Apparently, when CERN isn't colliding particles (and
ripping massive holes in the space-time continuum), it's busy working on a new "internet" which will be 10,000 times faster than our current version. The project -- known as "the grid" -- is built atop completely fiber optic networks, and utilizes modern routing centers. By keeping traffic out of our current phone and data systems, the researchers have been able to achieve speeds heretofore unseen on previous networks. The system connects from CERN to 11 centers around the globe, and will be switched on when the Large Hadron Collider is activated, on what the group is calling "Red Button Day." Project heads believe a network with this speed will lead to all sorts of futuristic innovations -- like true cloud computing, holographic video conferencing, and really,
really fast pirating of the entire
Nightmare on Elm Street series.
posted Apr 7th 2008 10:29AM
OMG, wow the day i can download a 28gb dvd in a 10th of a second the day i dance around naked!
sorry to be a killjoy but dvds are only 4.7 gb single layer :P
And your hard drive can only transfer around 3 gb/s at max (SATA), lol
Realtime bittorrent is on the doooooooooor.
No need to download anymore, we can do torrent streaming!
@ gmdude66
a 10k RPM Raptor drive can only write at about 80 MB/s MAX. So that SATA 3.0gbps link isn't really relevant, in terms of being a bottleneck.
@gmdude66:
Insert here the sound of millions of 1s and 0s going from light speed to crashing into each other at the connection to his hard disk.
This looks like a machine responsible for the prelude to the crisis depicted in Half Life.
Its like a damn stargate.
If it does manage to create a Black hole, we could use that to dump radioactive waste.
Your kidding about the black hole right? RIGHT???? thats bullshit and theres less then .0000001% of it happening. no joke.
Ask1001 you are the smartest person I know.
No joke.
Better yet...maybe something from a Lovecraft story
Actually, that's the RJ45 replacement to plug into The Grid. Better get a bigger house!
No, in fact one of the research to be performed in this is to create blackholes. But since the majority of people cannot understand the nature of a black hole everyone is going "OMG EARTH BE DISTROEI!11!sqrt(1)"
Blackholes have been created in the past and have this tendency to "evaporate" using radiations (even the big ones in the middle of galaxies, although in this case they receive more matter than they can expunge and, thus, grows). Even if the hole phenomenon is not understood entirely (like, you know, growing up to 7-8 dimensions around it), the "danger" they represent has been fully studied and they are not scared by those who knows what the **** is going on.
Keep the science stuff to the scientists. Please.
I regret that that my first, jaded, thought on seeing that photo was...Goatz...
my brain, it burns :(
guh.
even if they were able to create a blackhole (unlikely) it would be very small, and contain the same properties of anything else its size.
A tiny black hole has no more earth-ending capacity than a similarly sized mosquito.
you guys are ridiculous.
Actually we've already created blackholes: hyper small holes that last trillions of a fraction of a second. It is possible.
I just hope they didn't give you some sort of diploma Poltras.
@Wwhat
I don't know. Are you able to refute my claims? You seem like someone would know much more than me on the matter.
@Poltras
"You seem like someone would know much more than me on the matter."
Matter! Haha! I see what you did there.
It's funny when high-energy physics comes up and everyone and their dog suddenly becomes an expert...
Looks to me like an episode of MST3K is about to start. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
@LondonConsultant:
Well, it's not rocket science.
There aren't not such think as a "tinniest blackhole", blackhole exist in two sizes:tiny and massive, a "tiny" (a common blackhole) will need the mass of "many" Sol ultra compacted (even more compact that MacBook Apple Air) to start collapsing the gravity (both kind of gravity), and massive blackholes will need a lot more mass.
So, even using all the mass of the solar system (and the mass of all bulky ps3s) then this will not be enough to create a blackhole So CERN IS NOT ABLE TO CREATE BLACKHOLES, they are just bluffing or they achieved a way to create gravity without mass and afaik it is not (yet) possible.
