Chinese LionKing800 cellphone claims 1-year standby
By Thomas Ricker 
posted Mar 13th 2008 5:08AM
posted Mar 13th 2008 5:08AM
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wtf!? how small is that battery?! 16800 mAh? no way!!!
It is 16800 mAh. But the initial charging lasts 10 years :)
Yeah but i'm sure realworld estimates only come out to a mere 182.5 days of battery life ;)
Plus, if it's anything like the Chinese knockoff ebay batteries I've had lately it will only work for a few weeks before it swells and pops the back off the phone. Can you imagine the explosion this battery is going to cause.
I'm going to take the battery out of one of these phones - and run my Tesla Roadster on it...
@ Boostjunkie
This is what you wrote : " like the Chinese knockoff ebay batteries I've had lately it will only work for a few weeks before it swells and pops the back off the phone. "
This is what I ask : Why are you still alive ?
Imagine what a mess it would be if this battery decides to have a little fun and "explode"
Actually, in traditional chinese culture, cheating and dishonesty is considered a virtue.
--quote on--
the Chinese are “cunning and dishonest, and have a great dislike to Europeans;” Arabians “subsist in a great measure by plunder;” Pictures of All Nations, with Simple Descriptions. London: Darton and Clark, n.d. [1840s].
--quote off--
@PMman
and many American academics and such were still justifying slavery in the 1840's also. Maybe reflections on race from that period aren't exactly reliable sources of objective information?
This is so hard to believe especially coming from a Chinese company.
Agreed, i mean seriously, next they'll tell us they have a 1mm cubed nuclear micropile that can run for 2000 years ... i mean, really ... :/
why? as the second country who sent mankind out to the space?
but they invented the hiphone!
http://www.solomobi.com/viewproduct.asp?pro_id=1377
China second country in space? You mean, second country after RUSSIA? That'd be extraordinary news to, well, pretty much everybody on planet earth. Except you then Ray, I guess.
Yes, it's true. America wasn't the first at everything ever conceived, despite popular opinion to the contrary. Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space, did it in the early 1960s, and though you probably weren't even born then doesn't change that it did happen. Btw, I wasn't born then either, but at least I got myself a bit of education. :P
I recently heard about an invention that would tenfold the capacity, so this could be true, and a case of industrial espionage? perhaps they found it while hacking into yet another 'secure' american mainframe :)
I'd wait for a few months before getting it to see if the thing is stable though.
"The manned space program began in 1968, and China became the third country to put a human in space in 2003." wikipedia
Ray - it's the third country and USA is the second. Russia (URSS on that time) was the first.. just fyi.
Why isn't this a "Keepin' it real fake"? It looks like a N95.
Looks a bit of N95, but i'm more amazed with that button cluster on the front....must be great.
Havent really looked closer these things so what OS are they using? Looks a bit of Symbian, but i would think it's not.
It's probably a pirated version of Symbian just like china's pirated copies of winmo and etc.
If this was true, then one of my dreams has just become true and finally some electronic handheld device company is offering a real deal batter life time, which takes us closer to the dream of having a device that will need one charge every year with full use! :)
Now, only if Microsoft, Apple, NOKIA, Samsung, Sony, etc would pay little bit more on research and bring us battery performance just like in this LionKing800.
P.S: I still can't take the name "LionKing800" serious! Why is that?
before bashing real companies, let's find out if this is true or not. And if it doesn't blow up in your pocket.
Wout, Reality is the part of imagination that we believe in.
don't mind wout, he took the blue pill
at least that's what both evangeline lilly and kristin kreuk told me in bed last night. they say i'm smart and brave cuz i took the red one.
1 year? sure... IN THE HIMALAYAS!
Pardon me, but, are you stating this as a fact or a joke?
You look like Super Mario!!
Looks like *regular* Mario to me ;)
Silly you LLKrisJ, this is Super Mario after a Jeremy-look operation; Don't believe me, Google it!
How long does it take to charge the battery, then? Two years? :D
Two years PLUS your dog dies and your kid gets lead poisoning.
I keed, I keed. It's made of those jellies that don't dissolve.
How long will it take to charge this thing???
Lithium ion should normally be charged at 1C, which means a HUGE charger for 1 hour (plus about 20 minutes for the last bit of charge at steadily less than 1C). Shouldn't make much difference to the charge time compared to a normal sized lithium ion/poly, unless they don't have a charger that can produce this much in a small enough form factor to be practical. But if they really can make this battery, then the charger must be the least of the problems they've had to over-come.
Woah I just can't WAIT to be King!
you've got to be the lion first.
