Fedora 9 Sulphur makes its way into the world
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"Microsoft with their Apple stock won't let OSX turn into anything they can't handle."
You mean the 150m$ of shares?
This is my favorite distribution of Linux.
I am hoping they improved the wireless support as that’s the bit I’ve always had trouble with.
In conclusion, ethana2 is a flaming linux fan. He/she replied at least once to every single one of the above posts (except for 1). Nothing wrong with that, just found that interesting...
Anyway, I've tried switching from windows to the user friendly Ubuntu. I must say I love the OS but I spent more time trying to get things to work than I spent time working or playing. I've since switched back to XP and I have Vista on one of my machines now. Vista has some minor problems, which I can live with. Nothing like the problems I had with Ubuntu tho...
Oh by the way, the version of Ubuntu I tried was Gutsy Gibbon.
I had to switch to Hardy while it was in alpha for the hardware support, so I know what you mean.
Sorry for the flames, like I said, that first guy set me off.
I've used a whole lot of Linux distros, and fedora is among the best I've used...but i haven't tried 9 yet, seeing as my computer is royally screwed...anyway, i think it's decent and should be worth a shot
I've used many and as for the best i've used is Gentoo, its so much faster than fedora and ubuntu
Am I really the only one who noticed that two of the article's links go to "chrome://..."? You might want to fix that.
There's nothing like a Linux flame war. The rest of the world looks at us and thinks "???????".
We're all allies here, but if some piece of software holds us back from perfection for five minutes, it gets axe murdered.
It's called friendly competition. I have a friend who's a fedora user, we get along just /fine/.
Ok all, I'm going to try to leave this thread alone now.
If you want to contact me for any reason, ethana2@gmail.com
I apologize for any emotion I involved in this discussion, and I hope I was for the most part informative and accurate.
--please don't respond to this message. (it may pull me back in)
Dude, for what it's worth I was OK with your comments. But, you felt the need to say something, which is also OK. It's Allllll good basically. x-p
Cue all the, "Isn't this nice? A Linux love-in" comments. Come now, let it all out! X-D
responding just because you said not to.
i wanted to say something basically to all your responses in this post, but after the first few, there were times when I completely agreed and disagreed with you.
I used to use Ubuntu (Edgy-Gutsy) on my laptop. At various times through the laptops life, I've had XP, and also Vista on it. Each had their good points. Linux was great on my hardware, but I found myself missing photoshop, and also the software my school issues to study with. After a long time period of Virtualizing these programs (never got into Wine... also I had gotten pretty handy with the terminal), I switched back to XP because i took 2gbs out of my laptop and put them into my Mac Mini.
I wasn't going to use the computer for much other than the school software, especially since I had fallen in love with OS X. My terminal knowledge comes in handy... and (IMHO), it combines the best features of Windows and Linux, and has some nice features of its own.
I'm not going to preach about OS X, because in reality, its very much like Linux. There are just some things that Linux Distro's "miss" on. As many people mentioned, a good GUI, or even a good theme, is not present on ANY of the distro's I've used to date. I know there are some out there, but they require searching, and most of them seem pretty amateurish. Thats an easy fix, though.
Many peoples main problems with Linux is that it is difficult to install programs. The repository solution is NOT good enough if you want to capture the main streams heart. Beyond that they are limited to Open Source programs for many of their needs. Solutions like OOo are great, but solutions like GIMP and the plethora of media players are not great. Not even good, in my opinion. Songbird had so much potential when it originally hit the front page of Digg and everyone thought it was brand new, as a good alternative to iTunes... but there has been so little advancement with it, it falls way short by todays standards.
Two things before I go. If you get the opportunity, get a macbook or a mini or something. They are pretty good deals for the quality of the hardware right now, and if you decide you don't like OSX, install ubuntu on it. But the computer itself... the keyboard, the screen, the camera... those things... they are so well made that IMO they are worth the cost, even if I wanted to install another OS on it.
And lastly. I hate to say it, but the only way Linux will take over market share is if Microsoft abandons Windows and users are left with nothing else for cheap solutions, or a company with a lot of money starts their own distro and begins pushing the envelope. Canonical is doing what it can, but you really need a multi billion dollar corporation who can hire thousands to really change things at the rate that Vista and OS X are moving now. Even then it might be too little too late, you'd need to move faster than Microsoft and Apple.
I promise if I ever become successful, I will start a company that makes an Open Source OS. And I'll make my own filesystem because Gnome and KDE are not cutting it. :p
Can someone please shut ethana2 up!? I swear half of the comments for this article belong to him, and they're all so lame.
There are times I wish Engadget would not allow comments... it's the same tired squabbles over and over and over again. As a great man once said, "Blue Steel, Ferrari, Le Tigre? They're the same face! Doesn't anybody notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!"
/rant
PS - what do you want to bet he'll reply to this posting as well? :-)
Whoa! The KDE actually looks good!
http://video.linux-noob.com/screenshots/fedora/9/post-67-1210462821.png
I'm actually waiting (hopeful!) for some progress on the Project Looking Glass from Sun. I think it just needs a boost in effects and some support. (unless I'm running the low end version??)
Linux copying vista and osx!? everything that was claimed to be a copy of osx or vista is totally untrue. It is actually the other way around. All these desktop effects were in linux WAAYYYY before vista was announced, and way before osx started to catch on.
