Following up
yesterday's trash talk with a little action,
NVIDIA has disclosed plans to create a sub-$45 processing platform which the GPU-maker is calling, "The World's Most Affordable Vista Premium PC." The architecture will combine VIA's
Isaiah processor with an integrated NVIDIA graphics chipset, which the company claims outperforms Intel's Celeron-based, 945 IGP/ICH4 setup handily. Apparently, the combo is capable of 36 GFLOPS versus Intel's 6.4GFLOPS -- which we shouldn't have to tell you is a
ton of GFLOPS. We're excited about the prospect of better performance in an integrated chipset (we've all suffered at the hands of the GMA950), but we don't want to see this end in a back-alley knife fight. Keep your cool, guys.
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Chebwa @ Apr 11th 2008 11:51AM
I hope these morons realize that Intel hasn't REALLY thrown it's hat into the ring yet. They made a few statements but they are far from putting forth their best effort.
Once they really put themselves in the game, this performance gap is going to close very quickly. I like Nvidia, but... shut up, guys.
zunq @ Apr 11th 2008 11:56AM
Competition is good, if Nvidia hadn't done it then Intel wouldn't have to innovate any sooner.
Anyway I'd like to see this inside smaller laptops, as most desktops(and bigger laptops) can be equipped with dedicated cards anyway.
abib @ Apr 11th 2008 11:56AM
I don't think NVIDIA should shut up. Show more hatred, give 'em a good round kick and INTEL, don't be a wuss.. fight back!
it's only good for us, the customers.
John P @ Apr 11th 2008 11:57AM
Seriously, there is nothing better than this for you and me. nVidia feels pressure from a big competitor, they innovate and create a very inexpensive integrated chipset. So Intel has to work a little harder to compete, prices drop some, everything is good for the consumer. If AMD isn't bringing the heat anymore, let nvidia be the one to do it.
Chebwa @ Apr 11th 2008 12:30PM
Oh no, don't misunderstand me. I LOVE this integrated graphic battle, I think integrated graphics are going to be absolutely HUGE in the coming years. Discrete cards are going to be niche products, I think.
I just think Nvidia, who is obviously completely devoted to graphics, needs to stop putting itself over when doing comparisons with another company who has barely even entered their arena yet. The gloves aren't even on yet and Nvidia is throwing punches. It's just stupid and extremely unprofessional.
Brian! @ Apr 11th 2008 12:54PM
Oh, I like the crazy youthful attacks from NVidia. Intel could probably knock them around hard, but I bet they won't. Just enough to hold market share.
Go Underdog!
Johan S @ Apr 11th 2008 12:56PM
nVidia should NOT shut up? It's called advertising. They need to tell us what their products do, so that we as consumers can be better informed. If Intel has some information to counteract this stuff .. they can let me know. I have no idea why you would tell them to shut up? If you designed a great product would you want to stay quiet about it .. and then not get good enough sales profit to help fund the next iteration of technology development?
Johan S @ Apr 11th 2008 12:59PM
LOL. I really screwed up the punctuation on my posting above?
Anyway, I was saying that nVidia should NOT shut up!
Chebwa @ Apr 11th 2008 1:01PM
Johan, you miss the point entirely. Comparing your company's flagship efforts in integrated graphics to a competitor - WHO ISN'T REALLY EVEN COMPETING YET - is unprofessional and unfair. Hell, when 360 launched, was it comparing itself to the PS2? No, and if it had, it would have been damn lame. Just like this.
Kamokazi @ Apr 11th 2008 1:03PM
Discrete cards are already niche products. I would be willing to bet 80-90% or so of desktops out there run off integrated graphics. Just think about your family and friends, their home computers and their computers at work, and count how many have discrete graphics.
More and more it looks like we're going to have 3 big GPU AND CPU makers, and that GPUs and CPUs will become more closely tied together. I'd be willing to bet we'll see a nVidia/VIA acquisition/merger/alliance, and hopefully that would mean we'd start to see a 3rd company really get into x86 CPU production. AMD is getting pretty far behind and I'm afraid of what will happen if Intel continues on without having to worry about significant competition.
