Yup, another Apple store outage reveals yet another bump in product specs. This time, it's the iMac getting the treatment just as
Geeksugar and our own sources predicted -- on a Monday though instead of Apple's customary Tuesday morning approach. So what's new? Well, for starters you're now looking at the latest Core 2 Duo Penryn processors. For the same starting price of $1,199, you now get a 20-inch iMac with 2.4GHz proc, 128MB of ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT graphics, 1GB of memory and a 250GB 7200RPM disk. The top of the line 24-inch model now sports a 3.06GHz processor, 512MB of NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GS graphics, 2GB of memory, and a 320GB 7200rpm disk for $2,199. Rounding out the specs across the lineup are Bluetooth 2.1+EDR, 802.11n WiFi, Gigabit Ethernet, built-in iSight cam, and 5x USB 2.0 (which includes the 2x on tethered keyboard) and 1x Firewire 400 and 1x Firewire 800. Same size, same weight and available now... yes, right now.
posted Apr 28th 2008 8:29AM
YAY!
It can't play Crysis.
Therefore its nothing more than an overpriced LCD Monitor.
(you can low rank me, but, I don't care)
Hello I'm a Mac - and I'm a Pc
*MAC: So whats doing PC?
PC: Well I upgraded to 4gigs of RAM, a faster video card (not that you would need one) and a new sound card to replace my onboard one. How about you Mac?
*MAC: Ive been refreshing the Apple Store, hoping i get upgraded. Gee i Hate waiting to get upgraded.
^^ epic fail? perhaps!
You know, in a worldly perspective, not everyone is a hardcore gamer or a power user. Regardless of your needs, it's still a good solution for what you would expect that average home user would need a computer for.
Play Crysis? You do know the gaming market for PC in terms of actual people favors games like Mahjong, Hearts, and WoW, right?
All of which the 8800GS will do just fine on. But I guess it's just an overpriced LCD because it doesn't meet your needs and I suppose you were going to buy one right this instance if it did play Crysis. Guess Apple messed up again.
"You know, in a worldly perspective, not everyone is a hardcore gamer or a power user"
If apple is aiming for the "average home user" then maybe they should price their products accordingly. You don't need to spend 1200 dollars on a computer for web browsing. And people wonder why Apple doesn't gain significant market share.
@Jason
So you mean the $2,199 model that has the 8800GS? With $2,199 I could build a PC that could not only run Crysis and all the other games mention, but I would also have enough left over to build/buy a seperate hackentosh.
well thats not a computer for just web browsing..
Yea, dont forget it plays iTunes too. Geez
@kal326
I am sure the ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT would probably play the games just as well, if you want the lower price, but that would be nitpicking the topic.
Also I'll let you know how my grandmother does when she builds her computer to save cash. Though it might be awhile as she still has trouble figuring out email, that and trying to pry her away long enough as she combos the speed/strength while snapping Chinese in her 'nana' suit. She really loves that.
Can't play Crysis? Then Crysis' developers seriously need to look at optimising their engine. Unreal Tournament III runs perfectly at 1440x900 with all settings maxed on my nearly year old MacBook Pro.
I won't deny the coolness factor, but its still overpriced crap.
I love how everybody loves to call it overpriced or say "I can build a PC for so much less blah blah blah" while apparently ignoring the fact that the $2199 model comes with a 24" S-IPS panel monitor. No go ahead, price one of those out. And notice I said S-IPS, not some shit TN panel monitor.
I've fallen out of hardcore gamming, but if a 3.0Ghz Core2Duo processor, 2 GB of RAM, and a video card with 512MB on board still cant play a game reasonably well... thats fucked up!
@ James
"If apple is aiming for the 'average home user' then maybe they should price their products accordingly. You don't need to spend 1200 dollars on a computer for web browsing."
