I hope these morons realize that Intel hasn't REALLY thrown it's hat into the ring yet. They made a few statements but they are far from putting forth their best effort.
Once they really put themselves in the game, this performance gap is going to close very quickly. I like Nvidia, but... shut up, guys.
Seriously, there is nothing better than this for you and me. nVidia feels pressure from a big competitor, they innovate and create a very inexpensive integrated chipset. So Intel has to work a little harder to compete, prices drop some, everything is good for the consumer. If AMD isn't bringing the heat anymore, let nvidia be the one to do it.
Oh no, don't misunderstand me. I LOVE this integrated graphic battle, I think integrated graphics are going to be absolutely HUGE in the coming years. Discrete cards are going to be niche products, I think.
I just think Nvidia, who is obviously completely devoted to graphics, needs to stop putting itself over when doing comparisons with another company who has barely even entered their arena yet. The gloves aren't even on yet and Nvidia is throwing punches. It's just stupid and extremely unprofessional.
Oh, I like the crazy youthful attacks from NVidia. Intel could probably knock them around hard, but I bet they won't. Just enough to hold market share.
nVidia should NOT shut up? It's called advertising. They need to tell us what their products do, so that we as consumers can be better informed. If Intel has some information to counteract this stuff .. they can let me know. I have no idea why you would tell them to shut up? If you designed a great product would you want to stay quiet about it .. and then not get good enough sales profit to help fund the next iteration of technology development?
Johan, you miss the point entirely. Comparing your company's flagship efforts in integrated graphics to a competitor - WHO ISN'T REALLY EVEN COMPETING YET - is unprofessional and unfair. Hell, when 360 launched, was it comparing itself to the PS2? No, and if it had, it would have been damn lame. Just like this.
Discrete cards are already niche products. I would be willing to bet 80-90% or so of desktops out there run off integrated graphics. Just think about your family and friends, their home computers and their computers at work, and count how many have discrete graphics.
More and more it looks like we're going to have 3 big GPU AND CPU makers, and that GPUs and CPUs will become more closely tied together. I'd be willing to bet we'll see a nVidia/VIA acquisition/merger/alliance, and hopefully that would mean we'd start to see a 3rd company really get into x86 CPU production. AMD is getting pretty far behind and I'm afraid of what will happen if Intel continues on without having to worry about significant competition.
Lay off the caps Mr. Crocker. Claiming that Intel isn't competing yet shows a complete ignorance of history on this subject. Ever heard of the Intel 740 discrete graphics adapters? You think Intel has only made integrated gfxtheir entire existence?
Give me a break.
I have no problem with nVidia giving some to Intel. Competition is always good for the consumer. And honestly, Intel is owed some humiliation (I mean, naming their processors Extreme?!?).
Whether you like it or not, Intel already entered the ring, in the late 90s with the i740. They have been slapped around feature and performance wise ever since. If the make a new part that does better than ATI or nVidia, then the more power to them. Better for consumers.
I'm the ignorant one, and you really honestly believe that Intel is attempting to go going toe-to-toe with Nvidia right now? You have to be kidding. When Intel steps up to the plate, everybody is going to know about it. It won't be something 1/10th the power of their competitor, and you know that.
Wow, you make it sound like Intel is some poor wounded animal that needs to be taken care of.
I'm sorry, but this is business. In graphics, Intel has been shipping sub-standard parts for a damn long time. Compare their integrated with nVidia's or ATi's. Next thing, you'll tell us that they haven't begun to compete in integrated as well =P
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Chebwa @ Apr 11th 2008 11:51AM
I hope these morons realize that Intel hasn't REALLY thrown it's hat into the ring yet. They made a few statements but they are far from putting forth their best effort.
Once they really put themselves in the game, this performance gap is going to close very quickly. I like Nvidia, but... shut up, guys.
zunq @ Apr 11th 2008 11:56AM
Competition is good, if Nvidia hadn't done it then Intel wouldn't have to innovate any sooner.
Anyway I'd like to see this inside smaller laptops, as most desktops(and bigger laptops) can be equipped with dedicated cards anyway.
abib @ Apr 11th 2008 11:56AM
I don't think NVIDIA should shut up. Show more hatred, give 'em a good round kick and INTEL, don't be a wuss.. fight back!
it's only good for us, the customers.