The name for a device with that much energy in that small a volume is a "hand grenade"
agreed, if you see this, stay the fuck away
Either that or it gives you cancer 10x faster than a traditional cell phone
more power for the bigger boom i guess ^^
I can't believe it's not fake and BTW, I can't find on the Internet, how much does this thing actually weight.
hehe how long does it take to charge :) btw the price and the specs are nice
My roommate in the dormitory left his phone in his room, locked the door and left for a holiday. The alarm sounds endlessly, starting 7:30AM. I really hope his battery wont last one freaking year...
have you considered the possibilty that he might have it hooked up to its charger xD
thats possibly the reason he forgot the phone to begin with :p
enjoy ;)
Wow... When I leave my phone somewhere, I instantly realize it, I guess it's because I use it so much, but you would think your roommate would realize he left it as soon as he got on the road...
It would be quite a boom if one of these exploded..
(And I'm confident one of these will.. They're made in China)
but you know that almost all batteries are made there? ;)
Almost everything is made in China, that is not a reason fro doubting it. The fact that it is designed/developed by an obscure Chinese company should be the problem.
Yes I know
Let me rephrase that:
(And I'm confident one of these will.. They're proudly designed and made in China)
That's very impressive. Engadget, that's more like 15x rather than 10x. -_-" Hell, even 15x is an understatement.
One thing makes me wonder though, how long does it take to charge?
iphones are made in china
Nokia n95?
Sorry, that's not possible. Unless this company has modified the laws of Physics. A typical 18650 battery is 2200mAh, so this would be seven of those. An 18650 is about 60-70 mm in height, and 18 mm in diameter. No way you could fit even two 18650 cells in that compartment. (http://www.batteryjunction.com/li18322mahre.html)
The energy density to get you 16800 mAh in that space is ridiculous. No way.
Hrm. I bet its just a typo on the battery.
This knockoff battery i have here is '20000mAh'.
Mmm, right, a superbattery in a phone that costs 145.
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So does that mean they spent like 6 months developing the battery and another year just watching it run out before they announced it? =\ Doubtful.
And we thought iPod batteries were bad, wait until one of these explodes and takes out half a block. Should be sweet.
Impossible to stand 1 year : 8 760 Hrs on a 16 800 mAh = 1.9 mAh. No GSM chipset keeps a registered network and power its smartphone application memory, DC/DC converters, etc at this rate...
Also, go to Wikipedia, no labs have announced such battery densities for the coming year :-) There are also regulations about energy density and explosion risks (right, its a grenade). There is something not explained/wrong in their spec.
The Battery lasts 1 year*
*(400 cell external li-ion battery not included and must be purchased separately)
Seems pretty feasible. It's got a significantly larger size than my 950mAh K800i battery. Easily 8x as much, which already approaches 8000mAh. Additionally it doesn't need all that extra structure inbetween but can just be filled with a huge blob of lithium-ion.
Pretty cool really, wonder how much you'll need to cough up for a battery...
not so much feasible. the size is impossible. it's just ... errr ... freakin' impossible I tell ya! really! impossible! :-D
don't mind me, just a bit surprised that a bunch of supposed Geeks reading engadget wouldn't understand the first thing about lipoly/liion batteries ... . I'll shut up now, thanks for that, engadget ... :)
Yes my terms were a bit off if that's what you mean :p It's not a big wad of LiIon, but it doesn't need as much insulation in relation to the amount of anode/cathode and electrolyte in there.
Well some basic calculations: The phone is 120x65x20 which gives you 156ml. According to wikipedia, that gives you around between 39Wh an 82Wh (250-530Wh/l - @ 3.7V that's between 10.5 Ah and 22.1 Ah if the entire phone was one big battery. So yes... sadly it's unlikely, unless Wikipedia's numbers are off, or the dimensions are off.
In the same breath - My K800i's battery is 50x40x4 -> 8ml and gives 950mAh. Using that you'd need 140ml to give 16800mAh.
I have no idea what the actual batteries' dimensions are, so it's kinda hard to say :p
Interestingly Subaru pumped out a 745Wh/l LiIon battery in late 2007... Enough for 16.8Ah in 80ml.
attention whores, i say.
What if this is true?
Someone living in China please order this ASAP.
Even though the possibility of this is like 0.1%, its still worth a try. After all, it has:
" 1.dual sim work one by one
2. Blue tooth 2.0
3. Hand writing & key input
4.Four speakers good music "
Four speakers and good music. Damn thats good.
So, 1.2A would last a lifetime - and I'd need only another 0.6A...
Such a huge device with a QVGA screen? Are the 90s back?
I mean, seriously, it would be so much more attractive for me if it was 50% smaller and battery life of "only" 6 months.
it's actually a rogue company using a chinese-based company brand to make knock-offs of nokia.
So no, it's fake, you may buy in batch with a price of $90, and it comes with two battary, one 12800mAh, one 6800mAh.
ray wrote "why? as the second country who sent mankind out to the space?"
