That video we saw the other day of two iPod touches
running a networked Quake 3 deathmatch sent ripples through the iPod / iPhone community. Those of you doubting the authenticity of the clip can probably put some fears to bed, as GameCyte has gotten a hold of the programmers, and they make it fairly clear it wasn't some elaborate hoax. According to developers Cameron and Marcia Tofer of Hermitworks, they managed to get the game up and running on the touches in, "Between eight and twelve hours," using jail-broken units, no official SDK, and modified code that added basic accelerometer support. The game in the video is being hosted on one of the devices and played over a local network -- and the Tofers claim that running a full 64-player match wouldn't be out of the question. Unfortunately, there aren't any plans to make this demo public, as the team is working on original content for the platform. So... email petition anyone?
posted Apr 9th 2008 9:50AM
holy crap!
If the devs bring the games, Apple could have an insanely great gaming platform on it's hands.
This kind of network gaming will be awesome and convenient with bonjour.
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Apple makes gadgets too. Engadget covers all gadgets. Your bias against one particular company is kinda annoying.
Fan boys are fine, because "Evangelists" are positive, not negative.
Negativity for no reason = Static
My 2 cents anyway
If they make FPS games playable over the internet - with leaderboards - I am so dropping my Blackberry for the iPhone.
If the devs bring the games, Apple could have an insanely great gaming platform on it's hands.
This kind of network gaming will be awesome and convenient with bonjour.
Though, honestly, I LOVE my iPhone, but I think it would be awesome to have these games placed on both the iPhone, Blackberry, and the Treos. See which platform (OSX Mobile, Windows Mobile, and Palm (7?) would be the best gaming platform)
but can it play call of duty 4?
ATT might start to re-think their choice of unlimited data in all of the iPhone plans.
Come on, two articles for this yawn-fest?
A quick search (unsurprisingly) reveals none for the Dell Axim X50v being able to run this.
I guess I should remember who pays the bills here.
What the hell is a Dell Axim X50v?
In all honesty, I'm simply amazed the iPhone can run anything that remotely looks like QUAKE 3 - which was able to bring my Pentium 2 450 mhz to its knees - but I already recognize that playing games on iphone of this type would be NOTHING like playing on the PC.
Furthermore, games like DOOM and QUAKE are pick up and play diversions. Nothing that can truly hold your attention for hours upon hours - in this form, that problem would only be compunded.
I just think IT LOOKS COOL !
"I guess I should remember who pays the bills here."
What's AOL Time Warner got to do with this?
@ KarlW
It's TimeWarner now....welcome to 2002/3
And I think they mean Apple gives them all the hits and therefore pays the bills by bringing all the visitors to Engadget
Nobody has the Dell Axim X50v, a lot of people have the iphone, itouch. This isn't just about gaming on mobile platforms it's also about hacking the iphone/itouch. This will be a much better platform than the Dell Axim X50v because people actually own them and know what they are.
And yet I can't find a single video on the web showing a Dell Axim playing Quake 3.
Why is that?
If the devs bring the games, Apple could have an insanely great gaming platform on it's hands.
This kind of network gaming will be awesome and convenient with bonjour.
Stupid auto-complete password thing! Grrrr!
you couldn't imagine playing a racing game on a device that can behave exactly like a steering wheel? /boggle
tilt forward back for gas/brake reverse, tilt left right to steer. throw in a button for handbrake, maybe a couple more for shifting. done.
Sports is a little more challenging - but not insurmountable if you drop your preconceived notions of how they look and behave. You probably won't get NBA Live right away, but there's no reason you couldn't reasonably recreate old-school Bird vs Dr J, mature the controls and grow from that.
SPAMMER! Jk...
The only problem with the gaming platform would be the limited set of genres. Think of playing Sports games or racing games on the iPhone....nah rather not. I think for the most part FPS and puzzle games are the only genres that could really take hold with the iPhone's accelerometer. Puzzle games play well with the touch screen too.
I never doubted it...if my old Axim x50v could run it 4 years ago, I kinda would expect the iPhone to be able to. Accelerometer support I would imagine is rather trivial since the code exists already to use it as an input device, and multiplayer even moreso.
A PETITION? To do what? You want to petition these guys because they won't release all of their hard work to the public for free? Give me a break.
I think they want a petition so that the developers work a little more on that to make it available to the general public....nobody said it has to be free....dont jump to conclusions
Yeah, I should have assumed that his suggested e-mail petition was a "let us give you money for your hack of someone else's game" petition.
You mean u dont want him to release his hard work for free and you wanna complain if he asks to be paid?
How about "I wanna play Q3A on my iPod Touch" petition??
Complain about them asking to be paid...? I never said that...
I just don't think they should be PETITIONED at all, since it is made very clear in the article that the team plans to use this work as a launch pad for original content. There is a reason behind their unwillingness to release, and getting a bunch of iPhone users to annoy them doesn't seem like a legitimate course of action. Get it now?
