's how many pixel per inch. The iPhone/Touch has 163ppi. Thus resulting is a very very sharp image. Geez.
The screen is 3" wide with a resolution of 800 pixels wide by 480 pixels tall (800x480). Take the 800 pixels wide and divide it by the 3" wide to get 266.67 pixels per inch (PPI).
@Jubei I think Iain was giving you the numbers to work it hence "do the math".
@Matrinix Your sums seem a little strange I get more like 311ppi
I'm pretty sure I'm right...
I didn't check, but it seems like you are assuming 3" is the diagonal size... but the specs specifically say its 3" wide (width).
Thanks for the heads up Engadget! I was thinking about making this my next phone until I found out it's a rebadged HTC product. No GDI drivers for the Tilt = never again will I buy an HTC product.
I don't trust Sony and their proprietary stuff, so I was already wary of this otherwise drool-worthy product. I'm also a Tilt owner so I don't have any burning desire to give HTC more of my money, though I can see that they won't have that kind of control over this product. The combination of Sony and HTC has kind of diluted my interest in this device for the moment.
HTC where is my mogul gps / evdo rev A. rom!!!!
I kinda have to disagree with you Sean. I also had an Audiovox; in fact I've had it for over 2 years now. Even though HTC was in its infancy then, the 5600 was the most solid WinMo smartphone on the
market when it came out. Sure Windows Mobile 2003 was a tad clunky but my Audiovox did a lot more than I had expected, I even played my music and even some movies on there and never had problems with the battery (I went for entire weekends without charging it sometimes). So no, I would not say HTC makes the best phones on the market but calling them shoddy is a bit too much. Their phones (for all their faults) are highly customizable and can last a very long time. Ironically enough I stopped using mine yesterday when I got my iPhone but not before considering several HTC handsets first.
I wondered why it has a MicroSD slot instead of SE's M2 (Memory Stick Micro) usual standard...
Looks awesome :)
It doesn't have MicroSD. Read Sony's website.
My mistake...
Usually they say 'Memory Stick Micro(M2) Support' rather than naming Sandisk. Plus Engadget's original post did say MicroSD
What a great combination of hardware makers. Sony: their iTunes killer is Sonic Stage and ATRAC3. HTC: makers of most WinMob phones, but can't get out a MSM7200 video driver to save their life.
Oh now I'm worried. I was happy when I thought it was microSD :-( Sony Ericsson's own press release said microSD and pdadb.net says microsSDHC.... http://x.msmobiles.com/portal/images/events/mobile-world-congress-2008/Sony-Ericsson-Xperia.pdf
oh well :-(
Gizmodo UK news article also says MicroSD...
I'm sure this is a turn for the best in Memory Card standardisation :)
Link
Link - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/gizmodo/Uk/~3/234243578/sony_ericsson_xperia_x1_window.html
I AM SO TIRED OF STUPID PEOPLE SAYING "STOP WHINING ABOUT DRIVERS YOU WERE NEVER PROMISED." I have 2 ATT Tilts which are missing the video drivers. Aside from HTC press release anouncing there partnership with QUALCOMM and going on about their dual core processors and "enriched multimedia experience, I seen more on the box at my time of purchase. On the side of the Tilt Box it says,"Device Specifications:" 6 bulleted items define various cool things and the seventh which is truely breath taking or was I should say, Lists -QUALCOMM Dual Core 400Mhz Processor. Now, I don't know what kind of crack the people who think the drivers is no big deal are smoking but, IT MUST BE GOOD. In reading this on the box, I would expect both cores of a Dual Core processor to work. HUMMMMM, But what do I know, Im not on crack. Do you buy a laptop or desktop with only one core working. Come on people go to rehab if its to hard for you to understand falsification in advertising. GOTO college and study business but stop smashing peoples opinions just because you don't get it. F--K HI Tech Computer Corporation (HTC).