Paris who? Sony Ericsson's let yet another one slip out of its fingers before the official announcement, this time around a killer slider said to be the Cyber-shot C905, codenamed "Shiho." If the rumors pan out, it's got one heck of a rap sheet, too, starting off with an 8.1 -- yes, eight point flippin' one -- megapixel camera with both xenon and LED flashes (for still and video capture, respectively), GPS, TV out,
DLNA certification, and HSDPA in your choice of European and American flavors. The screen's apparently just QVGA, but in light of everything else we're hearing, we might just be willing to let that slide. It'll apparently be announced on the 17th of the month in gold, silver, and black for a fourth quarter release. Wowza!
[Thanks, Adrian]
posted Jun 10th 2008 10:37PM
Pfft, my IPhone is still better, even though it has only 2 mp camera, no flash, no video recording and no...
Oh NEVERMIND!!!!
3mp should be the standard by now
nice one from SE...I was expecting Nokia to do it first!
by the way, nice avatar! Final Fantasy X....it was good times ;)
iPhone's camera sucks.
How am I suppossed to take pictures of women's asses while they aren't watching if I gotta stand 100% still due to the crappy refresh rate.
*Imitates familiar appleboy voice*
Your codenamed "Sh*tho" is no match for the 3G iPhone.
?I love picking my nose?
(Oh, I'm so going to regret posting this.)
Haha, I think his little quotes at the end are so stupid.
iPhone does some things better than other phones. Taking pictures is most definitely not one of the those things.
Meh, I'll still buy a 3G Iphone. For $199, I'll get what I need.
For video recording, I'll take my VX2100 over a piece of shit cell phone camera.
Nate:
keep dreaming, you won't be getting anything at $199 for your iPhone besides the phone.
To even exploit its new feature, you have to sign up for a costly data plan and then an additional GPS nagivation service plan, so look to cough up at least $100 / month, and about $2,500 during the 2 years you own one if you want to make use of it.
On a SERO plan however, you would only be spending half of that for more features, less intrusive and limiting policies imposed by a single entity (i.e. Apple) wishing to control all facets of their phone and ATT's use of it, and more robust phones to boot, all while saving > $1000 throughout the 2 year period.
You are getting suckered and don't even realize it yet, but if you do, then well, that speaks pretty much for itself.
Megapixels stop mattering past around 5. I really i doubt that tiny lens has the resolution to make use of the sensor anyways. what i would LOVE to see is an optical zoom which would be way better than jacking up the megapixels.
Do You Know What Would Be Sick...
An SLR Camera In A Phone That Would Kick Ass
wow... thats awesome!
Mines Bigger
That's what she... nevermind.
Interesting post!
ugh please have decent video recording this time around, it sucks so hard on all SE phones...Nokia are leagues ahead, im just about ready to get back on the SE train as I cant
send receive files via bluetooth
MMS
Copy Paste
Store things on it to view like every other phone on the market
on my iphone
Same people who leaked it are saying it records VGA video
Boo hoo.
8.1MP is all well and good, but I wonder how the optics are on it. Proper autofocus is a must of course, but it'd be really neat with optical zoom on it too.
It is a CYBERSHOT phone, so it'll be using the same lenses as Sony's digital cameras.
I don't know that I agree, Kev. I had the N95-1 then went for the K850. Same megapixel level but I never liked the SE look. & the shutter lag wasn't any better, but the video was terrible.
I dumped the K850 for the N95 8gb & thanks to two firmwares the camera speed is very good, video is still good but saves faster & Nokia's got all the other nice stuff on top of it (not a dumb-phone, wifi, etc).
Strangely I'm eyeing the N78. Camera's a step down, but the design is great & I like candybars.
as a k800i owner its safe to say that your wrong about the n95 cam vs k800i. I dont know about the k850 but the stupidest thing about the k800i was lack of optical zoom. Pack as many MP in as you want but when you have to stretch each pixel to make it look "zoomed in" then its worthless.
The K850i actually had a *worse* camera than the K800/810i. In fact, it has been their worst premium phone for some time now. The k800i camera is in fact better than the N95 5mp.
Optical zoom is useless on a phonecam, I have the G800 and I never, ever need the feature.
Rushed post over, meeting imminent.
/wrists
Kev50273 @ Jun 10th 2008 11:34PM
Sony has always been the leader when it comes to optics.
O RLY? I can think of many companies that make better optics. They've all stayed away from cameraphones because the sensors suck so badly and the technology doesn't exist to make a good sensor small enough.