If you just want web browsing pay less and get a mac mini if you want a Mac.. if not then buy something else. iMacs are typically for more than just web browsing. They are more for the active family that would want to do some multimedia stuff. And actually if you break down the price its not a bad deal. 20" monitor at best buy would be like $279... Stand alone Desktop with similar specs around $750 - 800... not including the iLife perks of having a free consumer level programs for Video Editing, Photo Editing (thats more than just taking out red-eye/roatating/croping), Web Page maker. Yes there are much better deals for people to find, but if you put it in perspective of what it offers and compare that to competition and then figure in that it is an Apple product.. its not a bad deal.
"And people wonder why Apple doesn't gain significant market share."
Who wonders that? Apple has gained significant market share considering their business model. Apple price's itself and views itself as a High End Luxury good. And they continue to sell more and more products to more and more new comers... I'd say they are doing pretty well.
Zak, according to Wikipedia, they are using H-IPS on the iMacs. 24" H-IPS monitors currently cost over $1000 BTW. With that in mind, the price doesn't seem so bad.
Either way you can't argue that its not expensive.wayy overpriced
Actually you can play Crysis on the older iMacs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlwmP9kp7m0&feature=related
Bioshock on an iMac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-f5KsGsBFE&feature=related
I'm not familiar with the intricacies of S-PVA vs. S-IVS but I can tell you that I just ordered a Core2Quad Inspiron 530 from Dell with a Q6600, 3GB RAM, 8600GT 256MB video card, 500GB 7200 RPM HD, dual optical drives (DVD/RW & CDRW/DVD combo), card reader, and TWO (yes, two) highly ranked Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP S-PVA monitors for $1,866 (PC was $668, monitors $599 each).
You'll have a hard time convincing me the iMac screen is twice as good as a 2408WFP. I'll also be using my monitors for at least two or three computers, saving me even more. 2408WFP Review: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/184416/dell-ultrasharp-2408wfp.html
Can't keep track of all these nvidia GPUs. Isn't 8800GT supposed to be better than the GS variant? Why the 'weaker' GPU for imac?
perhaps GS= GameSupported edition?
Maybe because you can't stuff the ginormous radiator+fan/water cooling system in the 2" thick case. Or because the 8800GT will suck the whole of the electricity the power supply of the iMac delivers.
Top of the line GPUs are nice and all, but they are power hungry and hot as hell.
It's probably a mobile chip, or a a low-power variant of the 8800 family. Apple tends to use one of those two for the iMacs to keep the thermals in check.
nVidia usually names their cards like this (from low to high):
GS -> GT -> GTS -> GTX
so the GS is the low end of that particular model, the GT is the standard, GTS is higher performance, and GTX is top of the line.
Cus if they used a GT it would compete with the Mac Pro, and we can't have that. Of course, they could pony up and release an 8800GTX/ULTRA or 9800GTX for the Mac Pro.
First of all, the 512mb 8800gs and 512mb 8800gt are not all that different to begin with - same chip (g92) and same memory (512), but thats about where the similarities end. To put it simply, you can think of the 8800gs as the cheaper version of the 8800gt, with nvidia basically putting the breaks on the card so it doesn't compete with 8800gt.
Second of all, the 8800gt isn't exactly a huge card and doesn't need water cooling by any means (its actually a single slot card). It definitely produces more heat than the 8800gs, but apple is never really known for graphical power, so thats why they can be expected to never choose the card that gamers want. For a computer as expensive as the mac pro, people would expect a 9800gtx or similar card, but you're lucky if you get an 8800gt. Put simply - if you plan on gaming at high res with the latest games, you're stuck with console or windows.
:: uses honesty magic to keep the apple fainbois at bay ::
No more "Millions of colors" on the 20-inch. Funny how that works ain't it.
iPhone ripoff
Actually Joe,
it still says millions of colours for the specs for all iMac systems.
from Joe. :)
So can this new graphics card play COD4 or TF2??
Why so much excitement? Seriously i can upgrade my PC anytime.
u do aware this is an Apple fanboy site right?
I dont think so.
But he may BE aware of it.
I'll let myself out.
you mean sort of like the old one could? do your homework.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8hUxhqYb3o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCrwmARnKCk
I play both of those games with ease using the last version 24 inch imac and updated drivers from ATI. Looks great.