Wow, you really need to do some research before posting.
Or maybe you're being sarcastic.
hmmm.. ipod knockoff with "better" battery and 3 more speakers?
yay for "four speakers good music"
i want good music :(
Maybe they meant "good speakers 4 music" ... Chinese right? (I should know) ;P
ever heard of the Russian space pen story?
Americans or Russians couldn't get their pens to work in a space craft.. so America spends a million $ to develop an anti gravity pen.
On the other side of the world, USSR decided they would use pencils instead!
Over engineering... I think not! Smart... maybe
America wasn't the first to do everything. America just did it the best because they spent the most money. I wonder if Russia ever faked rocket launches and such?
When I was younger I always hated the space race. I'd had hoped that America and the U.S.S.R. would have joined up and worked together. One thing I liked about the Russians is that they always over-engineered stuff to last. Both countries wasted so much money trying to develop craft on their own. By now both countries would have had Mars colonies if they'd had joined forces.
Now Russia is in financial shambles and the U.S. isn't far behind.
So here is why this is impossible:
A standard 6 cell laptop battery puts out about 50 watt hours.
This battery, if in fact its specs are correct, should output 70 watt hours.
If this technology was available, it would be in use in every laptop and phone today.
That's what i'm saying... im-pos-sible. not even vaguely likely. This is a misprint/misinterpretation by the battery manufacturer. Or a blatant lie by either the phone maker or manufacturer or both.
Really how stupid do they think we are?
Oh wait... a lot of people here seem to think it's really cool and want one ... jeeez.
There goes my faith in our collective intelligence.
didn't you hear...its not acutally li-ion, but tiberium, and thats how it has so much power...
haha, wait a minute...Chinese companies never invent anything, they just made cheesy knockoffs of existing stuff.
not so, mit recently came up with wireless electricity, electric car technology can outpreform gas,ltps, oled, better than tft lcd, the list goes on and on... really, most of the best technology isent used till many years after it is released, the companies would obviously want to improve as slowly as possible their technology, in order to maximize profits.
SLANDER!
I'd be willing to bet good money thats far closer to 1680mAh than 16800mAh...
Unless somehow they have bent the laws of physics and it's bigger on the inside than the outside!
i say you buy one... charge it ... and see how long it lasts
wouldnt hurt rite?
ATTN: phone in testing site // please stay behind the glass window. enjoy.
Can I get this battery for my phone now?
It's due for a replacement and is dying on me when WiFi is turned on.
You know how they're going to make all their money, right?
The charger is going to cost $500 because everyone is going to lose their charger after a freakin' year and have to buy a new one everytime they want to charge it!
lion King?
Yea Right,
A friend bought 10 64BG USB drives over there for $50 each. They show up on your computer as 64GB but do you think he was able to get 64Gigs of data on to it, more like 2GB... I'll bet it's the same story with these batteries.
Stand by for news.
Maybe they meant Li-ion king ?! thats what i initially read it as !
you're from taiwan i presume?
I could care less about battery, but melikey dual SIM!
All of you who asked the sarcastic question "how long does it take to charge" - you feel smart for asking that question, don't you?
imagine if this explodes... XD
Here is a video of a fake Nokia N95 with the same type screen. It would be made by the same company.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/662870/nokia_n95/
The battery might be juicy, but will it play Doom?
Well, maybe this kind of technology is possible currently, but the government and various energy companies don't want the people finding out that it is possible, in order to gradually 'improve' energy capacities. Maybe..
Well my psp Battery I bought from hong kong is 3600mah which is pretty decent but is hugh (about .5',2,3'), and then the battery died after 3 charges (I was lucky it didnt explode while I was playing my psp), this sounds capable on factory charge and then it will also die.
what if its just a giant battery that powers a couple LED's that light up the paper screen?
IS THAT POWERFUL BATTERY MADE BY SONY ??? :)
IN ANY CASE, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE BATTERY EXPLODES ?
8900 Kilowatt hours is the average usage of a house in the US.
24.38 Kilowatt hours per day = 2438watts per day.
Plugs run at 120V. so that's
If you have a battery with 1000 mAh then it can give 1000 mA for an hour, the formula for calculating watt is A x V = W.
So in this case 2438 W / 120 V = 20.316 A = 2031.6 mA
And to get the time 16,800 mAh / 2031.6 mA = 8.269 hours = 8 hour 16 minutes.
It will run your house for 8 hours 16 minutes.
Why stop there?
Just sell the damned batteries and I'll use it to power my house, then take it out and power my car.
I'll just have a belt with 10 of them and personally power everything I want.
On a side note, someone with more time should calculate how much mass to energy can be created by E=mc(squared) I bet this battery approaches this.