Following up
yesterday's trash talk with a little action,
NVIDIA has disclosed plans to create a sub-$45 processing platform which the GPU-maker is calling, "The World's Most Affordable Vista Premium PC." The architecture will combine VIA's
Isaiah processor with an integrated NVIDIA graphics chipset, which the company claims outperforms Intel's Celeron-based, 945 IGP/ICH4 setup handily. Apparently, the combo is capable of 36 GFLOPS versus Intel's 6.4GFLOPS -- which we shouldn't have to tell you is a
ton of GFLOPS. We're excited about the prospect of better performance in an integrated chipset (we've all suffered at the hands of the GMA950), but we don't want to see this end in a back-alley knife fight. Keep your cool, guys.
posted Apr 11th 2008 11:47AM
I hope these morons realize that Intel hasn't REALLY thrown it's hat into the ring yet. They made a few statements but they are far from putting forth their best effort.
Once they really put themselves in the game, this performance gap is going to close very quickly. I like Nvidia, but... shut up, guys.
Competition is good, if Nvidia hadn't done it then Intel wouldn't have to innovate any sooner.
Anyway I'd like to see this inside smaller laptops, as most desktops(and bigger laptops) can be equipped with dedicated cards anyway.
I don't think NVIDIA should shut up. Show more hatred, give 'em a good round kick and INTEL, don't be a wuss.. fight back!
it's only good for us, the customers.
Seriously, there is nothing better than this for you and me. nVidia feels pressure from a big competitor, they innovate and create a very inexpensive integrated chipset. So Intel has to work a little harder to compete, prices drop some, everything is good for the consumer. If AMD isn't bringing the heat anymore, let nvidia be the one to do it.
Oh no, don't misunderstand me. I LOVE this integrated graphic battle, I think integrated graphics are going to be absolutely HUGE in the coming years. Discrete cards are going to be niche products, I think.
I just think Nvidia, who is obviously completely devoted to graphics, needs to stop putting itself over when doing comparisons with another company who has barely even entered their arena yet. The gloves aren't even on yet and Nvidia is throwing punches. It's just stupid and extremely unprofessional.
Oh, I like the crazy youthful attacks from NVidia. Intel could probably knock them around hard, but I bet they won't. Just enough to hold market share.
Go Underdog!
nVidia should NOT shut up? It's called advertising. They need to tell us what their products do, so that we as consumers can be better informed. If Intel has some information to counteract this stuff .. they can let me know. I have no idea why you would tell them to shut up? If you designed a great product would you want to stay quiet about it .. and then not get good enough sales profit to help fund the next iteration of technology development?
LOL. I really screwed up the punctuation on my posting above?
Anyway, I was saying that nVidia should NOT shut up!
Johan, you miss the point entirely. Comparing your company's flagship efforts in integrated graphics to a competitor - WHO ISN'T REALLY EVEN COMPETING YET - is unprofessional and unfair. Hell, when 360 launched, was it comparing itself to the PS2? No, and if it had, it would have been damn lame. Just like this.
Discrete cards are already niche products. I would be willing to bet 80-90% or so of desktops out there run off integrated graphics. Just think about your family and friends, their home computers and their computers at work, and count how many have discrete graphics.
More and more it looks like we're going to have 3 big GPU AND CPU makers, and that GPUs and CPUs will become more closely tied together. I'd be willing to bet we'll see a nVidia/VIA acquisition/merger/alliance, and hopefully that would mean we'd start to see a 3rd company really get into x86 CPU production. AMD is getting pretty far behind and I'm afraid of what will happen if Intel continues on without having to worry about significant competition.
"WHO ISN'T REALLY EVEN COMPETING YET"
Lay off the caps Mr. Crocker. Claiming that Intel isn't competing yet shows a complete ignorance of history on this subject. Ever heard of the Intel 740 discrete graphics adapters? You think Intel has only made integrated gfxtheir entire existence?
Give me a break.
I have no problem with nVidia giving some to Intel. Competition is always good for the consumer. And honestly, Intel is owed some humiliation (I mean, naming their processors Extreme?!?).