I play both of them on my 1 year old MacBook Pro. Not only that but i also play TF2 native on OS X and CoD4 is being worked on too.
Well http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html still shows the old iMac with "Millions of Colors" for now.
They updated it... still "Millions of Colors" it's probably unlikely they they're using a different LCD panel anyway.
Store is back up with iMac updates! 3.06 ghz speeeeeeeed!
Speed racer?
No quad-core? No thanks.
It's like they're encouraging people to build Hackentoshes.
@Mike Cerm
You want quad core? Buy a Mac Pro - Quad Core x 2.
Troll.
now am debating whether to get the dell laptop gaming machine with the dual sli geforce 8800gtx or this slick imac..advice people?
If you want to game, then the dell. For any other purposes, by the imac. If you run bootcamp, just use rivatuner to up the frequencies on 8800gs, and you'll make it basically equivalent to an 8800gt, which will run most games almost as well as the dual 8800mgtx's in the laptop. I would rather have the imac, but if you're a hardcore gamer, then the dell is what you'd want.
This is somewhat exciting I guess, but I was expecting a bit more, like a blender and billions of colors.
Such nicely underpowered machines at way too much $$
And people still buy that crap, tjeez...
Just built a comp for my bro : E6600, 2GIG DDR2 800mHz RAM, SLI abit mobo, 8800gt 512mb, 320GB HD, DVD burner, keyboard+mouse(logitech), 20" TFT acer....and all the other usual bells and whistles.
800$
Yes i did assemble it myself but hell...double the performance for 1/3rd price? Thank you very much indeed.
@ Michel
And this is the difference between an iMac and your new 'super' computer.
http://images.apple.com/imac/design/images/gallery/imac_5_20071026.jpg
owned
@TheSpecialist
And you're willing to pay $1400 more for a few hidden wires and an all-in-one machine you can't even upgrade yourself (barring RAM and hard drive, of course)? I'd take Michel's $800 over this iMac any day. Nothing a few zip ties and wire enclosures couldn't fix.
@ Fenix:
So what, you are going to zip-wire a monitor to an ATX case? eeewww...
I'm not in love with the hardware as much as I'm willing to pay the price of admission to use OSX. I'm absolutely in love with Leopard.
I'm just pissed they didn't bump the Mac Mini.
You ask any average guy out there on the street, ask him which one he will choose.
Most will go with the iMac, they don't need such power and tend to put looks over performance. Plus, they would crap themselves if you told them to upgrade the Random Access Memory, they don't need to upgrade.
And those on Engadget don't really count for the majority of the people.
Seriously... Every time i use Windows on Parallels the damned thing makes me restart for "critical updates," and I'm rudely reminded about why I made the switch. Part of the problem, admittedly, is that Apple comes off as so elitist that it makes DIYers and gamers see red, which is understandable, but you really do get a lot for your money. I couldn't even think about not having Front Row, iChat, and iMovie, plus you can get a ton of freeware programs that are fully functional (Quicksilver, Shakespeer, and Transmission (also on Linux) for example). For Windows, every little utility costs money or bugs you for it on a splash screen, and most don't work quite the way you'd like.
To OP, your $800 rig is pretty nice, but keep in mind that you're not really saving money on the hardware, you're saving money by cutting out parts of the product chain. Your labor costs are zero and the profit that would normally go to the company stays in your pocket.
Note to pocket-protector-wearing FrankenPC enthusiasts:
Some of us don't care about saving some bucks by building our own machines. Some of us don't have the 40 hours to research all the components we want and find the best deals, screw everything together, cross our fingers and hope the thing actually powers up. And IF it does power up, you're still stuck in the Hell that is Windows (unless you want to spend more time trying to hack together an OS X machine) and you're still stuck with something that looks like a homemade turd sitting on your desk.
Been there, done that. Not going back. Thanks.
The next time you're enjoying a nice lunch eating out, think how much money you could have saved by bringing a Top Ramen to the office. Yeah, it's just like that.
