Microsoft lowered Vista requirements to help Intel sell incompatible chipsets
By Nilay Patel 
posted Feb 28th 2008 12:13PM
posted Feb 28th 2008 12:13PM
So now that the "Vista Capable" lawsuit is a full-blown class action, the judge has unsealed all 158 pages of emails between Microsoft execs trying to sort out what went wrong with the sticker program. While bits and pieces have been blacked out, what remains is still fairly incredible -- although Intel's 915 chipset was initially rejected as incompatible with Vista, MS execs flatly admit that "In the end, we lowered the requirements to help Intel make their quarterly earnings so they could continue to sell motherboards with the 915 graphics embedded" and "We are caving to Intel. We worked the last 18 months to drive the UI experience and we are giving this up." On top of that, it seems that the company was getting direct feedback from retailers that the stickers were confusing, with Wal-Mart appealing directly to HP to pull Vista Capable stickers from low end machines, and an MS exec saying that "I was in Best Buy listening to people and can tell you this did not come clear to customers. We set ourselves up." That's pretty damning, if you ask us -- and the complete emails, linked below, are full of similar bombshells. Looks like this case may have some serious legs after all.Disclaimer: Nilay's a lawyer, but he's not your lawyer, and none of this is legal advice or analysis.
Read - Seattle Post-Intelligencer coverage of the case
Read - PDF of all the emails
"Disclaimer: Nilay's a lawyer, but he's not your lawyer, and none of this is legal advice or analysis."
Is this going to be the standard suffix for all of Nilay's posts now?
He puts disclaimers like that on all his posts about legal issues. He's had a few different ones he's used.
Lawyers have a legal obligation to disclose that they are lawyers. Also, if someone used one of his writings as legal advice and it went south - that person could hold the lawyer liable. Unless, he puts a disclaimer saying that he is not anyones lawyer and the post isn't to be used as legal advice.
We live in an overly litigious world - Even coffee needs a warning label. Actually, its kind of pathetic how bad its gotten.
I know, I know. Engadget should take all the steps they can to defend themselves. I just don't see people using content from a gadget news website as legally defensible material in their courtroom arguments.
It's not Engadget on the line here, it's me personally -- if some investor makes a decision that goes bad based on my judgment, they could potentially sue because I do respond to people personally in comments like this. It's unlikely, but I'd rather not risk my career over a short disclaimer. Unless you're willing to pay my malpractice insurance?
(Now get back on topic!)
Nilay, yes, I am willing to pay your malpractice insurance.
*DISCLAIMER*
the posts made by Ray-- on this site are his opinion only and are in no way binding on him ever especially when it comes to paying money.
Ever since a certain Apple product post was made and the effect it had, I think Engadget is justified in covering their ass in any way they feel the need to. The world is watching.
nilay's a hot chick sounding name...
@Mike, some people are just THAT stupid.
@Jay Park, I second that seemingly vapid remark.
Wow after getting fined by the UN, looks like they are going to get hammered at home too.
The UN fined them? Do you mean the EU?
..and NATO
Don't forget Al-Qaeda!
...and what about the Justice League?
Now wouldn't that be a strategic strike against Microsoft, the freakin United Nations laying down International Law, BONUS if they deploy peacekeepers and surround HQ.
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!
So they spend a few billion dollars and say "we're" sorry and then go do it again and hope they don't get caught the next time. Nothing will actually change. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
So my Vista UI experience could have been better was it not for Intel's crappy 915 chipset? Thanks MS for crapping on your own product and hence the consumers who bought it.
This is insane ... it drives me nut when people run out and by the cheapest computer they can find then gripe about performance.
You think Jeebus would have the foresight to buy a better computer.
No, my PC is fine. MS admits to lowering the bar on Vista, thus resulting in worse UI experience on any computer. In other words, to support Intel, Vista is not as cool as it could have been.
Oh, cry me a fucking river. Vista runs just fine on that chipset. It's all the crapware that OEM's put on computers that make them run like ass. Sticker says Vista capable, so it means the machine will run at least the lower end Vista. I don't know where people get the idea that they should be able to run ultimate with all features enabled or something on a $500 machine. Ultimate and aero does run fine when freshly installed on this: p4 3.0, 512 ram, intel gma950 onboard gfx, 80GB 7200rpm sata hdd. Not the best experience I've seen of course, but it's perfectly usable. Like someone said before, if you base your purchase on a sticker, you deserve to get screwed. Do some basic research or ask sales people/techs at the store before spending big money. Should be obvious for any high $ product.