For those who read Kip Thorn's Black Holes and Time Warps, you would know that 'tiny' black holes can _theoretically_ be formed when something-or-other happens (the hypothesis here is that colliding two elementary particles at trillions of eVs will form one).
The concern is that a tiny black hole (around the size of an atom or smaller) would still be able to swallow up the earth, as it were, because as we know, black holes increase in size as more mass falls in.
The evaporating black hole theory was actually postulated by Stephen Hawking (I think), when he realized that in quantum mechanics, particles exist with their antiparticles, and they sort of weave in and out of existence.. when a particle and antiparticle is 'born' near the event horizon, and one falls in while the other escapes, the black hole is essentially 'evaporating' or losing energy. There have actually been observations of black holes emitting X-rays, lending some credence to the evaporating black hole theory.
Of course, that all applies to normal sized black holes, and none of this may apply to tiny black holes, which might come into existence and then evaporate within a billionth of a second or something..
Anyway, read the book... I read it in like 9th grade, so it's been a while, and I might have some of the details wrong. It's really entertaining though (for those of you who like that sort of stuff........ but you're reading engadget anyway, so it might actually appeal to some of the readers here :)
SCREW you ALL! No-one knows ANYTHING about what'll happen because no-one has bl00dy well done it before!!!
I'm DAMN sure I heard somewhere that if only a tiny bit if Tachyon leakage in to the nacelles of the CERN, the whole planet will phase in to another dimension or something... And now thanks to this ultra fast network linking up places all over the world, I KNOW that this net-sky computer (I think that's what they're calling it) running the whole thing will utilitse the quantum soup coming out of the device, mix it up at some higer dimension and exterminate all life!
Damn pot-smoking scientists with a budget, you’ll be the downfall of us all, mark my words!!!!!!
They should have called it a "Red Letter Day."
I was thinking the same thing.
10,000 times faster internet connected to the particle collider? Sure making it easy for this thing when it inevitably becomes self-aware.
I see you are a Pet Shop Boys fan, too!
nice
CERN Large Hadron Collider Product (RED)
I don't care how well it erforms on D-day... it just sounds so bloody cool. Nobody else does red buttons!!!
This sounds fricken amazing..
Hopefully Verizon upgrades their FiOS to like 500 mb/s lol
@ gmdude66
500mb/s..? Some european countries are currently running 40gb/s to the curb..
let's be a bit more optimistic.. =]
Sounds snappy!
Bring it on! :D
LOL
Even the name "Red Button Day" sounds like a Black Mesa tag.
In other unrelated news, an MIT grad student named Gordon Freeman takes up a job offer in Geneva. When asked about what he thought of the new Large Hadron Collider:
"................."
They could transmit new internet data using black holes and contact the federation. (Maybe receive letters from home? Ensign kim will be happy.)
lol voyager!
It would be so fast that you would actually get your data 20 years ago, but hopefully whoever receives the data doesn't die before he has a chance to deliver it to you.
Isn't this sort of how Skynet started? Man, I need to start figuring out how to send Arnold Schwarzenegger back to the past to protect current me.
Save yourself a few bucks and get Michael Biehn instead. He should be looking for work right now.
The creators of the World Wide Web - create Internet 2
That would be Internet 2.0
Oh, but we already have internet2. I2 is a fiber network connecting research universities across the country...including mine...
I personally get 90mbps
when we think about the internet we have today 20 years from now it will be like thinking about the DynaTAC cellphone right now.
Don't we first have to invent holographic video before we can have holographic video conferencing?
That is an excellent point, by the way.
That's what the day before red button day is for. Duh!
I'm sorry but I couldn't just keep scrolling down past this comment.
Where have you people been the past decade?
Holographic 3D video has been around for awhile. No its not cheap. No its not portable, but its definitely a reality. Just not in the cute little watch-projectors you see in Star Wars.
There are plenty of examples on the internet, just search!
http://www.arena3d.com/tradeshow/holo.html
@Lowest Ranked
Is than an actual holographic projecter or just two parabolic mirrors with a rotating platform inside? I'm genuinely asking, I couldn't tell from the site.