The "I could make it cheaper myself!" rants grow tiresome.
"You ask any average guy out there on the street, ask him which one he will choose. Most will go with the iMac..."
That's why Apple dominates the market, right?
Frankly if they don't need power, they could aswell just build a PC with the exact same hardware for half the price, guess what they will pick? Certainly not an iMac, not where I live.
"You ask any average guy out there on the street, ask him which one he will choose. Most will go with the iMac, they don't need such power and tend to put looks over performance"
Actually Kizorblade, I think you got it backwards. The average person would be more likely to take the cheaper, though not as pretty, computer. Which wouldn't be the mac. Your getting the online internet community confused with normal people and normal people don't splurge on fancy gadgets. If what you're saying were actually true macs would have more than 6% market share.
"And this is the difference between an iMac and your new 'super' computer."
@TheSpecialist
That's the cool thing about having a desk. All the wire hang down the back and you don't see them. The iMac looks great on the white tables at the Apple store though.
@Quix
If it takes you 40 hours to research and build a PC and you STILL can't figure it out, then you must be a graduate of Failmoore County High School, or something.
And OS X (still) can't do a single thing that Windows or an Open-Source alternative can't. It just looks (a lot) better while doing it.
@Quix: The issue is a little murkier than that.
It's not ONLY about building your own. I prefer the mid-tower form factor for its upgradeability. Also because I have a monitor I like. I don't NEED a new monitor.
Now, I don't believe they're vastly overpriced. Not when you consider that you get bluetooth, wifi, and a webcam. But still, consider this. You're NOT buying a regular desktop machine. You're buying a desktop-laptop hybrid in a way. You're paying for a large flat panel monitor and components that are squeezed into the space approximate of a typical laptop. That's what makes the iMac unique. That's what you're buying with an iMac. You're buying easy, and you're buying less clutter. Supposedly.
Personally, I could take or leave it. For example, I have 18.5" of clearance between my desk and the lowest shelf of my hutch. The mac is 2" taller than that. However, most 20 and even some 22" monitors would fit under there. I'd much prefer a powerful Mac mini tower to stash out of the way. Then, when I want a bigger display, I can buy that.
Also, I have my current computer hooked up to my stereo for sound. No need for the crappy integrated speakers.
And to be honest, I don't use webcams. I really don't need one.
Honestly, it would be a TON cheaper for Mac to manufacture a monitorless Mac Tower. Even if they gave it a cute mini version of the Mac Pro case, it'd be cheaper.
They could sell $999 mac towers spec'd to the 24" iMac and and they would sell like hotcakes. They'd have a higher margin than they do on the iMac, and I'm sure a lot of PC owners would be more likely to switch to that than a Mac Mini (which is the red-headed stepchild anyway).
@Ryan:
I agree 100% that Apple needs a consumer-priced tower. No doubt about it. It used to be that one could pick up a new Power Mac for under $1,500. One with an upgradable video card.
Now you're looking at $3,000 for a Mac Pro to do the same thing.
Unacceptable.
@Lein:
Who said I couldn't figure it out? I've built my own boxes before. They've worked just fine. And they were ugly, noisy, and had zero resell value. And they took up a lot of my valuable time.
Not worth it. Not to me. Not anymore.
@Lein: It can run Aperture, iMovie, and iDVD. I've tried (believe me, I'm a cheap bastard) every alternative to apple's software and OS. I tried Picasa and Photoshop Lightroom. I've used Windows Movie Maker, I've used Pinnacle, and other video editing programs, but none of them can match the workflow and ease of use of Apple's software.
Aperture, iMovie, and iDVD make me actually WANT to do those I need to get done, like editing my wedding video and making photo books of my trips to Italy and Quebec.
The freeware's nice, too. To give only one example, my absolute favorite HTML editor is Taco HTML edit. Free, and only for Mac.
The only app I truly miss (and the only reason I'd use Parallels) is Corel Paint Shop Pro. Photoshop Elements has the interface benefits of PSP, but no program I've used on either platform approaches the ease of use for both Vector and Raster image editing. For me, anyway. I've been using PSP since version 3 on Win 3.11.