Yes but Jeebus can turn Vista into XP
"Vista runs just fine on that chipset"
You don't seem to get the point. Vista runs fine on that chipset *exactly* because MS lowered their requirements, i.e. they removed stuff from Vista that couldn't run on that chipset.
Microsoft should have to send out coupons for a free Vista upgrade, or rebates good for discounts on a new PC. Maybe even a check of $100 to each affected user. This is really very sleazy of Microsoft.
you know what I meant
MS should of just made the sticker say... Shitty with XP, shittier with Vista.
Buy AMD.
Apples and Oranges sir. This is an Intel CHIPSET not a CPU. Please go home now. (PS: This is not AMD hate I still have a 3400+ in my comp till I build a new one)
makishima, 'twas meant to support Intel's competition, not solve this problem.
hey MS, now do you see the advantage of controlling both hardware AND software? It's less confusing/complicated and you can ensure your software is compatible without sacrificing the product experience.
Oh yeah, and you don't have to break any laws to sell your 'wares.
I know why you're low ranked; you're on a Mac.
Closed system, closed minded.
Disclaimer: Tony is a commenter, but he's not your commenter, none of this is legal fanboyism or biased in any way.
My dad bought 2 or 3 "Vista Capable" laptops late last year. I wonder if he can get in on this lawsuit. Anyone know?
I don't wish to state the obvious but...Google
It's a waste of time. All that's gonna happen is microsoft is gonna pay an insane amout of money, lawyers are gonna get a ton of money, and all the people jumping on this little band wagon are gonna get like 10 dollars a pop.
People need to learn to do research. All this crying over 10 dollars really isn't worth it.
Maybe he'll get a $10 Microsoft software credit. No actual cash.
Speaking of which, the Microsoft Home Usage Program no longer seems to offer Mac versions of Office. Oh well, I'll have to find an alternate way to procure it.
@Alex: as a matter of fact, there is a way your Dad can get involved in this class action lawsuit.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/heres_how_to_become_part_of_the_vista_junk_pc_lawsuit
Good to know MS was doing all they could to make teh best possible product. No wonder Vista blows to bad, the cut it off at the knees so I could run it on my 6 year old P4 with 256 of RAM....well kinda.
Um no...That's not at all what this is about. It's about a misleading sticker. If they did "cut it off at the knees" then this misleading sticker wouldn't be misleading in the first place.
The reason the i915-chipsets never received aero capable WDDM drivers, was marketing, pure and simple.
They figured they'd get people to upgrade their computers in order to take advantage och all the Aero eyecandy.
I've had no problems with Quartz under OSX och Compiz under Linux with the i915, so the power's there (not saying it's a powerful chipset, mind you, just powerful enough).
I don't know about the 915 chipset, but the 945 here on my work computer does an excellent job with compiz.
@Sporkinum
Great name. As in: "Stick a sporkinum. He's done"?
They should have simply but a sticker "Vista Home Basic compatible" for those computers.
And for future use, cause I know a lawsuit is coming for this:
- "Vista Compatible"
- and "Vista Compatible + Media Center" (computer with a TV-Tuner)
OK, I'm the biggest Windows fanboy there is, and even I'm shocked at this one.
Shame on you, Microsoft.
I agree, I'm a huge fanboy and this is just WOW! no words.
Guess 'The WOW starts Now'.
Jesus, I didn't even know Windows fanboys exists. What the hell do you have to be proud of? You're not special in any way, you the other 90% of the market are using the same crappy OS. Explain, please.
Well well, Shane. Do I not have the right to stand behind a product that I really enjoy? You're free to enjoy Mac or Linux, just as I'm free to enjoy my "crappy" OS.
do I hear a hater in shane?! I prefer Windows over Mac for many reasons, just like you like your Mac. and lets just end it at that cause we can go on on why you like Mac and how wonderful it is and how OSX is the greatest, and I how much bigger Steve Jobs C0#$ is bigger than Bill Gates. LOL! Your such a Douche shane, grow up lol.
"You're not special in any way, you the other 90% of the market are using the same crappy OS."
He never said he was special, he just said he likes Microsoft. So do I. Is it only cool to like something if less than 10% of the people use it? Moron.