Razor @ Apr 11th 2008 1:55PM
"WHO ISN'T REALLY EVEN COMPETING YET"
Lay off the caps Mr. Crocker. Claiming that Intel isn't competing yet shows a complete ignorance of history on this subject. Ever heard of the Intel 740 discrete graphics adapters? You think Intel has only made integrated gfxtheir entire existence?
Give me a break.
I have no problem with nVidia giving some to Intel. Competition is always good for the consumer. And honestly, Intel is owed some humiliation (I mean, naming their processors Extreme?!?).
Whether you like it or not, Intel already entered the ring, in the late 90s with the i740. They have been slapped around feature and performance wise ever since. If the make a new part that does better than ATI or nVidia, then the more power to them. Better for consumers.
If...
Chebwa @ Apr 11th 2008 1:59PM
I'm the ignorant one, and you really honestly believe that Intel is attempting to go going toe-to-toe with Nvidia right now? You have to be kidding. When Intel steps up to the plate, everybody is going to know about it. It won't be something 1/10th the power of their competitor, and you know that.
Razor @ Apr 11th 2008 2:06PM
Wow, you make it sound like Intel is some poor wounded animal that needs to be taken care of.
I'm sorry, but this is business. In graphics, Intel has been shipping sub-standard parts for a damn long time. Compare their integrated with nVidia's or ATi's. Next thing, you'll tell us that they haven't begun to compete in integrated as well =P
Where's my Kit-Kat bar?
Mr.Tech @ Apr 11th 2008 2:08PM
All I can say is that I'm loving this because I will be able to get better stuff at a damn decent price.
Razor @ Apr 11th 2008 2:09PM
"When Intel steps up to the plate, everybody is going to know about it."
Like Bitboys Glaze3D? Take some time and look that one up.
Until this magical Intel part comes out it is vapour.
aardvark sandwich @ Apr 11th 2008 11:52AM
Joe Swanson: "LETS DO IT!!!"
StreetStealth @ Apr 11th 2008 1:17PM
They just might do it.
1. AMD buys ATI.
2. Intel buys Nvidia? no... Nvidia buys VIA!
Could it happen? They said #1 wouldn't!
Husar @ Apr 11th 2008 11:52AM
36 GFlops... of processing power? graphics power?
what does the average computer do?
alur @ Apr 11th 2008 12:14PM
The 3870x2 does about 1 teraflop on its own.
Deputy Doffoos @ Apr 11th 2008 11:56AM
For the sake of all of us I hope they continue "to hate" Intel
rock99rock @ Apr 11th 2008 12:07PM
First you egg them on, now you tell them to cool off? Is it that time of the month already? :)
NHAnimator @ Apr 11th 2008 12:14PM
"we don't want to see this end in a back-alley knife fight."
We don't?
CraigJ @ Apr 11th 2008 12:38PM
It's fun until someone loses an eye... Then it's funner!
Podaman @ Apr 11th 2008 6:34PM
I killed a guy with a trident!
Kyle @ Apr 11th 2008 1:10PM
the proper term is "more gooder"
Josiah @ Jul 3rd 2008 6:28PM
fatal1ty!
apeguero @ Apr 11th 2008 12:15PM
I'd love to see this new tech used in UMPCs like the eee. Hell, just when I was eyeballing that new Intel Classmate Ultra-portable laptop or new eee, now I'll have to hang on for a couple of months to see if nVidia walks the walk. I hate Intel's integrated graphics chipset.
Wisam @ Apr 14th 2008 12:25AM
and how doesn't hate GMA ! You buy a laptop and you are stuck with sub-par chipset that can barely load videos and mediocre 3D power. I bought a Pocket PC and it is even worse!
Hell, let's nVIDIA come and teach intel a lesson or two. I would love to see something like this come to Eee, UMPC or pocket phone -less power consumption and more processing power and cheaper prices-. Who doesn't like that really?
techFTW @ Apr 11th 2008 12:21PM
w00t!
This kinda thing can only be good for us consumers :) Cheap laptop's have been crippled by those damn gma950 integrated graphics sets for too long :D
strang @ Apr 11th 2008 12:23PM
Now only if the NVIDIA - VIA deal goes through. We'd have some real good competition in the scene.
Intel
AMD
and now NVIDIA
All competing on the same level (chipset + CPU + GPU).