John P @ Apr 11th 2008 11:57AM
Seriously, there is nothing better than this for you and me. nVidia feels pressure from a big competitor, they innovate and create a very inexpensive integrated chipset. So Intel has to work a little harder to compete, prices drop some, everything is good for the consumer. If AMD isn't bringing the heat anymore, let nvidia be the one to do it.
Chebwa @ Apr 11th 2008 12:30PM
Oh no, don't misunderstand me. I LOVE this integrated graphic battle, I think integrated graphics are going to be absolutely HUGE in the coming years. Discrete cards are going to be niche products, I think.
I just think Nvidia, who is obviously completely devoted to graphics, needs to stop putting itself over when doing comparisons with another company who has barely even entered their arena yet. The gloves aren't even on yet and Nvidia is throwing punches. It's just stupid and extremely unprofessional.
Brian! @ Apr 11th 2008 12:54PM
Oh, I like the crazy youthful attacks from NVidia. Intel could probably knock them around hard, but I bet they won't. Just enough to hold market share.
Go Underdog!
Johan S @ Apr 11th 2008 12:56PM
nVidia should NOT shut up? It's called advertising. They need to tell us what their products do, so that we as consumers can be better informed. If Intel has some information to counteract this stuff .. they can let me know. I have no idea why you would tell them to shut up? If you designed a great product would you want to stay quiet about it .. and then not get good enough sales profit to help fund the next iteration of technology development?
Johan S @ Apr 11th 2008 12:59PM
LOL. I really screwed up the punctuation on my posting above?
Anyway, I was saying that nVidia should NOT shut up!
Chebwa @ Apr 11th 2008 1:01PM
Johan, you miss the point entirely. Comparing your company's flagship efforts in integrated graphics to a competitor - WHO ISN'T REALLY EVEN COMPETING YET - is unprofessional and unfair. Hell, when 360 launched, was it comparing itself to the PS2? No, and if it had, it would have been damn lame. Just like this.
Kamokazi @ Apr 11th 2008 1:03PM
Discrete cards are already niche products. I would be willing to bet 80-90% or so of desktops out there run off integrated graphics. Just think about your family and friends, their home computers and their computers at work, and count how many have discrete graphics.
More and more it looks like we're going to have 3 big GPU AND CPU makers, and that GPUs and CPUs will become more closely tied together. I'd be willing to bet we'll see a nVidia/VIA acquisition/merger/alliance, and hopefully that would mean we'd start to see a 3rd company really get into x86 CPU production. AMD is getting pretty far behind and I'm afraid of what will happen if Intel continues on without having to worry about significant competition.
Razor @ Apr 11th 2008 1:55PM
"WHO ISN'T REALLY EVEN COMPETING YET"
Lay off the caps Mr. Crocker. Claiming that Intel isn't competing yet shows a complete ignorance of history on this subject. Ever heard of the Intel 740 discrete graphics adapters? You think Intel has only made integrated gfxtheir entire existence?
Give me a break.
I have no problem with nVidia giving some to Intel. Competition is always good for the consumer. And honestly, Intel is owed some humiliation (I mean, naming their processors Extreme?!?).
Whether you like it or not, Intel already entered the ring, in the late 90s with the i740. They have been slapped around feature and performance wise ever since. If the make a new part that does better than ATI or nVidia, then the more power to them. Better for consumers.
If...
Chebwa @ Apr 11th 2008 1:59PM
I'm the ignorant one, and you really honestly believe that Intel is attempting to go going toe-to-toe with Nvidia right now? You have to be kidding. When Intel steps up to the plate, everybody is going to know about it. It won't be something 1/10th the power of their competitor, and you know that.
Razor @ Apr 11th 2008 2:06PM
Wow, you make it sound like Intel is some poor wounded animal that needs to be taken care of.
I'm sorry, but this is business. In graphics, Intel has been shipping sub-standard parts for a damn long time. Compare their integrated with nVidia's or ATi's. Next thing, you'll tell us that they haven't begun to compete in integrated as well =P
Where's my Kit-Kat bar?
Mr.Tech @ Apr 11th 2008 2:08PM
All I can say is that I'm loving this because I will be able to get better stuff at a damn decent price.
Razor @ Apr 11th 2008 2:09PM
"When Intel steps up to the plate, everybody is going to know about it."
Like Bitboys Glaze3D? Take some time and look that one up.
Until this magical Intel part comes out it is vapour.