Is your head up your ass for the warmth? Drivers will still help/fix this, just as I have said all along.
I haven't bought these, and never did I consider doing so. Why is this so hard to get through your head? Me and Byron have both stated numerous times that we don't plan on purchasing these cards (let alone 2), so how about you learn to read.
New driver isn't going to save this card. This card is an overpriced crap and we all know it. 2 8800 slapped together isn't anything new about it. They are trying to fool idiots like you into believing it to be a wicked card and idiots like you who bought into it.
Maybe they should try harder and perfected this technology before releasing this crap. Drivers isn't the problem here. It's the advancement of the technology of these video card is going backward. They should try perfecting just 1 gpu instead of slapping 2 together. Maybe they should give Intel a call.
Again, you foolish son-of-a-bitch, I know what the Hell this card is. You act as if I'm ignorant and have no clue what I'm talking about, even though I build PCs and work on them on a (near) daily basis.
New drivers WILL help, considering the hardware is more than capable. What do you think makes the hardware operate and work the way they are supposed to? Drivers. Why would new, improved drivers not help or fix the problem?
An new driver isn't going to propel this card into a super card. A driver can only do so much but it's pretty much reach it bottle neck. The problem is it isn't the driver but a crapola scamming technology. So get that into your head you stupid idiot.
"you stupid idiot" . . . damn you know an argument is immature when you hear that line.
anyways . . FOUR 8800GTs IS a bottleneck. god damn . . . we already saw that 3-8800ultras only made little improvements . . so then nvidia decided to put 4, lesser cards together, and we're all expecting a revolution
i really think engadget is the last place to have an intelligent conversation about graphics cards anyways . . I think I'll go over to XS forums.
James? How old are you? You're acting like a total child.
The driver is what is limiting this card. With proper drivers, this card SHOULD perform as well as 2 8800GTSs in SLI, considering that is what it is. Once they fine tune the drivers, you WILL see much better performance.
I'm not claiming this is supposed to be some "super card", and never have, nor has, I believe, Nvidia. It is supposed to be an SLI setup in a single card, and it is- and it isn't supposed to perform better than any current SLI setup, it IS however, supposed to be more powerful than any single GPU setup, and it will be with perfected drivers.
What you don't seem to understand is the HARDWARE is MORE than capable of performing but they can't perform to their maximum because of incapable drivers. Think of it like a car and it's controller (computer)- edit it by some means (such as a chipset tuner from Banks, Edelbrock, Hypertech, etc) and you can get HUGE boosts in performance.
You need to educate yourself on how computers and computer components work before you try to argue one way or another, because you will make a fool of yourself, just like you're doing now.
true, higher resolutions is where you'd see the performance boost from this setup . . i just think that this is the most high end setup for an old generation of highend games, and I'd rather buy a new generation of nvidia cards instead of 2 8800s sandwhiched together.
And what I mean buy old generation is basically pre-crysis. I hate to generalize, but we saw the same thing after doom3 came out. And since crysis is a sign for the games to come, this setup doesnt exactly make me to confident.
You are still freaking stupid. 9800 GX2-based Quad SLI=4 8800GT. You are not convincing anyone with the stupid "driver" is the issue here. If 4GPU can't even doubled a 8800 card and only 20% improvement, you really have a technology problem NOT a driver issue. Get it through your puny brain. Stop trying to be so smart when you're NOT.
Let me get it into you puny skull once last time. If you spend $1200 on these cards and it doesn't perform like Nvidia brag like they should. You wouldn't be sitting here and saying nice thing about it. Maybe you should go out and spend $1200 on it and wait, hope and pray that a new driver will magically give you 40% improvement over one 8800GTX.
"9800 GX2-based Quad SLI=4 8800GT. You are not convincing anyone with the stupid "driver" is the issue here. If 4GPU can't even doubled a 8800 card and only 20% improvement, you really have a technology problem NOT a driver issue."
Actually that's not the issue at all. It IS 4 8800s, so obviously the only thing holding it back are games not being able to utilize all 4 GPUs. The only fix: NEW DRIVERS, Bingo!