And I still don't see the validity of this lawsuit. Vista Capable. If it is capable of running Vista, AT ALL, doesn't that mean the sticker is valid? Maybe if it said "Full Vista Feature Capability" that would be another story.
Eh. Whatever.
I'm an MS fan as well, and am definitely disappointed here. MS had been making great strides to be more open and conscientious of user experience, and they do this. I say they need to hand Intel the bill for this one when the dust settles, and kick the moron that Ok'd this to the curb.
Better yet, have the settlement include Intel buying every class member a new AMD MoBo, Processor, and Video Card.
Don't you know that you're a fanboi if you like the market leader and if you like the little guy you're immensely more intelligent? It's similar to the mentality of people who enjoy underground music and then turn on the band if they get a good record deal because they "sold out."
I'm really tired of the Mac/Windows/Linux banter these days.
I'm a long-time Mac owner, having adamently defended the now-"Classic" Mac OS since version 6. I also had a Windows 95 PC, which was absolute garbage compared to its Mac competition.
I got back into Windows when XP was new, because I could afford to have two computers (I built my PC) and wanted to play the latest games. After 9x, I never thought I'd say this about an MS OS, but... XP is a very usable OS, and I don't fault anyone who uses it as their only OS (as long as they're careful enough to avoid malware).
When OS X came, it was hard for me to switch, since the internals of the classic Mac OS are really easy to understand and troubleshoot. Furthermore, OS X is a terrible gaming platform because of how it handles multitasking and graphics resources.
But for the same reasons, it's a wonderful productivity platform. My non-gaming computer use feels much more streamlined in OS X, especially with Expose.
The summary of this long rant is, each OS has its benefits and weaknesses. For me, a Mac/Windows combination brings all the benefits I could ask for. Different needs bring different choices, and I don't see why people feel compelled to insult others' choices.
So f'ing evil, so corrupt. Microsoft is the new Enron!
No, Microsoft actually sells a product that makes money (not just on paper) and they actually own physical and intagibles that have value to shareholders even in a liquidation sale.
Enron was a Ponzi scheme with an Inc. after the name.
They aren't evil... They F*cked up, badly... It would be evil if they showed no remorse and the E-mails went like: "Hahaha, those stupid cattle buying sh*t that's never going to work. Mwuahahahaha."
Enron deliberately defrauded people. Microsoft accidentally did it, now its up to a court to decide if the negligence makes them liable. There was no depraved indifference here. The e-mails show some remorse.
@MadMike
Actually, they do exactly that. Example: 16% failure of 360's and %10 from RROD when the rest of the industry has set a, practically mandatory, rate of no more than 5% for ANY electronics. Add in the original warranty and you've got blatant and intentional reaming of the consumer.
Another example: ME
...I rest my case on that last one.
I hope MS learns to go the way of apple and make your own Hardware, that should resolve everything wrong with vista, they could make a Made by MS and over price it like apple does, and then have dell hp and everyone make there own at a cheapier price.
Problem is, they don't make their own hardware. Also, about the Easter Bunny....
The only problem is MS's hardware record isn't really all that stellar with the Xbox 360 and all.
"that should resolve everything wrong with vista"
So they will get rid of the registry then?
If the lawsuit ends up winning, you know the only thing people who bought vista compatible stuff will get is $0.10 and a chocolate chip cookie. The two dozen lawyers working the case will make out like bandits.
And yes, Nilay's disclaimers at the end of his posts are very pretentious.
I knew I shouldn't have pealed the Vista Capable sticker off my computer.
Microsoft caving to Intel, that's ripe.
LOL and 95% of you lemmings continue to support them. Including Business. Must love getting screwed over and over again. Like I said before, I bet the sticker originally said "Windows Vista Incapable"
Yeah we heard you the first time, "windows Vista Incapable" usually when no one laughs the first time it means it wasn't funny, but hey if you wanna give it a second try maybe we can laugh at you instead. I support them because I know how to buy a computer, I can read a damn label, unlike some people who got screwed.
thats some juicy dirt!
Maybe people ought to be looking at Intel taking some of the blame. I can see why Microsoft wouldn't want to upset one of their biggest partners.
However, I agree that this story is definately not good news for MS coming so soon after the EU fine which was pointless in my opinion. And Microsoft deserve some heat on this.
Just for the record, I must say that I'm pretty much against all the other recent Microsoft bashing that has been going on. In particular, with regards to the complaints by Opera. I feel that if I was interested in installing their product then I would do so irrespective of Internet Explorer (which I personally happen to like a lot). I do in any case occasionally use Firefox.