But..but...WE WANNA PLAY Q3A on the Touch!!!! :)
so what, they spent a little time hacking to get it to work? I wouldnt pay them crap for that. they didnt write the game. Im thinkin the actual game took a crapload more work than the what... 8 hours it took to hack the iphone. Dont worry public... if they got it to run, its only a short matter of time before someone else does. BAM! Put that in your pipe and smoke it >:O
Does Engadget endorse software piracy?
If apple takes note of this in the next iteration of the iPhone then could it could kill the PSP & DS while making gaming to mobile devices popular
I doubt a £269 + £630 subscription device will be killing the £99 DS any time soon. Especially without any tactical, physical buttons to control the games.
Have you noticed how the latest Wii games (Mario Kart, Smash Bros.) are best played with a Gamecube controller?
my buttons are strategical
There's no way the iPhone will replace the PSP or DS, namely because of the cost difference
You can get the iPod Touch for £199 without contract then, and there will probably be a successor selling for £99 in 2 or 3 years. In my view the big issue are the controls. You can't tilt everything.
Never fear, guys. There are others working on it. They will release it similarly to how ioquake3 does and let you copy the pak0.pak file from the official CD to get it working.
Wait - a petition for the developers to release a pirated work that's still very much under copyright by id software?
I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to release it!
If you own a Q3A cd, the hack to play it on the iPod Touch would not qualify as piracy.....remember the thousands of NES simulators out there? :)
Mind you the source code to the Q3A engine was released under the GPL by Id back in 2005. And if this iPhone implementation were made public, it would be a bring-your-own-game-data affair, just like all Doom implementations.
This is all 100% legit.
Not to mention you could just use the OpenArena content instead.
The iPhone and Quake III
Vaseline is Handy
Jerks are Forever
what is with you iPhone fanboys? every chance you get, you turn a perfectly non iphone related topic into a forum for iphone chatter. this is about the TOUCH. yeah, go ahead and say they're just trying to clone the iphone, but how many things do you know that have a full touchscreen that aren't going to look similar to the iphone, huh? not many.
i spent around 1 minute too many on that last post that took me 30 seconds to write.
What are you trying to say here? The iPhone an iPod Touch run pretty much the same OS. It's just that the iPhone can call people (and some other small differences). They can both run the same software. No one really cares about clones since they're both Apple products.
If this is about the just the touch, then why are there two iPhones pictured in the story?
it was a dark day, cold as a dead man's touch. a frozen dead man to be exact. like totally immersed in liquid nitrogen. so what i'm saying was, it was cold.
anonymoose stepped to the door as a stoic father and tearful mother looked on.
"son...i...well...take care," father said, trying to conceal the emotions that threatened his composure.
"i will dad," young, brave and handsome anonymoose responded. "you too."
unable to hold back the tears, mother wailed, "oh son! the best son in the world!" *anonymoose's siblings all cry* "i already miss you! it's dangerous out there!"
"i'll be ok, mom," anonymoose said courageously.
"well," she sniffed, "at least take these." she grabbed a well worn [\sarcasm] out from the cupboard and pressed it into anonymoose's strong hands.
anonymoose gazed at the sarcasm tags she looked to pass on to him. he looked long and hard and pushed them back into her loving hands. "no, mom. i have to do this without them. i'll be ok. you take these sarcasm tags and you guard them with all your might. i'll be fine."
how wrong he was. he shoud have taken them. that handsome genius awesome fool should have taken them. he'd need it in the cold world that is the internet.
Too much Max Payne?
I think he thinks this is about the HTC touch. Haha!!
mother of pearl, when will iphones and touches come equppied with sarcasm detectors?
oh, and by the by, neobond, those be touches in the pictures.
Neobond, they are actually ipod touches.
*reads cheng's post then reads post directly above that - notices time difference between posts - gets confused - does what anonymoose does whenever he gets confused*
yomomma is so fat not even Jesus can lift her spirits?
Just need to say... WOW
sure, but does it play doom?
...crap, it does ( http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/11/apples-iphone-yes-it-plays-doom/ )
But will it blend?
Yes, it does (http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone)
Niiiice.
Or... £200 and no contract (£150 if you go the eBay way). Doesn't seem so unreasonable now, especially considering how much the specs outclass the DS, eh? With all the puffing and blowing about the iPhone, everyone seems to forget the Touch is exactly the same machine sans the phone bits.
I agree on the lack of physical buttons being annoying, but there's plenty of things you could do to get around that problem - just look at Ninja Gaiden DS, for example.
How'd my comment get down here? That was meant to be @Rich.
I do not know if any of you with jailbroken phones have tried out Yeti3D, but it controls the exact same way and I have gotta say, it is horrible. Just watch how the guy in the video cannot manage to hit his buddy. This method of control does not work. It is a fun tech demo, but impractical. It is both too sensitive and not sensitive enough.
I am not saying that it could not be done with some enhancements. Maybe somebody will figure out how to make it great. Or maybe we just need to practice awhile.
Now where is my WarioWare...
I reckon... 2 weeks and we'll see a joystick / control pad for the iPhone / iTouch.