Are you F'ing stupid? Why do you think these 4 8800GT*S*s (you complain about me not knowing what the product is; LOL!) are performing so poorly? We know that an 8800GTS (G92) performs roughly the same as the 8800GTX (G80), and in SLI perform comparably to 2 8800GTXs in SLI, but this card is not performing much better than 1 8800GTX... Well, we KNOW that the hardware is good- it's 2 8800GTSs... We KNOW it has the bandwidth on the board... We KNOW the 2 PCBs are connected in a comparable manner to regular SLI...
Through deductive REASONING*, we can find that the DRIVERS are the ONLY TRUE VARIABLE LEFT TO EXPLAIN THE ISSUE. It HAS the bandwidth, it HAS the technology, the ONLY thing left to look at are the DRIVERS.
Again, I WORK on and BUILD computers on a VERY regular basis. I am REQUIRED to have an understanding of these types of things due to my OCCUPATION. I have RESEARCHED and UNDERSTAND this type of thing, and through EXPERIENCE I have cemented my UNDERSTANDING of computers.
For the TIME BEING, these cards don't perform like they SHOULD, but by perfecting the drivers, THE DAMNED OPERATORS OF THE COMPONENT, PERFORMANCE INCREASES CAN AND WILL BE SEEN.
Maybe YOU should get it through YOUR THICK SKULL that you DON'T know what the Hell you're talking about. I can understand people being wrong, but being wrong, flatly denying the FACTS and proceeding to insult people over things you don't have an F'ing CLUE about I can NOT respect, so shut up and DROP THE SUBJECT, because ALL you're doing as of right now is trolling and making an utter FOOL of yourself.
You are too freaking funny. So you are telling me after all these years they haven't figure out a proper drivers for a SLI, CrossFire and even the old 7900 X2? Stop blaming the driver. Softwares can only do so much. They have released tons of drivers for CrossFire and SLI over the years and so far, hardly any improvement. They even having problem trying to get it to run properly on certain OS.
Stop with your stupid rambling. You just making yourself like an idiot.
Drivers and softwares might be a problem but the biggest problem right here is the technology they are using. SLI, CrossFire or the X2 type of technology is a lazy. You don't see intel chipset getting bigger. They are able to fit 2 cores, 4 cores ect. over the years with the same size chipset. I know it's 2 different kind of hardware but to me, they are creating this new technology to scam people to buy into buying 2 to 4 video cards.
Another thing is that you will be freaking stupid if you think Nvidia or ATI is creating card that totally realize on drivers. They create cards that will hit it bottle neck and no matter what driver you created, it will finally come down to hardwares.
If drivers are the real issues, people will just buy a 8800 video card and wait for the driver that will give it another 50 fps. But that's not going to happen. These cards a made to hit a certain limit, anything more then it would will destroyed the card or making it unstabled. Right now even a proper or final driver, it will be tiny bit improvemnt and making it stabled. You cannot push the driver more then the card can handle.
Ummmmm from what i can remember the 7900GTX had a 3dMark score the was TWO-THIRDS that of the 7GX2 after nvidia released Forceware Rel. 90. And if you remember forceware Rel.90 was a complete redesign from the older versions to coincide with the launch of the 7950GX2. . so if this is anything to expect, the 9800GX2 will have a huge performance boost.
God James, you need years of experience before you can start this argument. Just save your breath . . . go to the video card section at Xtreme System Forums, here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=65 and make a post if you have any questions. Everyone there is well read in this subject and would be happy to answer your questions.
But guessed what. These drivers have almost finally reach it potential with these chips and with these series of cards. It's the hardware technology that needs an upgrade. Drivers are pretty much the bottle neck but hardware improvement is where it should be at.
Thats the thing, James, they HAVEN'T EVER MADE DRIVERS FOR SLI ON ONE SLOT WITH THIS GENERATION OF CARDS. They are connected VERY much like an SLI setup, however, they use ONE PCI Express slot, which complicates things.
God you know absolutely nothing... Its like putting an average Joe behind the steering wheel of a Porsche GT3 and saying that his lap times on a specific track are the best you can expect from that car. Well, what happens when you put a better driver behind the wheel? The laptimes get BETTER. It's such a perfect example of what I'm trying to tell you, because its almost the same damned thing? The drivers operate the card. SLI'd 8800GTSs can perform far better than this in its current state, but what if we give it better, smoother drivers? THEN we can expect the performance this card is supposed produce.