Shit...skynet is that much closer to becoming self aware.
"Really fast pirating of the entire Nightmare on Elm Street series."
Would people still be watching this by the time this goes into implementation?
They've been working on the Grid for years now. Also of note is Internet2, which is stupid fast, but not as fast as the Grid.
The problem with those new internet ideas is that they include too little of aid in privacy and too much in the exact opposite.
So I'd rather stick with this if they can't be decent about it.
This is sooooooo amazing! good job CERN hurry up! when is the launch
date?
I am so ready to kneel on weird circular platform and say:
"What is thy bidding my master..."
Oh George Lucas how we want your vision to become real.
Where are they getting all the money to do all this stuff from?
private and EU goverment
I sure am glad i am not paying taxes in EU for something like this.
Looks to me like someone read a bit too many sci fi books.
@y3k.nik:
No, you're paying US taxes for other stupid (or scary) things, such as this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Zones_That_See.
@patsy
If you must know, I am paying Canadian taxes.
Anything strange on the go north of the border, or is my money actually going into health insurance for all?
@y3k.nik
with the current state of so-called "broadband" offered by Bell/Rogers in Canada, and the CRTC and the Minister of Industry refusing to investigate the ISP's throttling of both primary customers and wholesalers, i would be very happy if my canadian taxes were being invested in this.
1. http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/03/28/tech-netneutrality.html
2. http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/04/02/tech-bell.html
3. http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/04/04/tech-bell.html
Ok i mean blu ray disks, ok say we have Ttb of flash memory which can transfer at 100GB/s, using that as a buffer then transfer it onto a HD. sorted then i can dance with my 100s of HD 4x HD films.
Why bother download and storing if you could just download them any time you needed them.. I'd rather not have a hard drive or have to burn cd/dvd/bluray discs.. Leave all that crap online and just let me connect to it when i need it..
And I still got dialup.
woww, step into the 21st century kid
Can you even view engadget or must you pull up engadget mobile?
I am there with ya! Dial-up sucks, but when you live in the country, its basically your only option other than satellite, which is worse than dial-up in many ways.
I have been looking at setting up an 80ft tower to see if I can reach a WISP in the nearest town.
That looks like they've decided to go with the lastest Turbo Encabulator. Finally!!!
The grid? Anyone else got a sudden urge to play Dreamfall?
Dreamfall was a pretty nice movie. (You just walk and things happen - i can't call it a game :) )
Actually it is true, that thing can create a black hole. A lot of scientists are worried about it and states are going to sue. Do you know that thing takes the energy of a city to power up? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/science/29collider.html
I imagine this to be like the internet/web from Ghost in the Shell. SOUNDS FRICKEN SWEET!!!!
I wonder if I'll live long enough to get my brain cyberized (17 atm) If I'm over 70 when this becomes available I'm sticking my brain into a Yoda body frame.
As long as it's not offered by Charter or Comcast, I'm in!
Wait, didn't Al Gore invent this?
2004 called, it wants its joke back.
I think (read: know) that they have actually been sapping the internet power from the rest of Switzerland, my 15mbps connection has been down to 3mbps all weekend :(
most people in the US would be happy to have 3.
:(
Imagine trying to download a movie at those speeds. I've experienced it!! it's craaaap
"Even if the hole phenomenon is not understood entirely"
"the "danger" they represent has been fully studied and they are not scared by those who knows what the **** is going"
How exactly does one study all the dangers of something not fully understood.
what an interesting little debate this started. Interestingly enuf i also know a decent amount about this project. Mainly because I'm having to research it, and I'm a physics major and all(i admit I'm only a junior so i may be shaky on some of it). so please, don't quote an planned experiment at me that i already know about. The issue at hand is the inadvertent creation of black holes. Which is as i said, bullshit.
Ask1001: I was answering to Flashpoint at first (didn't even see your reply before I submitted).
