3G iPhone to support 42Mbps Evolved HSPA data?
By Thomas Ricker 
posted May 23rd 2008 4:33AM
posted May 23rd 2008 4:33AM
Get this. Australian site ChannelNews claims that a "senior executive of Telstra" is the latest 3G iPhone bean spiller. They quote the exec as saying the following:"We know what is coming we have seen the new device and it will be available on our network as soon as it is launched in the USA. By Christmas this phone will be capable of 42Mbps which will make it faster than a lot of broadband offerings and the fastest iPhone on any network in the world."
Interesting. We know that Telstra's Next G HSDPA network has been capable of 14.4Mbps since 2007. At GSMA Mobile World Congress, they even committed to 21Mbps before the end of the year and 42Mbps using HSPA+ (aka, Evolved HSPA, HSPA Evolution) technology in 2009... not Christmas of 2008. Hard to say if this is just industry blow-harding or actual insider info. June 9th: T-minus 17 days and counting.
[Thanks, Paul S.]
Read -- Telstra 42Mbps HSPA+ in 2009
Read -- Telstra 3G iPhone rumor
Oh man, you're wasted working your McJob - you should be on TV with comedy like that.
I wouldn't put too much stock in what a Telstra sales person says... they're not known for their truthful facts.
That, and who cares? The phone won't be capable of actually using anywhere near that much bandwidth because there isn't enough processing power. It could use 2mbps at best. And something tells me the tethering options are less than stellar.
Pity Telstra doesn't offer anything closely resembling a reasonable data plan. $29 per month for a whole 80MB is their idea of a "Heavy User" data pack, or $89 per month for 1GB... Hardly going to encourage much uptake at that price given that's on top of your standard mobile call plans, especially when you can blow it at 42Mbps!
42mbps? Rubbish. 4.2mbps HSDPA, sure. This is what happens when the marketing team tries to get their silly little heads round data transfer rates and other 'tek stuffz'
Even IF their network does support such a transfer rate, the 3G iphone chip would have to support it, and as it's one friggin country out of the world, I think this is pretty much rubbish.
I suggest you read the article and know the facts before jumping to conclusions. Telstra's Next G currently supports 14.4Mbps. A 42Mbps upgrade is in the works and is expected within the next year or two.
Australia is a pioneer in 3G, so don't think that what you don't see in your own country isn't possible elsewhere.
The flash on the iPhone can't write at 2 Mbps therefore, using the powers of intelligent reasoning, I conclude the 3G iPhone will not be running on a 42 Mbps network.
I would be titillated with a 2 Mbps network.
What flash are you talking about? The actual firmware is on one, the RAM is another sort of memory.
The flash where you store music and video surely writes a whole lot faster than 2 Mbps? My old memory stick from 2005 writes at 5MB/s (40 Mbps).
well all I want is an iPhone that can run on verizon.
@applefan:
I think you just need to switch to a compatible carrier. It's Verizon's own fault... they had first dibs at the iPhone and blew it off.
I meant 42 not 2. The flash that holds data can't take it at 42 Mbps. That's like filling your water bottle with a fire hose.
Obviously I wasn't talking about the firmware ROM who cares about read speeds for that.
And even the system RAM might not do 42 Mbps.
@Joe @ May 23rd 2008 7:10AM
Trust me on this one, the RAM can do a lot more than 42Mbps. It's actually closer to 2Gbps (source: Geekbench).
I strongly believe the flash inside the iPhone can do at least 40Mbps.
@bondsbw
Don't believe the V hype! They never had first dibs because Apple saw the global reach GSM writing on the wall. CDMA, is old, limited and just plain dumb in this day and age. V knows it and LTE 4G can't come fast enough for em. Thats when you will get your Verizon iPhone...
@applefan
Amen to that!
no he's right. I clocked the write speed over my wifi on my current iphone through winscp to 450kilobytes a second. Same over USB. It's really slow. Hopefully, the 3G iphone comes with some read/write speed improvements.
Telstra actually offer the only unlimited data and SMS plan in Aus.
And its only 30 dollars a month for UNLIMITED (true unlimited).
Instant Messaging
Web browsing
Email
Standard text messaging (SMS)
Standard picture messaging (MMS)
http://www.telstra.com.au/hiptop/gethiptop_pricing.html
So yeah ... how can you say they are not any good? No one else offerse close to this.