Do you know what a bottle neck is? In this case, its the drivers, but a bottleneck can be anything, for example, take an 8800GT and a Pentium 4 CPU and I can guarantee you that the FPS in most games won't be nearly as high as if you pair that GT with a more current, more powerful CPU. Anything can be a bottleneck, but in this case, it is DRIVERS.
Also, the fact that they are two DIFFERENT components and two DIFFERENT technologies so the progress of one can't really be compared to the other. I don't really care if you think they are trying to "scam" people, because you're obviously wrong. A scam would be to advertise one thing but provide the other, which they definitely aren't- they aren't advertising a product and not fulfilling. They are advertising a dual GPU video controller and thats what they are giving. They aren't guaranteeing any amazing performance.
You are totally oblivious to all logic and reason... The 8800 drivers have pretty much gotten as good as they are going to get. You won't see any major performance boosts... However, those are single GPU solutions, whereas this is a dual GPU setup, and it isn't done very often through one slot, meaning they won't have a ton of experience with it's drivers, meaning that the first iterations of it won't be perfect.
Try removing the drivers on your 8800GTX. Try to play any games with no drivers installed for it. You won't be able to, because the thing that RUNS the card will not be there, therefore it cannot function the way it is meant to. Again, an example would be driving a car around a track- a seasoned racer will far outdo the average Joe.
I still don't get how you think its the tech... SLI'd 8800GTSs perform better than this, but this is pretty much SLI'd 8800GTSs only on one board... I mean, the tech is proven, but what could it be? EXPLAIN to me what the fuck you think it is. I want you to go into as much detail as possible. If you're so damned smart, and I'm so stupid, then why is it doing this? Why the Hell does it not perform the way its supposed to?
Dude, you're being an idiot, the 9800 GX2 is a good solution and not a 'overpriced pile of crap'. If you have an Intel motherboard that isn't SLi compatible, the 9800GX2 is the best and most reliable performance available, bar quad crossfire 3870X2. $600 isn't too much for the same (and sometimes better) performance as two 8800 GTS SLi. Stop wasting your time badmouthing products you haven't tried.
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LMAO @Zeus.:God & ByronGman!!!
Are you 2 still in hiding? So you 2 still think a driver(s) is going to save this card?? Or you 2 already bought it and feel like an idiot?
Is your head up your ass for the warmth? Drivers will still help/fix this, just as I have said all along.
I haven't bought these, and never did I consider doing so. Why is this so hard to get through your head? Me and Byron have both stated numerous times that we don't plan on purchasing these cards (let alone 2), so how about you learn to read.
@Zeus.:God
New driver isn't going to save this card. This card is an overpriced crap and we all know it. 2 8800 slapped together isn't anything new about it. They are trying to fool idiots like you into believing it to be a wicked card and idiots like you who bought into it.
Maybe they should try harder and perfected this technology before releasing this crap. Drivers isn't the problem here. It's the advancement of the technology of these video card is going backward. They should try perfecting just 1 gpu instead of slapping 2 together. Maybe they should give Intel a call.
Again, you foolish son-of-a-bitch, I know what the Hell this card is. You act as if I'm ignorant and have no clue what I'm talking about, even though I build PCs and work on them on a (near) daily basis.
New drivers WILL help, considering the hardware is more than capable. What do you think makes the hardware operate and work the way they are supposed to? Drivers. Why would new, improved drivers not help or fix the problem?
You don't even know what you're talking about.
An new driver isn't going to propel this card into a super card. A driver can only do so much but it's pretty much reach it bottle neck. The problem is it isn't the driver but a crapola scamming technology. So get that into your head you stupid idiot.
"you stupid idiot" . . . damn you know an argument is immature when you hear that line.
anyways . . FOUR 8800GTs IS a bottleneck. god damn . . . we already saw that 3-8800ultras only made little improvements . . so then nvidia decided to put 4, lesser cards together, and we're all expecting a revolution
i really think engadget is the last place to have an intelligent conversation about graphics cards anyways . . I think I'll go over to XS forums.
James? How old are you? You're acting like a total child.
The driver is what is limiting this card. With proper drivers, this card SHOULD perform as well as 2 8800GTSs in SLI, considering that is what it is. Once they fine tune the drivers, you WILL see much better performance.
I'm not claiming this is supposed to be some "super card", and never have, nor has, I believe, Nvidia. It is supposed to be an SLI setup in a single card, and it is- and it isn't supposed to perform better than any current SLI setup, it IS however, supposed to be more powerful than any single GPU setup, and it will be with perfected drivers.