I am not exactly what you'd call an expert on the topic. I've graduated in Computer Science, so on the education level I don't know shit.
I've read a lot of magazines (from physics to pretty much anything non-women) and I know when the matter at end is bullshit and when it's not. Blackholes-as-dangerous is bullshit. I was NOT totally speaking out of my ass, but my knowledge of the topic is limited. The fact that there was already black holes created was shared to me by a fellow physicists (and the mathematics that followed). I'll check elsewhere but I was trusting him enough to put this forward in a discussion.
My real point stay anyway: don't throw scandals and FUD around on matters where people that know what they are talking aren't afraid of.
The reason this net is built (which is COTS 10G WDM tech connected by COTS 10G routers like the Cisco GSR 12400 series and Juniper T Series, nothing fancy really, just seems fast compared to DSL and cable ) is solely politics.
The CERN people wantwantwant this to go over separate lines because they are not supposed to use Internet bandwidth over Geant to do this. And why is that so?
Well, a bunch of reasons:
1. There has been this trend to build new fancy WDM systems operated by the academic networking communities for some years now. So there is an infrastructure capable of doing it.
2. The markup on using separate lines for Very Important Research Projects is enormous compared to the often "GE to the desktop" -class commodity Internet in the research world. So what do you think pleople use? How many of these 10G optical channels are being provisioned when there is an "internet" channel going the same path at 20% capacity?
3. Because Internet research has its fair share of QOS-hugging bellheads the notion of running different kinds of data on the same connection without policing is unheard of. Can't be done. Theoretically impossible, like Ethernet was, until the world proved it possible. (Then the bellheads invented ATM. Some people never learn)
4. Because it is Important that this Important Data goes the right way, one must resort to stupid tricks in BGP to get it down the right path. Or one could force people to forego routing at all by using these unutilised WDM lines.
Go figure. Metcalfe's Law is unheard of in these matters.
They need only look to my stomache for a black hole. :/
But can it support Crysis?
The system... will be switched on when the Large Hadron Collider is activated, on what the group is calling "Red Button Day."
So I can have all the world's porn stream before my eyes, as the LHC rips a new one in the fabric of space-time
That sounds like fairly dangerous thing to try and create black holes. Is there some sort of size threshold where these ultra-small blackholes might continue to expand instead of collapse? I don't like the idea of experimenting with black holes. Scientists are really getting funded for this type of research? As dangerous as black holes are, what would be the purpose of creating them for kicks?
"the grid" suddenly reeks of "The Matrix"
and... "Red Button Day" suddenly reeks of "Judgement Day" when Skynet went self-aware. >.>;
Scared, nah? Not a bit.
Now, where to build my damn bunker?
Build it on the roof.
I demand all european research funds be diverted to CERN (aswell as all the farming subsidies et.c). We need this yesterday!
Sounds amazing, but the RIAA and MPAA will try to kill this thing or prevent it from going to the citizens..
I bet my ping would STILL suck.
Isn't it funny how they always gauge speed in how fast you can download a movie? That shows piracy is fuelling the internet and without piracy nobody would bother getting past 1200baud and thousands of jobs would be lost and billions would be lost for manufacturers and ISP's and the terrorist would win!
just except for the online gaming industry.. because can u imagine being able to play with 100's of other people at the same time or maybe 1000's that would be freaking sweet
But does the button have EASY written on it?
hmmm.. maybe instead of making the entire tear in the space time fabric, it will say
"That Was Easy"
Yep, millions of $$$ well spent alright!
Al Gore's been busy creating the new and improved internet.
Am I the only one who first read that as "large hardon collider"?
Wait a minute... This is a picture of the NEW internet? Its just another series of tubes like the old internet. Why didn't they try the flatbed truck version this time? These engineers are friggin idiots, no skills at all. No way I'm using this version of the Wide World of Webernet!!! Where do you even put the crystals?
we'd need lots of pr0n to clog these tubes...