If you want to talk about obsolesce, why stop there? USB made its debut over a decade ago, why not just throw out all the perfectly working technology for a new standard?
Or how about the stereo jack? It was first seen in the 19th century. Surely that would be a good target for removal in modern day hardware?
I know it has SATA, but what is with the death grip on the VGA and the PATA? It's not the point that I could get DVI and SATA. People are too worried about legacy support.
RS-232, PATA and VGA all still serve very valid purposes in today's world. Many embedded applications are likely going to talk using legacy interfaces that have been time tested to be reliable.
I'm not saying that DVI, USB and SATA aren't reliable, but industrial embedded systems take a long time to adopt changes until they are proven to be bulletproof.
This motherboard would be great for embedded applications!
@Mike: Legacy support is good, esp. if there are $1000s invested in scientific, navigational, or musical equip't that is in perfectly good working order. Not every individual or agency has big bux to drop on the latest gadget. Ref. Creative audio card drivers, are you listening, Creative??
That particular ide port also provies power to the hard drive. The connector for it allows for minimal useage of space. The sata connection would not allow this type of connection.
As for the VGA, cheaper displays (as well as touchscreens for carputers and other integrated devices) have no need for the bandwidth and resolutions supported by DVI.
Why dont you reseach before making judgements? It's like me calling you a pirate because of your avatar. What a silly assumption! (or IS it..)
VGA is pointless because it is a digitally produced video signal ran through a D>A converter and stripped of it's digital component. DVI-I is relevant because it is a digitally produced video signal ran through a D>A converter and output with both the digital and analog compositions in tact so that virtually and monitor can display it when the correct cable is used.
If this board had a DVI port on it, you could velcro it to the back of your TV (open air, no case) and turn it into a web portal so you could do your simple web tasks from the couch.
DVI-I can be easily converted to VGA, HDMI, even Component and Composite video. VGA is good for... anything with a VGA port.
rock99rock: But I am a Pirate. I use ad blockers for the web, I skip commercials with my DVR, I download TV shows with Miro and stream them to my PS3 with a computer running TVersity. I return junk snail mail to senders saying I'm dead. Hell, I even told a cop my wife was pregnant to get out of a speeding ticket. I'm an asshole - I am fine with it. I am also a dirty, opinionated, hypocrite. I am also always angry and I'm borderline psychotic.
Also I've built a carputer using a Mac Mini and used the DVI port. Yes pata includes power, but sata is faster and I only use 7200rpm drives. And before you say, "oh well a 7200rpm drive won't max out the PATA bus" PATA doesn't include NCQ. Does it make a big difference. Maybe not, but It's a cool buzzword to have on the project.
[quote=rock99rock]As for the VGA, cheaper displays (as well as touchscreens for carputers and other integrated devices) have no need for the bandwidth and resolutions supported by DVI.
Why dont you reseach before making judgements?[/quote]
Because it is digital, DVI is lower bandwidth than the analog VGA equivalent resolution and less susceptible to RF interference. This makes it better suited for touch screens in car-puters and high noise industrial installations.
(I secretly knew you were a pirate, i was just covering for you)
I havent tried TVersity... is it better than using the XBMC for pc? I do all the things you do. Thanks for the heads up about Miro, looks top notch.
The only point of my rebuddle, was that the mobo is not designed for higher end peripherals. (1ghz cpu, 1gb max ram no high density allowed). Its cool. Its small. Its slower than me in a marathon (slow). My dad is trying to install it in his car ( 1ghz fanned edition), and I laugh as my paultry 1.2ghz celeron runs laps around his setup. Damn thing cant run winamp visuals past 5fps at 320x240 windowed mode :) I just dont think the mobo would benefit from the faster addons.
I think the point is that IDE is meant for a solid state drive or a flash adapter. DVI is kind of overkill because the video may not support a resolution of more than 1024x768. Many monitors that have 1024x768 as their max resolution are only VGA and don't have DVI ports. So if nothing else, they're using VGA for compatibility.
1) It has SATA. Just not from the picture, RTFA 2) It has DVI, just in pin-header form. 3) I've yet to see 7" LCDs start coming with DVI connectors on them.
You are actively engaged in one of the absolute lamest online debates I've ever come across: VGA vs DVI on an embedded, nano-itx platform. IT HAS BOTH.
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MadMike @ May 14th 2008 10:01AM
What's with the obscene love for PATA & VGA. Really?
It's 2008. All VGA & PATA products should be killed dead and buried 6-feet under volcanic rock to never rise again.
sntc06 @ May 14th 2008 10:06AM
There's a SATA connector at the side of the board.
j_g_puff @ May 14th 2008 10:07AM
What do you propose as an alternative?
Sean S @ May 14th 2008 11:05AM
If you want to talk about obsolesce, why stop there? USB made its debut over a decade ago, why not just throw out all the perfectly working technology for a new standard?
Or how about the stereo jack? It was first seen in the 19th century. Surely that would be a good target for removal in modern day hardware?
SimonRichards @ May 14th 2008 10:13AM
It has a SATA connector on the board, and you can get DVI through the headers on the board.
MadMike @ May 14th 2008 10:22AM
I know it has SATA, but what is with the death grip on the VGA and the PATA? It's not the point that I could get DVI and SATA. People are too worried about legacy support.
w00t @ May 14th 2008 10:28AM
People are scared of change!
Hell some computers still come with a 1.44mb floppy drive like my 20 year old amstrad 286 did :)
Superevil @ May 14th 2008 10:38AM
Don't forget those damn PS/2 ports. All peripherals should be USB from now on.