Rollins @ Apr 11th 2008 12:35PM
I don't know how I feel about that. In such a scenario, I could see interoperability between competitors' CPUs and GPUs going out the window. Therefore, you might have NVidia with the best GPUs but the weakest CPUs (given Via's track record) while Intel's are the other way around, with no way to mix and match.
I feel like linking CPUs and GPUs is unnecessary - it would just result in possibly having to make unnecessary compromises.
Unless it only applied to lower-end integrated graphics, in which case I'm all for it. For the gamer, though, separate GPU and CPU components are still preferable.
Dave @ Apr 11th 2008 12:26PM
This comes from a company that charges $600 for video cards!
aardvark sandwich @ Apr 11th 2008 1:12PM
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Ruben @ Apr 11th 2008 2:49PM
They also charge 150 dollars for really really good video cards (9600GT).
Is there a problem with product levels now?
Rofl @ Apr 26th 2008 1:09AM
Just went to Frys, where intel charges $1500 for their 500 million transistor chip on a 45nm process. Compare that to $600 for a 1billion transistor chip on a process that has a lower yield, plus the pc board, the memory, the packaging, and the manufacturing. Who's the bigger scrooge?
Miami Diver @ Apr 11th 2008 12:27PM
Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate!!!!!!
!!! @ Apr 11th 2008 12:39PM
Love, love, love, love!!!!
(It's spring. Why not?)
xynthx @ Apr 11th 2008 12:40PM
Kefka?
rcappo @ Apr 11th 2008 12:27PM
Is there going to be a DVI/HDMI model? For people who want to use a 1080p LCD HDTV as their monitor, it makes the picture better. Once you use a 37" LCD or larger screen as your monitor, it is tough to go back to a 9" - 17" LCD. But it is much easier carrying around the smaller screen.
SimonRichards @ Apr 11th 2008 3:14PM
You can most likely get DVI/HDMI through the headers on the board + adaptor.
gabe @ Apr 11th 2008 12:36PM
nerd fight!!!!
We need more of this smack talk in other industries : I for one would love more smack talk in the drug industry. This gives u a better high - his shit is Wak! Woot!
STNC @ Apr 11th 2008 12:39PM
Pretty cool, I am looking for a cheap computer for my car, and this would be a good start
Crayola @ Apr 11th 2008 2:17PM
Never really got this Car-puter thing, is it really that urgent to check your email, update your spreadsheet, finish off that report, surf porn, play Warcraft, while you are in your car?
Ruben @ Apr 11th 2008 4:57PM
No, but it can be urgent to use a GPS with the extremely high quality images from Google Maps or Live Maps, use some street views to find your location, link it to hundreds of gigabytes of music stored on the hard drive, along with the ability to play movies for kids in the back, and when your going on a trip and decide to make a pit-stop, you can do some stuff that you couldnt do with a standard deck.
A computer in a car isnt like your desktop. Its tailored for things that make sense to a car. For example, you can even install engine monitoring software which links up to your ECU (if your in to modding your car) which can give you live information about whats going on in your ECU, and can let you change maps on the fly.
And theres really good software which makes everything work with a dual-din touchscreen. Its actually just like a high-end nav system, except much cheaper, and much, much more capable.
MoshPitvet @ Apr 11th 2008 12:40PM
Thats it, no more. Time to stop buying anything computer related. LOL
Edward @ Apr 11th 2008 12:52PM
In Soviet Russia, integrated chipset is you.
Pavan @ Apr 11th 2008 1:40PM
Don't you mean
"In Soviet Russia, chipset intigrates you?"
El_Shiv @ Apr 11th 2008 12:52PM
Bugs to Elmer: Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home?
Daffy: Shoot him now shoot him now.
Bugs: You keep out of this, He doesn't have to shoot you now.
Daffy: I say he does too have to shoot me now.. so Shoot me now!
Bang!
Wizzard1 @ Apr 11th 2008 12:53PM
Sure, 36 GFLOPS is great, but what if that will be really usable? I know a great chunk will not be x86!!
Who's going to make all the software to program those "+8" cores to do something other than draw polygons and encode/decode video?
Ayle @ Apr 11th 2008 2:15PM
What the hell are you talking about? The isaiah is a x86 cpu...