Its even better than the AT&T unlimited plans in the US (also dont say "oh ... its not 3G" well neither is the current unlimited iphone plan on offer in the US.
Although isnt 42Mbps not specced yet? So how can the Iphone or telstra say it will work ? (therefore its most likley a fake).
But you that plan is for hiptops only. What good is that?
If that's true, then that's the best reason ever for me to go to Australia.
And Wow, only 60 cents a minute for calls plus a very reasonable 27 cents call connection fee.
We get sodomised on phone calls in australia.
Only for the HipTop (known as the Sidekick in the USA).
Motorola must be paying them tonnes.
Hopefully Apple will do a deal like this!
"Nice accent...Austria? Put another shrimp on the barbie, mate!"
I'd love to see Jobs' face if this was true. He'd be all red and puffy
My close friend is a Telstra executive and yes this is true. I emailed Engadget weeks ago with this news, but they obviously didn't take it on. It is absolutely 100% true that the new iPhone will operate on Telstra's Next G network, the fastest in Australia.
you gotta understand that people e-mail engadget all the time claiming that "my friend at the board of XXX told me that XXX will be buying engadget soon!", so it's understandable why they don't make a post until they can do a reasonable amount of confirmation first
I don't know, when it comes to iPhones, they don't seem to need much in the ways of confirmation and rumours generally :)
Fastest in the world too I believe :-)
It is true! I've already got one, hacked, unlocked it, and now on my way to Mars. Wow this iphone is blazing fast, and the reception is great!
T-minus. Deutsche Telekom, I hear you calling.
The proc, a Samsung S3C640 is only capable of 266Mbps so I'm inclined to think you're not correct about 2 Gbps.
douche-telekom
There. Fixed that for you.
Well maybe they mean it would someday be firmware upgradeable to HSPA+.
here is what we know:
1) There are ZERO phones on the market that I'm aware of that can even do 7.2mbps or 14.4mbps on regular HSDPA
2) Phones that can support the fast uplink of HSUPA are just now coming out in the next month.
3) The referenced 3G chipset found in the iPhone firmware doesn't even natively support HSUPA, so an included ability to do not just HSUPA but HSPA+ is unlikely.
Yes there are, just not in america
That was in answer to point 1
You realize that specs can change right?
My iPhone can't even draw 54mbps over 802.11g Wi-Fi. Can 42mbps over cellular HSPA possible? I'm pretty sure the iPhone can't process that much data at once.
Yes, this article is true! What it failed to mention, however, is that with these blazing speeds, the battery talk time is 17 minutes.
It is actually much more power-efficient to be able to do something quick (like downloading a large file). 3G is 3G, it doesn't suddenly use more power because it can deliver data in faster speeds.
For normal browsing, with the 3G sitting on all the time, it is much more power hungry
Well, if telstra DO release iPhone here, it's the guranteed death of exclusitivity.
Let's hope it does come out on three different providers.
"Dude, I think I just filled the cup."
Why is it that Microsoft went to Virtualization and Virtual Memory to support larger processing capability when all Microsoft software needed to do was to hibernate selected programming that was running and then theres the memory availability plus have Virtual memory available once again without losing anything or adding to the technicality of Windows operating System? It is ironic Microsoft allowed developers to push Virtualization and not make consideration to do this as it would have not cost Microsoft as much money to do it as it did to payoff developers, now Microsoft has to consider it as a challenge against developers of Virtualization since they need it for Windows Seven immediately. Help me ShockAll Microsoft on this idea. In hibernating selected running programming everything is saved to disk, unselecting a hibernation Sequence would put everything back to where it was before you selected it without disrupting Windows so the portion of programming you wanted to access would have memory available and not be bothered by other running programming. This seems the best avenue to approach controlling software instead of hiding content everywhere which is all Virtualization is doing with encryption making it much more difficult to break the system and to run all types of programming. Any type of programming could have a presetup so that instant hibernation could provide access to selected Windows features in addition to what you wanted to run so clicking a button would make is so instantly.
Wait, what?
Maybe because they didn't hire you?
I call BS on this.
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D.M. @ May 23rd 2008 5:05AM
Telstra actually offer the only unlimited data and SMS plan in Aus.
