3G iPhone firmware leaked: tri-band HSDPA and GPS are go
By Ryan Block 
posted June 6th 2008 9:14PM
posted June 6th 2008 9:14PM
It's easy to take for granted the 3G iPhone's launch at this point. After all, Steve said it was "coming later this year," as did a number of prominent mobile executives. And then there's been the barrage of carrier announcements, many in international markets that use UMTS and have zero support for the iPhone as we know it today. But the fact of the matter is we've had very little to go on by way of material evidence -- until now.We have it from a reliable source that a version of the 3G iPhone's firmware has been released -- possibly for carrier partners currently field-testing the device -- and has since been dissected. While nothing is ever guaranteed, in combing through the raw data, we think we got more than enough information on the low-level hardware and drivers that run the device to make some informed conclusions about what we can expect: quad-band GSM support (as we currently have), A-GPS (as we'd already gotten from another source), and tri-band UMTS / HSDPA -- which would make the new iPhone(s) 3G-capable in just about every market in the world. Hardware details after the break. We're through the looking-glass, people!
All the dirty details:
- Infineon PMB6952 / S-GOLD3 six-band UMTS / HSDPA transceiver (as we'd heard)
- Murata LMRX3JCA-479 tri-band amplifier (we're assuming for the 3G)
- Sony SP9T antenna switch for GSM / UMTS dual mode
- ARM 1176JZF-S - Main CPU (same as in 1st gen iPhone)
- Skyworks 77427 chip - UMTS / HSDPA tx 1900MHz, rx 2100MHz
- Skyworks 77414 chip - UMTS / HSDPA 1900MHz
- Skyworks 77413 chip - UMTS / HSDPA 850MHz
- Internal build model number: n82ap (1st gen iPhone was model m68ap)
- UMTS Power Saving option - on or off
- Hooks for Global Locate Library (GLL), software that handles A-GPS related commands for the host processor
@Meatpop
You're a little behind the times, dude. An iPhone is not worth much to you, but it is to some people. I wouldn't pay a nickel for a Cuban cigar, but some people would kill to take a puff. If your brain can manage, check out some black market iPhone's prices. More like Moscow and not Siberia.
"The iPhone is one of the ultimate status symbols in Russia these days. Although they can't be used legally on local cell phone networks, more than 300,000 Russians own iPhones, which are selling in some stores for as much as $900."
in Soviet Russia, iPhone own *you*
can anyone confirm that ATT will subsidize the prices of the new models?
The people who can, won't. The people who would, can't. (Until Monday that is.)
Cringely called it almost a year ago.
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070705_002421.html
Disappointed it has the same CPU. I get more than enough lags and wait time (camera startup time, SMS list load time, etc.) I'm assuming this is CPU related, but maybe its storage access speed... anyone know what that relies on most? Free storage space?
It's actually possible/probable that the processor is clocked higher than the one in the 1st gen iPhone. It's used in other consumer electronics with all sorts of different clock speeds.
I agree - current CPU is too slow. No wonder Apple does not allow background processess. I'm convinced that Safari is usually waiting on the CPU - not on EDGE. This is easily proven by loading web pages off a local server over WiFi. 3G isn't going to help slow web page renders....
DOES ANYONE KNOW IF I CAN EXPECT MMS ON THIS THING? I JUST SOLD MY 16gb iPhone,i could honestly care less about 3g...add picture messaging and video camera and im good....these are basic features...should not have been left out
garen, use email for sending mutlimedia... and every unlocked iphone can do video for some time now!
MMS=$$$
email=free (included in flat rate)
e-mail is useless and will remain so until there will only be push email. mms is good because the content is received instantly, and you are notified when the other person gets it.
"e-mail is useless and will remain so until there will only be push email. mms is good because the content is received instantly, and you are notified when the other person gets it."
That's a good point, not to mention, not everyone can access and read email or attachments on their phones, nor are they always next to a computer to receive it that way.
MMS is essential these days. (So is 'cut-and-paste' on a phone like the iPhone, but that's another topic).
hi, im just curious.is anybody knows whether this iphone will be locked as the 1st gen iphone?
is the GPS still made by Broadcom (like the rumor)? I only ask because if so, i could be making some cash in the market. If not, uh ... i gotta sell quick.
duffiecochran: damn, you troll for M$??? WTF... LOL...
just look at the market share of mobile safari, and the mobile browsers of all other smartphones!!!
then you know what the success of the iphone really is and what the market share in a few years will be...
even ignorant people like you need their time to catch on... even though i'd be much happier if you stick to wimo and an HTC... please don;t get an iphone...!!!!
you said it well "market share" of mobile safari, and the mobile browsers of all other cellphones. it's good because 'huge market share' doesn't mean 'good'.. just shows how a well-oiled marketing machine can push such truckloads of crap unto the masses.
tell me please, how many websites are readable on your 'perfect' mobile safari immediately after loading, with no need to zoom?...
tell me please, did you try the s60v3 browser, that's been around for one year+ before the iphone was outed?..
so, who's uninformed now, my friend?