Whether you like it or not, Intel already entered the ring, in the late 90s with the i740. They have been slapped around feature and performance wise ever since. If the make a new part that does better than ATI or nVidia, then the more power to them. Better for consumers.
If...
I'm the ignorant one, and you really honestly believe that Intel is attempting to go going toe-to-toe with Nvidia right now? You have to be kidding. When Intel steps up to the plate, everybody is going to know about it. It won't be something 1/10th the power of their competitor, and you know that.
Wow, you make it sound like Intel is some poor wounded animal that needs to be taken care of.
I'm sorry, but this is business. In graphics, Intel has been shipping sub-standard parts for a damn long time. Compare their integrated with nVidia's or ATi's. Next thing, you'll tell us that they haven't begun to compete in integrated as well =P
Where's my Kit-Kat bar?
All I can say is that I'm loving this because I will be able to get better stuff at a damn decent price.
"When Intel steps up to the plate, everybody is going to know about it."
Like Bitboys Glaze3D? Take some time and look that one up.
Until this magical Intel part comes out it is vapour.
36 GFlops... of processing power? graphics power?
what does the average computer do?
The 3870x2 does about 1 teraflop on its own.
Joe Swanson: "LETS DO IT!!!"
They just might do it.
1. AMD buys ATI.
2. Intel buys Nvidia? no... Nvidia buys VIA!
Could it happen? They said #1 wouldn't!
For the sake of all of us I hope they continue "to hate" Intel
Oh my! Computur chips, Doritos, Intel, Alltel.. it all makes little sense to me. It makes the tip of my nossel just spurt with discombobulation -- which is satisfying though.
So, I guess that makes this sub-$45 chip apple-pealing to me! Wish I knew what $45 meant however.
What the hell are you saying?
Worst Comment Ever!
If you don't know what any of this means what are you doing on a gadget site?
Oh my! Your comment is utterly confusing and ultimately says nothing! Oh and $45 means...$45! That "
Don't like, don't read. That's all I can say.
Actually, I could say more. *facepalms self*
Unfortunately, my previous comments will inevitably be read, so saying something like "Don't like, don't read" is idiotic.
I apologize for acting so immature. The first post was supposed to be done under a different account anyway, but I messed up. It hurts to be lowered in rank! :-(
First you egg them on, now you tell them to cool off? Is it that time of the month already? :)
Pretty cool, I am looking for a cheap computer for my car, and this would be a good start
Never really got this Car-puter thing, is it really that urgent to check your email, update your spreadsheet, finish off that report, surf porn, play Warcraft, while you are in your car?
No, but it can be urgent to use a GPS with the extremely high quality images from Google Maps or Live Maps, use some street views to find your location, link it to hundreds of gigabytes of music stored on the hard drive, along with the ability to play movies for kids in the back, and when your going on a trip and decide to make a pit-stop, you can do some stuff that you couldnt do with a standard deck.
A computer in a car isnt like your desktop. Its tailored for things that make sense to a car. For example, you can even install engine monitoring software which links up to your ECU (if your in to modding your car) which can give you live information about whats going on in your ECU, and can let you change maps on the fly.
And theres really good software which makes everything work with a dual-din touchscreen. Its actually just like a high-end nav system, except much cheaper, and much, much more capable.
nerd fight!!!!
We need more of this smack talk in other industries : I for one would love more smack talk in the drug industry. This gives u a better high - his shit is Wak! Woot!
"we don't want to see this end in a back-alley knife fight."
We don't?
It's fun until someone loses an eye... Then it's funner!
I killed a guy with a trident!
the proper term is "more gooder"
fatal1ty!
I'd love to see this new tech used in UMPCs like the eee. Hell, just when I was eyeballing that new Intel Classmate Ultra-portable laptop or new eee, now I'll have to hang on for a couple of months to see if nVidia walks the walk. I hate Intel's integrated graphics chipset.
and how doesn't hate GMA ! You buy a laptop and you are stuck with sub-par chipset that can barely load videos and mediocre 3D power. I bought a Pocket PC and it is even worse!
Hell, let's nVIDIA come and teach intel a lesson or two. I would love to see something like this come to Eee, UMPC or pocket phone -less power consumption and more processing power and cheaper prices-. Who doesn't like that really?
w00t!