I doubt it will be that soon, but it is inevitable. Once Apple realizes the potential here, I think they will allow selected developers to access the dock connector or bluetooth for this purpose.
no no, i mean homebrew of course!! :D
I used to play video games and I would say it'll be fun for the first two weeks until they hack it and aimbots start flowing in. People just can't get good the old fashion way: with practice and determination. I'm actually in favor of these guys going the "official" route through the SDK, that way there is more of a possibility of protecting it for a little bit longer.
dude. this is how we're going to sound when we get old and start bashing the young people.
AIMbots are quite rare. I play video games constantly. On this generation of consoles hacks are very rare online. Its obvious your blaming your lack of skill on people cheating, who in all reality aren't cheating, they are just better than you.
I'm not talking about consoles, I'm talking about games that come out on the PC platform like quake, unreal tournament and Wolfenstein. It's easier to hack those because of the platform they are built on. I agree, it's much more rare on consoles.
When you get really good at a game it's easy to tell who's cheating. I know most beginners will accuse everyone of cheating. I have respect for people who are better than me.
Wait a sec. The source code they ported is open source - under the GPL license. ID released the source, free for use under the terms of the GPL. If these guys port the code and then release their own content based on the ID source, they are obligated to release their source. A lot of dumb comments in the thread above so far (junk about how 'they won't release all their hard work for free!') by people who obviously know nothing about homebrew / open development / or porting of IDs software in the past. It is either GPL - or they pay $$$ to license it from ID. One or the other.
In any event, good work by these guys - but nothing miraculous and when this happens on other platforms - they release it!
>>Unfortunately, there aren't any plans to make this demo public, as the team is working on original content for the platform. So... email petition anyone?
Since when is 'working on original content for the platform.' an excuse not to take 10 minutes and release the source code???
Anyways, I expect to hear their news release about their paying $$$ to ID for licensing the software for their own content, or else they better release the source. Only other alternative is they use it by themselves 'for fub' to create games they have no intention of releasing.
c'mon!
if you are not going to use it, open source it, let us play with it!
ok, its not that useful but its a cool tech demo.
they better release that game to the public. I love quake III
uhh, i believe quake III was released to the public. like, uh, in december of 1999.
ok im seriously pissed off! i want quake 3 on my iphone right now! i would pay $$$$ for it!!!!!!! and im sure lots of people would! please lets figure out a way to get them to release quake 3 for the iphone!!!!!
ok im seriously pissed off! i want quake 3 on my iphone right now!
Wow. I'd hate to see what you're like if anything actually bad ever happened.
Without tactical feedback, the iphone and ipod touch are NOT good gaming platforms.
and that whole not having buttons thing might pose a problem too.
There are buttons, but it remains to be seen if games will be able to utilize them. The iPhone has the main button, a vol up and a vol down button, the mute switch and the lock button on top. I imagine the vol up and down buttons would be good for changing weapons, don't know if it's possible to use them that way though.
Well, you could just make the touch screen the buttons, the left side of the screen would act as a left analog stick, the right would act as a right analog stick, the bottom of the screen could be jump, the top switch weapons, and uhhhh.... crap... this doesn't work as good as I thought...
TACTICAL feedback? Really? ...You're suggesting the iPhone and iPod Touch ought to come with, what, General Petraeus' review of your Q3A skills?
i was referring to being able to feel an actual control pad and set of buttons. i've tried the NES emu for the iphone, it doesn't feel right...or like anything, actually.
They could create a small handheld docking station with tactile buttons. You could make it small enough that you'd probably be able to keep it under the size of the DS. Although I'd wait till the new iPhone comes out, since it'll probably be a different size.
I put more hours into Quake 3 than any other game I've ever played. So I would really, really want to try this on my iPhone! The controls are probably a bitch but it still be a blast.
I could never get the hang of gaming on my cell phones--from my Nokias and Blackjacks to my iPhone--I just can't get my sausage fingers to work with the button layouts. The first company to offer a BT game controller for the iPhone gets my money.
I don't see how the iPhone has the hardware to run this... even at 480x272 or whatever the resolution is. Anyone care to explain?
And I thought running ZQuake on my Treo was cool (it still is, screw you guys).
But... Where's Duke Nukem!?
Engadget is a secret corporation that harvests us for our ideas through page comments, then sells them to Nokia, Samsung, Apple... the list goes on.
Or, they should be.
Meh....I've been playing Quake (the original.) on my Pocket PC since 2001. Of course though its iPhone bitch so its immediately better.
Defensive idiots are defensive. It's "better" because it's Quake 3 Arena... not Quake ONE. Are you not seeing the difference there studcakes? Nobody said it was "better" because it's on an iPhone (or a Touch). That was all in your head. Seek counseling.
It should be a crime to not release this...
excuse me....Jordan many ppl have the Dell Axim X50v and in fact the iphone/ipod touch is pretty sad given it can play Q3A now when the X50v could play Q3A in 2005 and Christien Rioux (the dev who made Q3 for pocket pc) actually released it right after he finished it so all of us humble ppc and X50v owners could show it off unlike this dumbass dev hu is just teasing u guys cuz trust me he has no plans on a public release...people just didnt notice the x50v much when it played Q3A because it wasnt as glamourous and shiny as the iphone/ipod touch...and IMHO my bro has an iphone and to tell u the truth it aint that great
m1k3
her eyes said no but her lips said yes