And finally, the answer is no. I don't work for MS either.
A fine? Pointless?
oh you mean large corporations should only be scolded for their market damaging business practices, and given a lollipop after they've spent enough time in the corner.
The fine was made to drive the point home that the requests made, should be enacted upon immediately, not whenever a company feels like addressing them.
Multiple drunk driving convictions should only result in AA meetings right? It should never result in fines, or losing your vehicle, or losing your license, or going to jail.
Why can't Microsoft concentrate on the fucking operating system, and remove the explorer/iexplore dependency, it really seems like their own software is written by sloppy assholes. Even though they understand the inner workings of their own operating system, they don't give a shit about their own programming guidelines. And when other companies that are competing in the same application space, somehow, the operating system "breaks" and the third party application bogs down.
If the next iteration of a Microsoft operating system starts marching towards even higher hardware requirements, I'm kicking Microsoft out of this house.
Microsoft had already been fined by the EU for its practices. This extra fine was because they still believed that Microsoft hadn't complied sufficiently with their directive. This all dates back to some time ago.
I believe this latest fine to be more influenced by the various current ongoing complaints such as from Opera and Google which I don't necessarily agree with. Finally, as to how much this is in part due to the politics of the EU, I can't say either.
Whilst, I agree with the right of competition authorities to ensure their is fair competition, I don't believe a company like Microsoft should be penalised just because it is the market leader and because Google, Opera, and many other corporations have their own agenda to play out.
Microsoft is a market leader because many people like its products. As a consumer, I certainly want as much value for my money without paying extra. However, if I did think a competitor's product was better and they were downtrodden by a huge corporation I would certainly support the underdog. Google and Opera don't fit into that category.
I am from the UK and we are all well aware of how the EU likes to operate sometimes. Not that this means that in this particular case the EU is not correct, but I don't believe we necessarily have the full story.
Microsoft, Open Source, Google, Apple etc all have their part to play in delivering value to customers through open and fair competition and I just do not believe Microsoft to be as evil as some people would like to believe. And certainly no more than Google, Apple or Opera or any other corporation.
Yeah, they should make their own hardware! It worked so well for the Xbox 360.
Nilay is not pretentious, just covering his ass. Do you think it is pretentious because he is a lawyer? Should he feel bad that he went through all of that schooling?
They should bring out their own hardware, it shouldn't freak out the branded computer sellers at all.
But who knows, they could finally get tired of the lawsuits, and at least consider the option.
Then again, if you put together a system using components from their "certified hardware" list, you should have a great experience, right?
It sounds like a very bad business decision on Microsoft's part to allow their crappy software to be run on slower hardware. Letting people get frustrated with Vista is a surefire way for them to go running to Apple. Apple would never allow their brand to suffer because people get disgruntled with performance. That's why the iPhone works so responsively, and all the Macbooks perform well. Would Ferrari ever make a sub $20k car to compete with a Toyota Corolla? I don't think so.
I don't think the lawsuit has much merit though, this is a bad business decision .. the sort of thing the market will punish Microsoft for.
I would love to get in on this lawsuit.. but the laptop I specced out (dell vostro 1500) is loaded.. heh including discreet nv8800 gs.. its more then capable of running vista... then again, its more then capable of running OSX.. which is what is running on it :)
There's something that has been annoying me for decades (well not precisely decades, but...) WTF if MS wants to include a browser, a Media Player and just cap any hole you might have to fill up with third party software? I'm ALL GOOD with that. The internet explorer is PART of the system since its the file explorer also. Period. The WMP can be ignored and uninstalled if required.
More into the topic. I don't give a damn sh1t for all those who bought a PC that was already last-year when they bought it. You can't go around buying tech if you're gonna settle with less than mid-range hardware. They should sue the retailers also, then, cause their employees sold PCs without warning to the people they were selling to. IT'S MANDATORY for a tech seller (any tech seller) to train their employees to answer questions with sniper accuracy. I get OVERLY mad when i get to a retailer and I know better than them.
Know your TOOL. If you're gonna buy a PC YOU'VE GOT to know what you're buying. It's not different from buying a car... you've got to know it's autonomy, reliability, handling, carrying capacity, room for passengers, engine power. You need to tell all your needs to the retailer AND HE MUST give you ADVICE.