I dont exactly agree with smokeonit, but @andi:
To a company, 'huge market share' means nothing but 'good'. Anyone would rather a product with huge market share over one without faults.
will the 3g iphone work with rogers ?
So, no potential compatibility with t-mobile 3g in the states?
"Skyworks 77413 chip - UMTS / HSDPA 850MHz"
YES. w00t, it'll work out in the middle of australia on Telstra's NextG network :-)
cassini:
the BT stack is for the "old" iphone... so a-gps can be implemented... no gps, no a-gps...
the big problem with gps is the "warm up" time, the time from boot to a fix on the satellites, normally 30 seconds for really fast gps chips, up to 120 seconds for really slow chips... that's why a-gps is implemented and needed... nobody wants to wait more than 30 seconds for the frist location data... and gps always on is not really an option, would suck battery like crazy....
You're all twerps and gunthers.
It's spelled iPhone and it's spelled Internet... not iphone, not Iphone and certainly not internet.
Yes, I am the typo police.
Go suck an egg you moolies.
I hope to access the internets on my iphone if I ever buy one...
I like the i-phone concept, but don't like the locked down nature of its implementation.
copy and pasting from the inter-net would be a nice addition...
I know this will never happen but i wish apple would sign a deal with alltel. I love out service, i hardly ever lose a signal, it would be great to have iphone capability on alltel plans
Damn. With all these new features, GPS, a potential price drop, I feel bad as an existing iPhone owner. However, I'm equally interested in the software changes that we would see. There are 10 things I hate about the iphone, http://www.openxfer.com/wordpress/2008/06/06/ten-things-i-hate-about-iphones-2/ and I must admit that most of these are not hardware related. Although I'm excited to see GPS, I guess we can kiss Garmin goodbye...
Has anyone heard if the 2nd gen iPhone/iPod touch supports 802.11n wireless? I've heard about every other possible details except this. Is no one else interested in this?? Having an iPod touch that supports only 802.11g is the only thing preventing me from switching my AirPort Extreme to the 5GHz 'n-only' setting that really makes my wifi cloud scream.
Anyone? Anyone? Guess I'll only have to wait until Monday...
I solved that problem by not throwing away my old Linksys when I bought the Airport Extreme.
I seriously doubt it. For starters, it would kill the battery in a real hurry. I would consider it a no-show. 802.11n is still bleeding-edge stuff, and IMO there is no chance for it in this product.
Umm... yeah, me... uh, me here. Not tryin to kill any misguided fantasies or anything but uhh... has ANYONE seen this legendary device of infancy actually pass pass through the great golden gates of the FCC? No? Yeah, I uh... didn't think so.
I heard they can request it not to be revealed. But I know nothing about this stuff, to be honest.
Wait...so this means the 3G iPhone WILL have the 3G on/off???
@Kyle Hance
Bush, a good president?? I guess you don't follow approval ratings, he has got the worst one in history. Seriously, Mickey Mouse could do a better job. I see he has done one thing well, and that's brainwash you.
You don't deserve an iPhone for putting President Bush and good together in a sentence.
Get over it, you lost twice a in the last 8 years - this is a phone forum !!!
So A-GPS = assisted (basically network based triangulation - not very accurate) does this thing have a real gps chip?
If no real gps i will stick with nokia
No, do you not get it? Assisted GPS uses phone location to -->help
"We have it from a reliable source that a version of the 3G iPhone's firmware has been released -- possibly for carrier partners currently field-testing the device -- and has since been dissected. While nothing is ever guaranteed, in combing through the raw data, we think we got more than enough information on the low-level hardware and drivers that run the device to make some informed conclusions about what we can expect"
This sentence is confusing me. Did you have the firmware to go through the data? Is someone going through the data and giving you the info? i'm just not convinced that there is no camera upgrade or front facing camera.
The tri-band UMTS support makes this tempting, however, I can't stand that it won't work on T-Mobile USA's upcoming UMTS! I refuse to help make AT&T the monopoly!
Oh yeah, and I want a flash!