What you don't seem to understand is the HARDWARE is MORE than capable of performing but they can't perform to their maximum because of incapable drivers. Think of it like a car and it's controller (computer)- edit it by some means (such as a chipset tuner from Banks, Edelbrock, Hypertech, etc) and you can get HUGE boosts in performance.
You need to educate yourself on how computers and computer components work before you try to argue one way or another, because you will make a fool of yourself, just like you're doing now.
true, higher resolutions is where you'd see the performance boost from this setup . . i just think that this is the most high end setup for an old generation of highend games, and I'd rather buy a new generation of nvidia cards instead of 2 8800s sandwhiched together.
And what I mean buy old generation is basically pre-crysis. I hate to generalize, but we saw the same thing after doom3 came out. And since crysis is a sign for the games to come, this setup doesnt exactly make me to confident.
@Zeus.:God
You are still freaking stupid. 9800 GX2-based Quad SLI=4 8800GT. You are not convincing anyone with the stupid "driver" is the issue here. If 4GPU can't even doubled a 8800 card and only 20% improvement, you really have a technology problem NOT a driver issue. Get it through your puny brain. Stop trying to be so smart when you're NOT.
@Zeus.:God
Let me get it into you puny skull once last time. If you spend $1200 on these cards and it doesn't perform like Nvidia brag like they should. You wouldn't be sitting here and saying nice thing about it. Maybe you should go out and spend $1200 on it and wait, hope and pray that a new driver will magically give you 40% improvement over one 8800GTX.
"9800 GX2-based Quad SLI=4 8800GT. You are not convincing anyone with the stupid "driver" is the issue here. If 4GPU can't even doubled a 8800 card and only 20% improvement, you really have a technology problem NOT a driver issue."
Actually that's not the issue at all. It IS 4 8800s, so obviously the only thing holding it back are games not being able to utilize all 4 GPUs. The only fix: NEW DRIVERS, Bingo!
WOW!
Are you F'ing stupid? Why do you think these 4 8800GT*S*s (you complain about me not knowing what the product is; LOL!) are performing so poorly? We know that an 8800GTS (G92) performs roughly the same as the 8800GTX (G80), and in SLI perform comparably to 2 8800GTXs in SLI, but this card is not performing much better than 1 8800GTX... Well, we KNOW that the hardware is good- it's 2 8800GTSs... We KNOW it has the bandwidth on the board... We KNOW the 2 PCBs are connected in a comparable manner to regular SLI...
Through deductive REASONING*, we can find that the DRIVERS are the ONLY TRUE VARIABLE LEFT TO EXPLAIN THE ISSUE. It HAS the bandwidth, it HAS the technology, the ONLY thing left to look at are the DRIVERS.
Again, I WORK on and BUILD computers on a VERY regular basis. I am REQUIRED to have an understanding of these types of things due to my OCCUPATION. I have RESEARCHED and UNDERSTAND this type of thing, and through EXPERIENCE I have cemented my UNDERSTANDING of computers.
For the TIME BEING, these cards don't perform like they SHOULD, but by perfecting the drivers, THE DAMNED OPERATORS OF THE COMPONENT, PERFORMANCE INCREASES CAN AND WILL BE SEEN.
Maybe YOU should get it through YOUR THICK SKULL that you DON'T know what the Hell you're talking about. I can understand people being wrong, but being wrong, flatly denying the FACTS and proceeding to insult people over things you don't have an F'ing CLUE about I can NOT respect, so shut up and DROP THE SUBJECT, because ALL you're doing as of right now is trolling and making an utter FOOL of yourself.
*Something you aren't good at.
@V3LOCIP3D3
You are too freaking funny. So you are telling me after all these years they haven't figure out a proper drivers for a SLI, CrossFire and even the old 7900 X2? Stop blaming the driver. Softwares can only do so much. They have released tons of drivers for CrossFire and SLI over the years and so far, hardly any improvement. They even having problem trying to get it to run properly on certain OS.
@Zeus.:God
Stop with your stupid rambling. You just making yourself like an idiot.
Drivers and softwares might be a problem but the biggest problem right here is the technology they are using. SLI, CrossFire or the X2 type of technology is a lazy. You don't see intel chipset getting bigger. They are able to fit 2 cores, 4 cores ect. over the years with the same size chipset. I know it's 2 different kind of hardware but to me, they are creating this new technology to scam people to buy into buying 2 to 4 video cards.