Okay, I lied. Proprietary software for digital video editing. Mac:1 PC:0
As for Quix for the ugly part of PCs. I don't suppose you've ever seen a black aluminum Lian Li case? Pricey yes (defeating the purpose of saving money, if that's your goal) but the looks are second-to-none.
When I was a Windows user, I used to build my own computers, but there is a high chance of inflicting latent electrostatic damage on your motherboard when you're constantly popping open the hood to change out hard drives or RAM. And even though I used an antistatic mat and a antistatic wrist strap to cut down on ESD, I never had a motherboard that lasted more than two years because of this.
With a Mac Pro, Apple makes this very easy. When you open the hood, you're never exposed to the logic board or any wires. You just slip in a new hard drive or more RAM and you're perfectly okay. I have a G5 that's five years old.
I thought you said HD DVD burner. What you meant was 'Hard Drive, DVD Burner...'
Silly me.
@clak
...What? I've never used an ESD anything to protect myself. Hell, I even forgot to ground myself some times.
I have computers from the late 90's still going strong.
@Quix
It's more like half an hour to make a list of requirements, figure out what hardware would meet those requirements, then using resellerratings, pricegrabber, and froogle to find the lowest prices. Then you buy it. Then you burn kalyway or use nlite to burn an unattended XP install loaded with all of your needed drivers and crap. Then you take like 20-30 minutes to screw everything together. Then pop in the CD, install your needed programs, and you're done.
It's not hard. I've seen quite inept 12 year olds build their own computers.
When will people understand that you can't compare Apples to "I built my own for half the price and better specs, apple sucks blah blah blah."
Stack the iMac up against the XPS One or Gateway One. Hell, stack your custom built PC up against any manufactured PC, and it will win. How come we don't see these types of comments on HP or Dell posts? Haters.
@TheSpecialist
In that marketing photo Apple is comparing an "All in One" iMac to a desktop PC - that's Apples and Oranges. A true comparison would be Dell's XPS One. I'm not saying the XPS One is more attractive (because it isn't) - but at least it is in the same product category.
Here is what that comparison looks like:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2105/2448644935_50c8738f13_o.jpg
@FTY
Key word there was "average guy" Not too many average people will take the time to build their own PCs. Strange, though, how average computer companies (Gateway & Dell) will take the time to build their own iMac, copying an "overpriced computer" design, price it even higher, and then install Windows on it. Why would anyone want to copy a computer that is failing with such a small percent of the market?
"That's why Apple dominates the market, right?"
31% year-over-year growth (Higher than any other manufacturer). Market share up to 6.1% (just out of third place). Dell suffers negative growth rate of -7.1%. Somebody is doing something right. Guess which one.
Dell (32.1 percent with -7.1 percent growth); HP (23 percent and 6.3 percent growth); Gateway (6.4 percent with -1.1 percent growth); Apple (6.1 percent and 31 percent growth); and Toshiba (5.1 percent with 22.3 percent growth).
@ Jesse S:
A half-hour to fully spec your box and find the best prices? Doubtful. And only if you're doing a sloppy job.
Me, I spent time reading reviews. Mobos. RAM. Processors. Hard drives. Video cards. Power supplies. Fans.
And figuring out which components reliably worked with which other components.
Not an easy task. Your argument that building a PC is child's play is disingenuous. If it were this easy, *everyone* would do it.
"I've seen quite inept 12 year olds build their own computers."
Yeah, and I've seen the PCs these inept 12 year olds have built. Good enough for you. Not good enough for me.
@ Lein:
Yes, I've looked at almost every aftermarket PC case on the market. Almost every one of them looks like cheap garbage. Piles of glowing plastic or flimsy metal with aliens or spiders on the sides. Or a face full or crappy looking expansion bay doors. Lame. Personally the only one I ever found that I actually liked was the Cooler Master Wavemaster (no longer available, as far as I can tell). Frankly, the whole lot of them are embarrassing.