And, let me tell ya, for once: CHEAP STUFF IS CHEAP BECAUSE OF SOMETHING. NOBODY GIVES NOTHING AWAY. CAPITALISM 101!!!
Anyways, this is all an overstatement. The fact that in US you can just sue «because» is making everyone just overly paranoid. I got to see a website that contained a top ten of the most exhilarating warning labels put on products. The best of them: «This Toy moves when it's used» It was a kids bicycle.
What a moron.
This is just the old caveat emptor argument. Consumer protection laws have moved away from this and sellers shouldn't be allowed to mislead buyers with advertising. Also, not everyone is a computer tech/gadget freak (like myself :) ) so they should be able to rely on the sticker. In addition, a person can't look inside a computer before buying - For example, what if VIA starts putting "intel inside". Do I have to check inside ala caveat emptor. No thanks.
rant over
No.
You are allowed to see the interiors of the machine you're buying. At least from a specs sheet. But YOU HAVE THE RIGHT to know every bit of tech that's put into your hardware.
Cause you're not buying a consolidated component (like a toaster) you're buying a set of devices that conform a component. The sticker would never suffice to state that. Anyways, VISTA CAPABLE was advertised as it would run the barebones. At least that's what came to Argentina (and man we're not at all geeks down'ere). Vista Basic runs on the same config as the lesser XP machine around, so it's true. It is capable of running the software.
I will stop trying to refute something that's not my fault, nor my interest and start reading the goddamn mails... cause I find pretty interesting that everything that MS does is wrong, tho anything 'others' do to tie in their software to certain specific hardware is right... mmh.
I mean, you know that you can't have CoreAnimation in Macs that are 3 years old, right? They lack the needed shaders, huh?
Technology is only forward not backwards. I wish Windows went the OSX way in dumping the backwards compatibility and running a new codebase altogether. That'd eliminate the registry.
Anyone who expects anything but crappy performance from an Intel graphics chipset is fooling themselves.
I'm not too sure what this means,
If it means that my vista aero experience could have been better, than i'm pissed off.
But otherwise, if its just people getting screwed, then i could care less, since i know better than to install vista on a 915G chipset Pentium 4 w/ 512 RAM.
(btw i run vista on both my desktop and my laptop, and i couldn't be happier with it as a general use OS. But gaming leaves much to be desired...)
This is fascinating from a business and a legal perspective.
It appears that most executives at Microsoft were trying to do the right thing, and that many of them had very viable solutions to what was going on.
In the end, however, the wrong thing prevailed.
As a corporate/securities attorney that is also not your attorney (unless you're looking to hire a new corporate/securities attorney, then we should talk, haha!) I'll be following this very closely.
I think everyone should read the actual text that has been published. You don't have to get very far (like 5 pages) into the e-mails before it becomes very clear taht this case has nothing to do with the ability to sue in the US. It has to do with a very strong case just on the e-mail alone. Their own internal planning was for a tiered system and only having vista stickerage on the top end that could run aero graf
Dan, I agree that everyone should read the emails. Not necessarily because the content of the emails is so juicy, but because they're totally a window into Microsoft's dev process, which is fascinating.
Better download those damning MS e-mails (via pdf) while you can.
After MS settled out of court in the Iowa court case, previously available damning e-mails (as pdfs... Allchin admitting he'd buy a Mac; MS staff oohing and aahing over, and envious of, OS X Tiger as they shared an install disk for them all to load, try out and copy) became hidden behind a password-protected (previously open) .org web site.
Luckily, I downloaded the pdfs before MS buried them :-)
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Has anyone read through all the emails? I started from the bottom and now on pg. 137. It is just getting BETTER AND BETTER!!
A MS employee bluntly stated that "Based on objective criteria that exist today for capable even a piece of junk will quallify. So based on that yes (Intel Chipset) 865 will qualify."
Priceless...and speechless
I think everyone should read the actual text that has been published. You don't have to get very far (like 5 pages) into the e-mails before it becomes very clear taht this case has nothing to do with the ability to sue in the US. It has to do with a very strong case just on the e-mail alone. Their own internal planning was for a tiered system and only having vista stickerage on the top end that could run aero graf
Woe, major flashbacks and, er, flashcurrents. If I could only count the number of emails I've sent as a software engineer asking what was management thinking and warning that we'd get in deep shit if we continued doing what they wanted. Then there are all the emails I didn't send saying simply "I told you so."