I was an xp user for many years. I switched to Suse 10.0, and now an OpenSuse 10.3 user and have never looked back. I was a total noob to using computers at the time as well. Now I have a nice stable system that does all I want (YES! GAMING TOO!), and doesn't require the hassle of virus protection software, spyware protection software, needs to defrag, and no sleezy software that seems to just want to pop up advertisements to me all the time.
Driver issues? I've never had such problems, maybe back in the day this was an issue. Only driver I had to look for was for an obscure usb soundcard. But I had to look for the windows driver for it too!
People seem to quick to pass off something without even thinking of scratching the surface. Do yourself a favour by letting yourself learn. There's a good reason why linux gains more ground everyday.
I see no reason to use Linux on my home computer, I mean half of my software won't work on it. I'm glad my webserver has CentOS on it though.
No, but unless you are an audio/video producer (I am, that's what keeps me tied down to Winblows), there are Linux equivalents for that half of your software.... (and better versions of the other half ;-)
It's great, as always :) much faster, more stable, more user friendly and good-looking :D I strongly recommend it, now even for greenhorns!
Linux is a great stable server platform, but I can't use it day to day because it's ugly, it looks like crap. I'd prefer OS X, Vista, XP, or the Windows "classic" look to 95% of the linux desktops I've looked seen. The controls are ugly, the colors are bad, the artwork is gross, and the interfaces are poorly constructed. I know it's all skinnable, but I can never use Amarok or Konqueror or whatever the Gnome one is because it looks really really bad.
If this changed and Linux became pretty and interfaces became intuitive, I would switch. I want it to feel more simple. Powerful, but simple.
I think you need to learn to take something and evolve it. It comes basic, It is no different looking then Windows 98. My Desktop looks better than OS X , XP and Vista. There is many things you can do to make it look great. Avant, Compiz Fusion, and for gnome there is rhythmbox and also xmms2
Hi, I would like to try out a decent Linux distro. Just tried Ubuntu 8.04, but for some reason it wouldn't recognize my bog-standard Nvidia card (it's a generic 6200, on a 4-yr old NForce4 motherboard). Googling found that the Nvid driver is a a reported problem for a number of folks. I'm curious why a basic issue like this wasn't resolved before RTM, especially for what is supposed to be a LTS Ubuntu release.
Another thing I'm wondering is why not more distros are distributed in bootable USB stick images, rather than ISOs (yes, I'm aware of pendrivelinux.com). Most current system nowaday can boot from USB keys, and they are much more convenient and portable than a CD, especially when it comes to a Live package, as they RW devices.
Just my person opinion, I agree w/ LJKelly above wrt the me-too nature of the current GUIs, at least from a OOBE perspective. The default Ubuntu 8.04 GUI reminded me of the old ugly Win 3.1, and the color scheme (brownish palette) was grating on the eyes. Sure, it's all eye-candy, and it can always be tweaked to look better, but it's a factor.
Fedora 9 is fantastic.
Wireless LAN on my Dell test notebook worked out-of-the-box.
And btw, the screenshot for this story is not a screenshot of Fedora 9, but the preview version that didn't include the final graphics.
Installed last night. my experiences so far:
FAST. Faster than Fedora 8. Faster than any Ubuntu Distro I've used. It's just freakin' snappy. I'm talking boot up, shut down, and regular use. All drivers installed out of the box with absolutely no issues. So far it's been more stable and less buggy than any new Fedora release I've ever used. New package manager is fast, clean, and logical, but I have yet to figure out how to install multiple packages at once (other than it's perfect managment of dependencies).
My only beefs so far were that there was no way to set SELinux to dissabled during the install process and that, despite supporting ext4, there isn't an option to format a drive as ext4 during installation. Though the latter is something that I really don't know much about yet.
Real tests will come when I do my first laptop install tonight.
Well they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. And I don't think it's possible to make this look any more like the Mac OS without actually changing the F to an Apple logo. Still, nice to see that nobody on the linux side seems to be able to innovate worth a damn, they just do what MS does and copy Apple.
Well I suppose it does differentiate itself by being uglier, but I mean come on. If you want it to look like OS X so much, why not just use OS X? it's not like you'll lose your precious command line.
... you have no idea what you're talking about.
That is the ugliest GUI I have seen since windows 3.1.
So far it seems Linux is for those that want to type endless commands into a willing machine - I just want mine to work, and run the apps I need for business. Tinkering with the machine is for others...
I see OS's as not providing much value (to companies as a business model) soon. It will be the platform independent networked apps that provide value.
I agree that it seems very basic. If they shipped it all tricked out then they'd only be hurting themselves. The idea is that you can make it into whatever you want it to be. But I must insist that it is NOT necessary to learn command line usage for linux, not at all even. I was a total noob when I tried linux, I didn't even know where the command line was! Linux is deployed on workstations everywhere for it's great apps, stability, and low footprint. It's been on the rise for sometime now. It has totally taken over the 3d animation film industry for one, and is sold in systems by HP, Dell, Asus, and many more.
compiz fusion can give you an idea of how tricked out things can be.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_ImW0-MgR8I
and here's how I customized my desktop
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6210/screenshotga9.png
hope this sheds some light on things
Totally random, but what wallpaper is that?!? I like it =D