You really have not read about SkyPe http://www.skype.com/ have you. SkyPe has mobile phones and is heading towards 3G spirit but its a eBay company and eBay wants to sell it off cause they cannot develop it for use with eBay which is all they actually wanted from a phone service, to bad their option was SkyPe as I read about 'Panasonic VIERA PZ850 Internet-Ready HDTV' with all that it accesses ut theres no eBay access through it programmed into the TV so eBay would have to devise something of the order of a HDTV unit that would access the Internet for free as well as the free HDTV cntent and that goes into adding phone support into the unit so No eBay has much adverse planning, Skype is a failure for them and they expect to take a loss in selling it because its located in Germany making it much more difficult to comply to.
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That Fender Strat Guy @ May 23rd 2008 7:48AM
42mbps? Rubbish. 4.2mbps HSDPA, sure.
Yep, theres not even 48MBps software nor operating system so it is pulling its own weight nothing of the order that a 64MBps system couldn't match if Microsoft got a Yahoo Phone system in a deal with Yahoo then Google would have to go away to seek control of a phone so they have to get their own phone instead, they are not accessible with the HDTV's by Panasonic either so Google loses bigger by condending to overthrow Yahoo by controlling the stocks instead of outright purchasing it from Yahoo so their hopes for controlling Yahoo's board would fail and this ends Googles hopes for controlling Yahoo and Microsoft could make Yahoo bigger and better with Windows Seven instead which Google has nothing except a OS v2 browser OS System to match and nothing of the scale of 64MBps but anybody could install it if they had such a GOS.
Eh? Say again, please?
You may want to explore the joys of punctuation. It will increase the readability of long paragraphs by an extraordinary amount.
Are you the hybrid from a Cylon basestar?
Wait a sec, the so-called 3Mbps phone internet go at like 500Kbps from my experience, so how slow is this 42Mbps internet gonna go?
Nope you got it wrong...
theres bits and theres bytes
1 byte = 8 bits
so 8 Kbps = 1 KBps
You probably see the speeds in KBps
so 500 KBps would be like about 4 Mbps
Ok so the main processing chip in this iPhone is managing 42Mbps Evolved HSPA data instead of streaming it cause of memory built-ins making the missed data less occuring so its really a depricated version of the best operating system platform and a trashy compliance to the consumer market which in 50 years will see that sure was a waste of time because thermodynamic processing chips will ultimately bring down the operating temperature range and lower voltage for its operation and eventually supporting its own recharge system via wind and solar and I just do not see adding on this advantage when your paying so much for a phone it should be there out of the box for you without having to access the Internet or go to a Apple store, AT&T, or a Service Provider for the add-on if they ever consider adding it on to the iPhone.
"Please Billy please.. no gibberish tonight.. please.. I beg you."
To have good quality audio and video at least 8MBps rate for the carrier to provide like in a digital TV channel not analog 6MBps; but here you got Internet which must be at least 1.5MBps and data must be at least 6MBps to be good and thats 20.5 one way and twice that leaves you with a mere 1MBps which must be for the iPhone Service Provider to access its time component and fees and user access and other criteria the phone needs for its service connection and roaming capability and thats the full 42MBps but get this it just does not happen all at the same time and its stagged on a bandwidth which could be a mere 10MB not a heafty 42MB of course it could be less bandwidth on the low end around 2MB in increments of five total bandwidths in use or less. I am not a developer but it seems logical that its a new product and has appeal. It is something to research entirely to see the flow of everything in a drawing.
Apple's iPhone firmware 1.1.2 hacked already and thats the newest release. Unlocked versions are for non subscribers of a term calling plan like Pay-as-you-Go is unlocked versions being sold.
Please shut up.
Thank you.
2 sentences instead of one! It's an improvement! Keep working on it!
1.1.2 is the latest firmware? Well I'm a super elite hacker then cause i've got 1.1.4. how you like me now Beotch!
please drop cocaïne michael now
wtf. um B does not equal bit. You are saying byte, when everyone else is saying bit.
Seriously way to fanboy the Iphone into everything...
"We know what is coming we have seen the new device ...faster than a lot of broadband offerings and the fastest iPhone on any network in the world."
It says nothing that its an iphone. in fact it can be read expressly to says its not an Iphone "faster than...the fastest iPhone on any network in the world."