The only truly attractive PCs I've seen are from major manufacturers (HP, Dell, Apple). And Apple has the best by far (though I do like the HP Blackbird).
Hey Michel, how much did you pay for the OS and basic software?
"And this is the difference between an iMac and your new 'super' computer."
I don't know about you but I keep my PC under my desk, with the wires neatly bundled. The top of my desk looks like the iMac photo.
"Stack the iMac up against the XPS One or Gateway One...How come we don't see these types of comments on HP or Dell posts? Haters."
Yes, the Dell and Gateway all-in-ones are very expensive also. The reason you don't see these kinds of comments in Dell and Gateway stories is that they don't force you to buy it--both companies offer countless low cost mid tower alternatives. Apple has no such alternative (the Mini has its own problems).
As soon as Apple releases a reasonably priced mid tower--the format the market has shown most people want--we'll stop complaining.
THE RAM TYPE HAS CHANGED!!!! is this type of ram more expensive? it is 800mhz sdram
This is so annoying. I bought the 2.4ghz model last week right before the leaked info about the update. My laptop died and I needed a computer right away. Is it worth me paying a restocking fee to upgrade?
Yes. Yes it is. Why do you even ask? Alone the increase in resale value is greater than the restocking fee.
Where did you buy it at?
Apple's has a 14-day return policy, I believe even with refreshes like this, they should still be willing to take back the old iMac and give you a new one for either the price drop, or give you the upgrade for free. This would not invoke a restocking fee. If you purchased it online, you may want to call 1-800-MY-APPLE.
or call customer service. Tell them about your predicament. They'll probably waive the Restocking fee for you.
You shouldn't have to pay the restocking fee, since its within 30 days.
Hasn't Apple's record-breaking increases in sales quarter after quarter for the last 5 years proved that a lot of people don't care that you can scrap together a PC and run Windows XP yourself?
We get it, you can build your own computer. I want OS X on nice hardware. Thanks, though.
You're right, less than 10% market share vs Windows. It seems like no one cares about Windows anymore.
Of course, they needed to get Windows running native on their machines before they could sell. Same thing with the ipod, where it needed Windows support before it could sell.
Yeah Lein, that's what made me finally take the plunge and buy a MacBook Pro. My old Sony Vaio Z1 croaked, and I needed a similarly sized laptop with a hi res screen. Pretty much the only thing that fitted as the MBP 15.4". And I thought 'well, if I don't like OS X, I can always stick XP on it'. And you know what, I haven't.
You wouldn't believe how much better a Mac is. I can't believe I put up with Windows for so long. In fact, my experience has been so good, I've since bought an Apple TV (well, 2 actually), an iPod Touch, and am waiting for the MacBook refresh to replace the missus' stolen laptop.
It's like the difference between driving an Audi and a Kia (or some other god-awful car built by a workforce who eat dog). Sure, they'll both get you from A to B, but I know which one will make the journey more enjoyable. To me, that's worth paying extra (though, spec for spec, the MBP was really barely more than equivalent laptops -- but maybe that's just rip-off Britain).
As for building PCs, I've built a few (actually, I built specced 30 over a weekend for the wife's school); and although cheap, they do seem to cause even more trouble. Really it's cheaper and easier to buy plenty of spares and swap them out/re-image the drive when things go pear-shaped. And that's fine if you have a dedicated support technician. But I don't. I want to spend my time doing stuff I want. To use the car analogy again, I _could_ build my own car (and one of my degrees is in Mech Eng, so I actually could! Probably...), and it might even be fun; but it will never be as well sorted or reliable as the Audi.
Toodle-pip
You can get better hardware if you were to build your own Hackintosh. In a nice case. For much, much less than anything Apple offers.
OH NOES!
WIRES, i might seriously die !
Cable straps are nice.
Oh and did i mention double performance for 1/3rd the price?
Yeah thats nice too.
Dude, let people buy the computer that they choose. You buy what you like, let someone else buy what they like. We all know your point, we get it, but is it worth coming back to Engadget to repeatedly post so that people will argue with you?