This kinda thing can only be good for us consumers :) Cheap laptop's have been crippled by those damn gma950 integrated graphics sets for too long :D
I do not understand Nvidia's business approach here. Is there more going on beneath the surface netween Intel and Nvidia that we are not a party to?
AMD is well into ATI, for obvious reasons, so surely it behoves Nvidia to work well with Intel so that they share whatever technology they need to provide maximun compatibility and performance together. Then for sure they can compete also in the lower mid range graphics integrated chipsets etc. and Nvidia can also team with Via.
But for Nvidia to be openly hostile does not seem a good business execution at all. Whatever the ceo thinks Intel is not going to disappear and Nvidia will need to contimue to work with them for years to come.
Well, industry standards and anti-competitive law make it simply for nVidia to maintain compatibility with Intel technology. There isn't much a necessity for nVidia to kiss Intel's butt.
isayah + nvidia = dream
tx for pushing tech to everyone WITH QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE
Now only if the NVIDIA - VIA deal goes through. We'd have some real good competition in the scene.
Intel
AMD
and now NVIDIA
All competing on the same level (chipset + CPU + GPU).
I don't know how I feel about that. In such a scenario, I could see interoperability between competitors' CPUs and GPUs going out the window. Therefore, you might have NVidia with the best GPUs but the weakest CPUs (given Via's track record) while Intel's are the other way around, with no way to mix and match.
I feel like linking CPUs and GPUs is unnecessary - it would just result in possibly having to make unnecessary compromises.
Unless it only applied to lower-end integrated graphics, in which case I'm all for it. For the gamer, though, separate GPU and CPU components are still preferable.
This comes from a company that charges $600 for video cards!
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
They also charge 150 dollars for really really good video cards (9600GT).
Is there a problem with product levels now?
Just went to Frys, where intel charges $1500 for their 500 million transistor chip on a 45nm process. Compare that to $600 for a 1billion transistor chip on a process that has a lower yield, plus the pc board, the memory, the packaging, and the manufacturing. Who's the bigger scrooge?
Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate!!!!!!
Love, love, love, love!!!!
(It's spring. Why not?)
Kefka?
Is there going to be a DVI/HDMI model? For people who want to use a 1080p LCD HDTV as their monitor, it makes the picture better. Once you use a 37" LCD or larger screen as your monitor, it is tough to go back to a 9" - 17" LCD. But it is much easier carrying around the smaller screen.
You can most likely get DVI/HDMI through the headers on the board + adaptor.
nvidia already has cheap integrated graphics that are much better then GMA950...
geforce 6100..
geforce 7050 ( i think..)
they have good performances for the price! very good ones...
but i dont know if these ones got into laptops and such or only desktop
Thats it, no more. Time to stop buying anything computer related. LOL
In Soviet Russia, integrated chipset is you.
Don't you mean
"In Soviet Russia, chipset intigrates you?"
Bugs to Elmer: Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home?
Daffy: Shoot him now shoot him now.
Bugs: You keep out of this, He doesn't have to shoot you now.
Daffy: I say he does too have to shoot me now.. so Shoot me now!
Bang!
Sure, 36 GFLOPS is great, but what if that will be really usable? I know a great chunk will not be x86!!
Who's going to make all the software to program those "+8" cores to do something other than draw polygons and encode/decode video?
What the hell are you talking about? The isaiah is a x86 cpu...
I was referenceing the "+8" cores on the chipset, which must contribute a great deal of that 36GFLOP. I know the Isaiah is x86, but the 8 cores on the chipset are not.
Please understand the post before questioning it's validity.
The 36GFPS is mostly coming from the graphics processor, which is completely plausible.
CPU's don't offer that much in terms of GFPS, but graphics processors are monsters in that arena.
Damn, almost had me excited until they mentioned the "ISAIAH" CPU... That's kinda like Isaiah Thomas of the CPUs, ain't it?
Ah well... Still 36 GFLOPS for $45... (or 36 Beeeleeeon floating point ops). As a reference:
http://www.top500.org/2007_overview_recent_supercomputers/cray_inc_xmt
A Cray XT4 Cabinet does 36 GFLOPS.