Another thing is that you will be freaking stupid if you think Nvidia or ATI is creating card that totally realize on drivers. They create cards that will hit it bottle neck and no matter what driver you created, it will finally come down to hardwares.
If drivers are the real issues, people will just buy a 8800 video card and wait for the driver that will give it another 50 fps. But that's not going to happen. These cards a made to hit a certain limit, anything more then it would will destroyed the card or making it unstabled. Right now even a proper or final driver, it will be tiny bit improvemnt and making it stabled. You cannot push the driver more then the card can handle.
@ James
Ummmmm from what i can remember the 7900GTX had a 3dMark score the was TWO-THIRDS that of the 7GX2 after nvidia released Forceware Rel. 90. And if you remember forceware Rel.90 was a complete redesign from the older versions to coincide with the launch of the 7950GX2. . so if this is anything to expect, the 9800GX2 will have a huge performance boost.
God James, you need years of experience before you can start this argument. Just save your breath . . . go to the video card section at Xtreme System Forums, here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=65 and make a post if you have any questions. Everyone there is well read in this subject and would be happy to answer your questions.
@V3LOCIP3D3
But guessed what. These drivers have almost finally reach it potential with these chips and with these series of cards. It's the hardware technology that needs an upgrade. Drivers are pretty much the bottle neck but hardware improvement is where it should be at.
Thats the thing, James, they HAVEN'T EVER MADE DRIVERS FOR SLI ON ONE SLOT WITH THIS GENERATION OF CARDS. They are connected VERY much like an SLI setup, however, they use ONE PCI Express slot, which complicates things.
God you know absolutely nothing... Its like putting an average Joe behind the steering wheel of a Porsche GT3 and saying that his lap times on a specific track are the best you can expect from that car. Well, what happens when you put a better driver behind the wheel? The laptimes get BETTER. It's such a perfect example of what I'm trying to tell you, because its almost the same damned thing? The drivers operate the card. SLI'd 8800GTSs can perform far better than this in its current state, but what if we give it better, smoother drivers? THEN we can expect the performance this card is supposed produce.
Do you know what a bottle neck is? In this case, its the drivers, but a bottleneck can be anything, for example, take an 8800GT and a Pentium 4 CPU and I can guarantee you that the FPS in most games won't be nearly as high as if you pair that GT with a more current, more powerful CPU. Anything can be a bottleneck, but in this case, it is DRIVERS.
Also, the fact that they are two DIFFERENT components and two DIFFERENT technologies so the progress of one can't really be compared to the other. I don't really care if you think they are trying to "scam" people, because you're obviously wrong. A scam would be to advertise one thing but provide the other, which they definitely aren't- they aren't advertising a product and not fulfilling. They are advertising a dual GPU video controller and thats what they are giving. They aren't guaranteeing any amazing performance.
You are totally oblivious to all logic and reason... The 8800 drivers have pretty much gotten as good as they are going to get. You won't see any major performance boosts... However, those are single GPU solutions, whereas this is a dual GPU setup, and it isn't done very often through one slot, meaning they won't have a ton of experience with it's drivers, meaning that the first iterations of it won't be perfect.
Try removing the drivers on your 8800GTX. Try to play any games with no drivers installed for it. You won't be able to, because the thing that RUNS the card will not be there, therefore it cannot function the way it is meant to. Again, an example would be driving a car around a track- a seasoned racer will far outdo the average Joe.
I still don't get how you think its the tech... SLI'd 8800GTSs perform better than this, but this is pretty much SLI'd 8800GTSs only on one board... I mean, the tech is proven, but what could it be? EXPLAIN to me what the fuck you think it is. I want you to go into as much detail as possible. If you're so damned smart, and I'm so stupid, then why is it doing this? Why the Hell does it not perform the way its supposed to?
Dude, you're being an idiot, the 9800 GX2 is a good solution and not a 'overpriced pile of crap'. If you have an Intel motherboard that isn't SLi compatible, the 9800GX2 is the best and most reliable performance available, bar quad crossfire 3870X2. $600 isn't too much for the same (and sometimes better) performance as two 8800 GTS SLi. Stop wasting your time badmouthing products you haven't tried.