(Though a few years ago, my boss sent me an email saying, "I know, I know, you told me so.")
How about this, if you have one of these computers and it runs slow, TURN OFF AERO!!!!!!
Wow, after reading some of that, especially the slides from Dell, Microsoft definitely did not have their shit together. Very apparent that they rushed this to market even though a lot of things weren't clear, or ready.
I'm surprised at this lawsuit honestly. Yes, the stickers were confusing for consumers somewhat, but really. Lets look at the meaning of the word capable: It means that it has the ability to. Those stickers state the the system has the ability to run Vista, which is truth. Now no, its not going to run Vista well, but that wasn't what it was stating.
@spm.peapot: My Gateway laptop with 3.2 GHz Northwood on a P865 chipset and 2GB ram runs Vista beautifully. My onboard Mobility 9600 doesn't hesitate to run Aero and all its beautiful transparency effects with no issues. My laptop scores a 3.4, and its 4 years old. And, it runs Vista faster than many of these new PCs!
My Dell Latitude C840 w/1GB ram and 2.4GHz P4-m will run Vista just fine. The GeForce 440Go will not support Aero, so only the classic theme is possible, but the unit will run Vista fine, albeit slowly. Although not so slow that the computer would be unusable.
I think I'm more saddened by the fact that in order to make sure a business partner didn't fall on its face, they lowered the requirements. There was nothing stopping OEMs from adding in cheap crappy video cards that allowed for Aero to run.
They should've added a 3rd sticker to put on basically every other computer available from 486 on- "More or less Vista-compatible!"
I remember arguing with a Best Buy employee over this. I was looking at laptops out of curiousity (would never buy a laptop from a brick-and-morter store, though,) and he came over, started asking me if I was curious about the laptop I was looking at. I made some remark about, "not really, I would never use Vista on a computer with 512 MB of RAM since I'm a gamer." He started arguing with me (the customer, mind you) about how, no, you can totally game on a Vista computer with 512 MB, and that's the point of that sticker. I eventually broke it off, since he was getting really angry at me. I'm still not quite sure that his problem was. It wasn't that I was calling his mom a whore or even raising my voice.
I run vista on my pentium 4 with only a gig of RAM fine. Runs betterthan XP (I go days without resetting the computer), actually hasbetter driver support (Recognized my printer, my network card, etc.which XP never did). There's only minute software issues (Kdice.comnot working on FFb3 or IE7, but works on FF2 [NOT VISTA PROBLEM],network randomly crapping out every few days, strange booting of thehard drives, etc.)
I liked XP on my "old" computer [P4 2.56ghz, 5200FX, 1gig ram], i like vista on it even more.
While I do disagree pandering to Intel. I would like to state that there were several stickers including Premium Capable (which is what my BF's PC had on it). So I think MS did try to differentiate but there is only so many words you can put in a small sticker.
In the future though, I think MS should just not allow these upgrade style stickers and let consumers decide if they think their computer is worth the upgrade.
BestBuy is stupid. But it furthers another point that stores and manufactures are responsible too, not just MS. But I bet only MS is getting sued since they have the money.
Microsoft reminds me a lot of ole G.W.B. Always looking for the reach around..
Sadly, this type of thing is what customers of Microsoft can expect apparently. The Windows Millennium debacle was driven by exactly the same hubris and disregard for the customer. Why worry about your customers when your customers really dont have a choice?
/[sarcasm alert]
Thankfully, our govt. all but sanctioned this type of behavior by M$
with the sham of a verdict/pentaly in a case called United States vs. Microsoft.
/[sarcasm off]
*I am not a lawyer and taking my advice might lead to any number of things you
are probably not up for, so take my advice and remember, dont take my advice...;)
Dang! Can't beat confidential email for entertainment, Dell seemeed pissed in that powerpoint.
@chebwa - And I still don't see the validity of this lawsuit. Vista Capable. If it is capable of running Vista, AT ALL, doesn't that mean the sticker is valid? Maybe if it said "Full Vista Feature Capability" that would be another story.
I don't agree with this at all. I installed Vista on my "vista compatible" laptop and I couldn't even play a dvd on it(not enough memory) out of the box. Yes i upgraded the ram and it works fine now but do you see the problem with this? It wasn't a "vista compatible with upgrades" laptop.
Computers and Operating systems!
SHIT IN A BOXES ..... literally!
south park studios need to make an episode.