If hating on Intel nets me a supercomputer like processing ability for pocket change, then I'm all for hate. Turn to the dark side!
I can do 36 B-FLOPS.. But I'm not sure how the out come with assist me in accomplishment.....
I am interested to see if it lives up to everything it promises. It looks pretty promising.
If intel comes up and offers 50% of the performance of a standalone GPU in the first few years it's more as an accomplishment, looking at how the CPU will probably cost pretty much less as the overpriced standalone GPU cards that we are fed since the last 10 years.
Heck a top of the line GFX card can cost you more as the rest of the system together which is laughable to say the least.
Nvidia is an expert at making graphics cards. There is absolutely no reason to believe Intel being the only one to offer a decent integrated solution. Nvidia and ATi will be right there with them. The real question is how good they are at the high end of the spectrum, and there is no evidence of them being any good at all (they failed miserably at making discrete graphics cards). High end graphics chips trickle their way down to the affordable models. Remember that.
And 600 dollar graphics cards do NOT go into 600 dollar PC's. In fact, with Extreme CPU's at the 1200 - 1600 dollar range, and high end MB's at the 300+ range, they are pretty much on par with alot of high end components that make their way into PC's.
Lets not forget DDR3 which is asking a 200-300 dollar premium over DDR2 (which can go for 30 bucks).
If you want to be a serious gamer, you need to have pretty much a top of the line GPU to experience what games have to offer, and for that you really don't need CPUs in the $1000 price range, but a $200-300 CPU will do just great and wont bottleneck any GPU.
Joke's on them if they go with VIA.
Intel's new G35 series of integrated graphics is still poo for gaming, but it is DX10 and does HDDVD/BluRay just fine.
I have a little asus board with HDMI and intel integrated and a Core 2 E8200 and it's outstanding for everything but gaming.
Competition like this is great for consumers. Myself, I do have a media center pc, but I'm not a PC gamer. B+ Graphics built in to the board would be awesome for me (and 97% of the public). I'm more concerned with keeping a computer cool, quiet and use low power.
I think we should just go back to the days of Math Co-processors! Yeah baby yeah!
On the real though it seems like having the cpu and gpu integrated into the same chip is an awesome idea. This would me faster communication between the two entities. The only thing i'm not looking forward to the heat issues that will surely arise!
I hope the don't do a k10 on intel and make intel get angry, cuz amd knows that you wont like when intel gets angry.
*intel rips off shirt becomes green makes conroe*
To Nvidia: Get that chipset in my Eee!!!
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease ! :)
I know competition is good... but damn do I wish one day for the Atom to make its way onto the Geforce chipset.... The holy fusion of smaller and smaller technology.
PS. Cloudbook too, please. ^__^
I'm really getting tired of everyone imitating mac's "Lol at my enemy" advertising strategy.
However, this would make me happy to see integrated mobos that can legally play BD movies -- that means I can make a nice clean Media Centre with BD capabilities..
The competing device from AMD I guess would be their Fusion processor; but that seems to take its time to come (or not)
Hooray! Bring back the NVidia/Via buyout rumors.
(Everybody chant) FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT.
Let's see some blood, by which I mean leaps in performance and lower costs. Don't let this end in a dance-off.
Sometimes I'm amused by the thought of whether Intel made moves just to put a fire underneath NVidia's butt to get them to move - a bit of industrial reverse psychology, if you will.
Intel: "We can make the best integrated graphics."
NVidia: "Oh yeah? Well, watch this!"
OK, maybe that didn't happen. But how do we know it didn't? Maybe Intel wanted NVidia to speed things up to aid in their competition against AMD/ATI, and this was the way they accomplished it. Because whatever all Intel said, it got NVidia's "goat" somethin' good. Now they're bustin' out the moves.
Who knows? All I can see here is that it's good for the industry. A little "fire" can take things a long way, which is also good for us, the consumers.
Cassini,
I highly doubt INTEL needs any help from NVIDIA to compete with AMD/ATI. There's hardly any real competition these days between the two CPU giants. However I do think the progression of CPU advancement has slowed. So maybe NVIDIA can stoke the flames of progression.