I'm confused about the different networks support listed.
Does this mean that every iPhone 2.0 will support ALL of these networks? Or will there be 3 different models?
Specifically, my question is whether this indicates that ONE iPhone will be able to get voice service in the US, China, Japan, Europe, etc.?
(I'm not so concerned about data service while roaming from the US, due to enormous cost...)
1st Perhaps it is better to not be "smart" and sarcastic for the sake of it.
This makes the comments look bad.
2nd Switchbitch; You have no idea at this point what will be final final
features and benefit list will look like until AFTER the Jobsnote, be civil or leave.
3rd Sounds like it is the "same" heart of the Gen 1 with a form of GPS, 3G transfer speeds, ability to use all over the world and probably some SOFTWARE/Video/Photographic features yet to be confirmed. Sounds like people like myself will not be so sad about our 1st Gen phones with new 2.0 software. I say good., If I want the best, I can buy it, if I keep my phone I will be pretty happy, I have what I have and it has been a great year with my best new friend. Win- Win I think. Now Steve , give me my fricking mid size Mac ProSumer box...in black!!!!!!!
Nothing has hit the FCC yet for testing/approval so it may be announced Monday, but it will be at least 3 months out....
I dont understand what the big deal is about a 3G iphone. As you can see from this coverage viewer, GSM 3G coverage in the US is pretty much nowhere.
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/
So, this is probably a stupid question, but when all you speed freaks buy the new iPhone for the 3G support does that mean that EDGE will get improved speeds from having less users?
Apple ready to unlock 3G iPhone
By Mark Kleinman and Dominic White
Last Updated: 12:27am BST 08/06/2008
The next stage of the global mobile phone revolution is about to arrive on British shores, and for some consumers, the experience will be heavily subsidised.
Steve Jobs, the boss of Apple
Steve Jobs is expected to unveil the 3G iPhone in California tomorrow
The Sunday Telegraph has learned that O2, which has an exclusive agreement to distribute Apple's iPhone in this country, is set to give away the 3G version of the handset to its highest-spending customers when it launches here next month.
Steve Jobs, the boss of Apple, is expected to unveil the 3G iPhone in California tomorrow, signalling a radical change in the distribution model for the world's most sought-after mass-market mobile phone.
As part of the shake-up, which is designed to help Apple shift 10m iPhone handsets globally this year, O2 is expected to offer the first pay-as-you-go version of the iPhone, and to force contract customers to sign up to the network before leaving stores with the phone.
# More on telecoms
The 3G version of the phone, which has been shrouded in typical Apple secrecy, will offer faster surfing speeds and a GPS connection, and is likely to be offered free only to customers on the most expensive 18-month tariffs.
However, to date Apple has sold just 5.4m iPhones, a tiny fraction of the 1.2bn global mobile phone market that is dominated by manufacturers such as Nokia, which alone sold 437m phones last year.
In a bid to take the phone to the mass market, Apple chief executive Steve Jobs has dropped his resistance to the sales techniques that have made the mobile phone the best-selling consumer electronics device of all time.
In return for allowing networks to subsidise the iPhone, it is thought that Apple will take a higher proportion of the ongoing revenues from customer usage of the phones.
Apple also wants to prevent contract customers "unlocking" the iPhone for a small fee at specialist mobile phone shops and inserting the SIM card from their existing provider into the handset.
Analysts estimate that as many as 30 per cent of iPhone users have used this technique, which has denied Apple and O2 any of the ongoing usage revenue.
Apple and O2 both declined to comment.
Source: Sunday Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/06/08/cniphone108.xml
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Introducing the new iPhone 3G! 3G gives you fast access to the Internet and email over your cellular network. And 3G makes it easier to multitask: When connected via 3G, you can surf the web even while you’re on a call. An iPod, phone, and an internet mobile communicator in one device. 3.5 inch wide touchscreen display with multi-touch support. Comes with a 2 megapixel camera with 16 GB of storage. Runs Mac OS X. Service plan not included.
Features OS Mac OS X v10.4.10
Messaging SMS, Email
Browser HTML (Safari)
Games No
Colors Black(8/16 GB), White (16 GB)
Camera 2 MP, 1600x1200 pixels
- Built-in GPS receiver
- A-GPS function
- Google Maps
- Widgets support
- iPod audio/video player
- PIM including calendar, to-do list
- TV output
- Photo browser/editor
- Voice memo
- Integrated handsfree
Battery Standard battery, Li-Ion
Stand-by Up to 300 h
Talk time Up to 10 h