That can be a bb bold, it can be any phone that with launch in the next 7 month, which is years in tech time. Seriously get off the Iphone steve jobs cool aid train. The iphone is not the end all be all. There were touch screens before there will be touch screens after, there were phones crappier than the Iphone before there will be crappier phones after, there were better phones before there will be better phones after. Every time some mention new fast phone they may not be talking about a new iphone especially when they expressly say... "faster than...the fastest iPhone on any network in the world."suggesting its a better product than the iphone
These speeds are definitely on par with Telstra's pathway for it's NextG Network (albeit a little early). To my understanding, they are able to upgrade their current network speeds up to the 42Mbps point before having to perform any hardware upgrades on their towers. The more questionable thing isn't the speed but the timeframe.... and the data costs that are going to be heaped with it. I vote for hiptop/sidekick plan on the iPhone!
This is just irresponsible reporting of a story on so many levels. Cmon engadget, you arent that dumb.
Q U I C K ! ! !
All you idiots lined up in NY, get on a plane and go line up in Sydney!
42 Mb/s people! Did you hear that?!
Telstra's network is def capable of these speeds, it currently has throttling on it at the moment, my brother who lives in Sydney currently gets between 13 and 13.8Mbps, from what I have read it is the most advances mobile network in the world. By the way I haven't just read that from their own site just google it, many places including Japan have nothing but praise for it, including it's massive coverage areas and scope of coverage from each single tower is amazing, it is pretty heavy on the pocket $ wise though.
you have to actually read the words in the qoute - CAPABLE of 42mbps - what that means is that it is compatible with the speed of a network that has a theoretical top end of 41Mbps. uh - yea. Additionally, PEAK and TYPICAL area always two different things. I really find it helarious that ATT is tweaking about getting their network to 3G three full years after SPRINT and Verizons CDMA. It's like that one guy at the party who thinks he's the first to have the newest suit at a party, and realizes that everyone already has that... welcome to the big boys table, AT&T. What took you so long, and why is your "3G" network so small?
the Infineon S-GOLD3 chip (baseband) is only capable of 7.2mbps so thats the max of the iPhone so 42 is completely useless.
"iPhone's alleged baseband chip—the Infineon's S-GOLD3, which tops at 7.2Mbps"
www.gizmodo.com
iPhone known to cure cancer and create world peace
You forgot about solving global warming.
and abolishing hunger.
Engadget: 3G iPhone to support 42Mbps Evolved HSPA data?
Me: I don't know Engadget, if I knew i would answer you.
HSPA+ will require a 4 array antenna. Which wont be available in cell phones for now.
If it really will be able to run at speeds like that will they actually put a modem in the thing this time ?
I will have to agree with PACKETSNIFER up there, The iPhone or any other mobile phone have the prossessing power for anything close to that bandwith. Maybe, perhaps, the looooooooooooooong waited iTablet?
As i understand it, Telstra uses the 850MHz band for their Next G network, (as opposed to 2100MHz) which hardly anyone else in the world uses. It would be nice if Apple made a special iPhone just for us, but given how long it took Australia to get the iTunes store and iPhoto printing, i have my doubts...
This is so sad. We barely get 6MBs cable internet in the U.S and a paltry 3 mbs "3G". Meanwhile the only 2 GSM carriers finnally got their shit together recently and released their now primitive 3G capabilities and sprint can't seem to keep their shit together for the release of WiMax. Ohh where are the google gods when you need them?
bullshit. they can't even give me a decent 1.5mb wired adsl connection. I don't believe they can get 42mb wireless connection by the end of the year. It doesn't really matter anyway because their plans are like "15mb wireless across 98% of Australia" and then in the fine print it says 100mb of downloads each month and then it's like a million dollars if you go over the limit.
Isn't one of the "Senior executives of Telstra" none other than that douche bag Sol Trujillo that destroyed the old U.S.West and then left the country?
When it's unlocked, I'm in...
To my ears this sounds like the 3G iPhone will contain one of those programmable 3G chips that can be upgraded via firmware to run any 3G protocol and/or frequency you can imagine. And that would be way cool.
Consider that when they say 42Mbps they mean that's the theoretical maximum. I am pretty sure in real life you won't get more than 6 - 10Mbps out of it, at the most.
6 to 10 Mbits, sorry you missed the boat, users in Australia have been getting more than that on the next G network for a while now, try 13 to 14 Mbits, not just theoretical, that's from 1st hand knowledge, I will admit Telstra are pretty heavy on the pricing which kills, but they are the leaders in Australia for speeds (ie 30Mbit on cable, currently testing 100Mbit on Docsis 3.0)
AT&T stores are banning vacations from mid June to mid July. They did the same thing June 29 last year...