Thats exaggerating. NO way you can match the 20 inch price and claim to make a twice as fast comp for 400 inc. screen.
You have obviously never used a Mac before Michel. Because if you did you would have a totally different perspective of it. It is hands down a better OS and much better performance. Look at all the comparison articles on "PC" world, computer mag and many others iMac always comes out on top. Running Vista on my iMac I get a score of 5.1 on my same specd Dell laptop i get a 3.1? Windows is dead and OS X is the OS of the next generation. Think Different!
@Michel
Been there, done that. After all, so many of us were pompous, arrogant, DIY Wintards at one time.
If you value your time more than anything else and can afford the small premium, I'd like to invite you to the dark side. You'll likely find that there's so much more value and flexibility in macs than what any other computer can offer.
Fernando, I've had to use OS X a lot recently for a project where I work. I absolutely hate it.
Remember that video some guy made a year or two ago, where he destroyed an old G4 iMac?
I completely agree with his statement (I'm paraphrasing here) that you're not using the Mac so much as tricking it to work/sharing the experience with it.
Plus, I don't like docks. I am a taskbar man. But that is purely personal preference.
And the latest iMacs are running Mac OS X 10.4, sorry, could be engadget reusing images but its just a tiny bit ironic, new hardware, old OS.
Actually it's old hardware, old OS... I mean, 8800 GS, are they kidding?
you made engadget feel stupid, so they changed the pictures.
Janathan, Thanks for pointing out the image reuse issue.
Thomas
C'mon Mini...anyday now...
What the heck?! I was in the NYC 5th Ave. Apple store on Saturday, spoke to several people in the store. Not one would confirm the iMac refresh. And it's for sale already? I am sure that store was already stocked with them!
But again, I am not too sure, because she was implying I shouldn't wait on rumours and just buy one now...
If it makes you feel any better, most people in the store are also kept in the dark. There are very few who even know they are coming in beforehand and it takes some guess work. Mostly the admins for the genuis bar will get an updated sku set, and shipping will be informed if there is a change in shipping (aka a new pallet of skus).
Everyone else will be kept in the dark so as not to tank sales. The 'Hey you shouldn't buy that as the rumor is we are getting new ones in a couple weeks', and then the rumor doesn't pan out and a sale is lost.
The good news is the return policy will let you return your machine and exchange for the new model and only settle the price difference. If more you pay the extra, if less you get a refund.
Hope that helps.
Awesome! For once, Apple gave me all of the upgrades I wanted: 800 MHz Memory, Penryn, and an 8800 card. I shall be getting one of these over the summer.
Still no eSATA, what a joke!
Apple, has releaized something the microcrap never will, to the avgerage joe, sleek, sexy design and a simple clean looking OS will sell better than pure power. hence why the ipod doesn't nearly has many features as a Zune but i still outsell's the Zune like 4 to 1 or something
Besides if you want power, you but a G5 not an Imac, 8-core processor with 4gig's of ram and 4 TB of storage....ect
I have some anecdotal evidence, yes I know, bad bad, but I have to state it.
Of all the computer-savvy people and average joe's that I know, if they switched from Windows, they switched to Linux. The only people that I know that use OS X, got it because they are into artsy stuff, photography, graphic design, etc., and a few of them even switched back to Windows. They didn't switch because it was better, they switched just to fit in.
I'm a photographer (in my free time, ha) and I'm perfectly fine with Windows. It's never given me any trouble, I use Vista now, and I even used ME for a few months back in the old days. ME never crashed on me. Vista has crashed on my due to nvidia's drivers.
Tl;dr: Real people don't actually switch to OS X unless they think they need it for their job/hobby.
Jesse S, you're full of shit.
'Tl;dr: Real people don't actually switch to OS X unless they think they need it for their job/hobby.'
PUH-LEEZE.
You must be one of the most naive people I have ever heard.
In all of your 'comments', you haven't actually stated what you dislike apart from the Dock - which you have put down to 'personal preference -. All the rest is just 'I hate it'. What a wholesome argument.
BLURAY ???