Joe_Templeman @ May 14th 2008 10:59AM
You need IDE so that it supports IDE-CF adapter for a very cheap, low heat SSD
VGA is probably because your not going to be running an amazing monitor off it anyway, so DVI would be kinda pointless...
Shane @ May 14th 2008 12:08PM
RS-232, PATA and VGA all still serve very valid purposes in today's world. Many embedded applications are likely going to talk using legacy interfaces that have been time tested to be reliable.
I'm not saying that DVI, USB and SATA aren't reliable, but industrial embedded systems take a long time to adopt changes until they are proven to be bulletproof.
This motherboard would be great for embedded applications!
granny down east @ May 14th 2008 12:16PM
@Mike: Legacy support is good, esp. if there are $1000s invested in scientific, navigational, or musical equip't that is in perfectly good working order.
Not every individual or agency has big bux to drop on the latest gadget. Ref. Creative audio card drivers, are you listening, Creative??
rock99rock @ May 14th 2008 12:43PM
That particular ide port also provies power to the hard drive. The connector for it allows for minimal useage of space. The sata connection would not allow this type of connection.
As for the VGA, cheaper displays (as well as touchscreens for carputers and other integrated devices) have no need for the bandwidth and resolutions supported by DVI.
Why dont you reseach before making judgements? It's like me calling you a pirate because of your avatar. What a silly assumption! (or IS it..)
RichardBronosky @ May 14th 2008 1:48PM
[quote=Joe_Templeman]DVI would be kinda pointless[/quote]
DVI is anything but pointless. Get educated. http://www.bronosky.com/?p=54
VGA is pointless because it is a digitally produced video signal ran through a D>A converter and stripped of it's digital component.
DVI-I is relevant because it is a digitally produced video signal ran through a D>A converter and output with both the digital and analog compositions in tact so that virtually and monitor can display it when the correct cable is used.
If this board had a DVI port on it, you could velcro it to the back of your TV (open air, no case) and turn it into a web portal so you could do your simple web tasks from the couch.
DVI-I can be easily converted to VGA, HDMI, even Component and Composite video. VGA is good for... anything with a VGA port.
morcheeba @ May 14th 2008 1:59PM
I heard this thing runs on DC current. Edison lost that battle a long time ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Currents ... can't we make it run on AC? ;-)
MadMike @ May 14th 2008 2:17PM
rock99rock:
But I am a Pirate. I use ad blockers for the web, I skip commercials with my DVR, I download TV shows with Miro and stream them to my PS3 with a computer running TVersity. I return junk snail mail to senders saying I'm dead. Hell, I even told a cop my wife was pregnant to get out of a speeding ticket. I'm an asshole - I am fine with it. I am also a dirty, opinionated, hypocrite. I am also always angry and I'm borderline psychotic.
Also I've built a carputer using a Mac Mini and used the DVI port. Yes pata includes power, but sata is faster and I only use 7200rpm drives. And before you say, "oh well a 7200rpm drive won't max out the PATA bus" PATA doesn't include NCQ. Does it make a big difference. Maybe not, but It's a cool buzzword to have on the project.
RichardBronosky @ May 14th 2008 2:59PM
[quote=rock99rock]As for the VGA, cheaper displays (as well as touchscreens for carputers and other integrated devices) have no need for the bandwidth and resolutions supported by DVI.
Why dont you reseach before making judgements?[/quote]
@rock99rock, You need to do research http://www.bronosky.com/?p=54
Because it is digital, DVI is lower bandwidth than the analog VGA equivalent resolution and less susceptible to RF interference. This makes it better suited for touch screens in car-puters and high noise industrial installations.
I'm not claiming that DVI or HDMI have error correction like networking protocols do (I have done my research http://www.ramelectronics.net/dvi/c10000-c11400-p1.html and http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/dvihdmicomponent.htm double checked) but I am saying that DVI-I is superior to VGA because it includes it as an option.
rock99rock @ May 14th 2008 3:02PM
(I secretly knew you were a pirate, i was just covering for you)
I havent tried TVersity... is it better than using the XBMC for pc? I do all the things you do. Thanks for the heads up about Miro, looks top notch.
The only point of my rebuddle, was that the mobo is not designed for higher end peripherals. (1ghz cpu, 1gb max ram no high density allowed). Its cool. Its small. Its slower than me in a marathon (slow). My dad is trying to install it in his car ( 1ghz fanned edition), and I laugh as my paultry 1.2ghz celeron runs laps around his setup. Damn thing cant run winamp visuals past 5fps at 320x240 windowed mode :) I just dont think the mobo would benefit from the faster addons.
MadMike @ May 14th 2008 3:20PM
TVersity is great. I had an lenovo x61 ultra-portable converting and streaming video to 720p to my PS3. without breaking a sweat.
Ross @ May 14th 2008 4:12PM
I think the point is that IDE is meant for a solid state drive or a flash adapter. DVI is kind of overkill because the video may not support a resolution of more than 1024x768. Many monitors that have 1024x768 as their max resolution are only VGA and don't have DVI ports. So if nothing else, they're using VGA for compatibility.
Brad @ May 14th 2008 4:15PM
All those bitching about DVI/SATA
1) It has SATA. Just not from the picture, RTFA
2) It has DVI, just in pin-header form.
3) I've yet to see 7" LCDs start coming with DVI connectors on them.
You are actively engaged in one of the absolute lamest online debates I've ever come across: VGA vs DVI on an embedded, nano-itx platform. IT HAS BOTH.
Christ.