Why are we still pretending that megapixels are the be all and end all of photography? "Wow, what a crap picture!" "Hey, you can't say that, it has 14 megapixels, the big yellow sticker on it says so!" "So how big's the sensor?" "Uhhh....."
At least it's a starting point of comparison between cell phone cameras.
i would say look at this
http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/omnivision-claims-8-megapixel-omnibsi-sensor-will-turn-cellphone/
or you can say screw size and trow one of these in it
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/30/sonys-24-81-megapixel-cmos-sensor-going-pro-this-year/
I'd be happier with less megapixels and better image quality.
What about less noise at higher ISO ?
megapixels ain't the be-all-end-all.
But this Cyber-shot phone is going to be compared to the Cyber-shot point-and-shoots, not a DSLR.
Likely this Cyber-shot C905 is going to be using the same miniature sensors like in compact point-and-shoots.
Its certainly better then the crap 2MP camera on the iPhone or many cellphones. Judging by the lens and sensor, this should take decent enough pictures . It ain't a Nikon D3, but it ain't crap low-res camera phone pics either.
heard they're awesome with taking pictures of people jumping out of airplanes too.
nice to see no more problematic joystick-related Sony Ericsson designs. DLNA is unique in a phone.
Not a fan of the sliding form-factor, but this looks feature-packed. Apparently it's not running Symbian and no option for Opera over that wifi, but overall looks good, if the performance adds up.
DLNA is most certainly not unique
http://www.dlna.org/news/pr/view?item_key=7ca2aaf9472fbee4bed16098aea05f55966e44f5
Fernando, unique for SE?
;)
yes make my next phone decision harder please.
thank you Apple, sony ericsson, HTC, Blackberry, Samsung, LG
Haha, I totally agree... though, I kinda enjoy the 17 hours I spend obsessing over every little pro and con over the 6 different options to choose from...
@ Dyranios - I hear this "capitalism" thing actually stems competition... so "supposedly" more/better phones should show up every year... lol so theoretically this phone wont have any of those problems, cause you know... the iphone is perfect... ugh why can't companies use common sense?
Don't forget Nokia with its upcoming N96, E66, E71, N85 etc.
looks like I found my next phone.
Agreed. Fuck the iPhone and AT&T's contracts, I'm waiting for this now :O
Wow-you actually praised something that wasn't apple.
Anyway, sounds cool. Can't wait to see it officially.
price range & phone company anybody?
you can use it with any provider who uses GSM...
Yes, wonderful.
8.1 brilliant megapixels of unrelenting noise all over.
Apparently you've never heard of the Sony Ericsson CyberShot line...
I think that he's saying that precisely because of the "Cyber-shot" brand :p
I know this does not matter in the end, but how can you appreciate those amazing pictures on a lackluster screen
view them on a different device....
carefully though
Well, right when I was about to sell my Razr2 to get the new iPhone you do this to me Engadget. Thank you very much. As if I was not conflicted enough about buying an Apple product, now I have to debate about whether I have the patience to wait until the fourth quarter for this beauty. But then, maybe I oughta just get the Touch Diamond at that point. Or maybe the Sony Experia.
Damn it!
Wow, you have the resources to get the Xperia or Touch Diamond and you're stuck choosing between those phones and the iPhone II? Wow.
I don't know, it seems kinda clear cut which of those phones is the best.
(Hint: It's the Xperia.) I mean, if you don't mind WinMo or OSX on the iPhone (not that there's a problem with either), the features of the winner (see hint), render it the clear winner.
Moral of the story: Xperia wins.
...wait, I'm posting this on an article about the SE C905....first time I'm mentioning it...hah.
Makes my K800i (3.1mp) feel ever smaller and not cool, which use to only be compaired to the K850i (5mp), but now out done by an eight point flippin' one mp!
8 MP is bad. With such a poor quality sensor, the images are going to have lots of noise.
The megapixel race is harmful to camera (and camera phone) quality. Instead of improving the optics and sensor, the manufacturers just increase megapixel counts to entice unaware customers, most of whom will not benefit from it.
decent keypad finally...not like K850i
Watch out- those keys look flush. The K850 didn't take too long to get used to.
Mines Bigger
It's a phone or a camera that can make a phone call?
where can I find more information on OSE A250?
I'm not willing to let the QVGA screen slide. It sucks.
Seriously, an 8.1 MP camera with a mere QVGA screen?
I guess it's ok if you're only into taking photos. But for web browsing .. QVGA is a pain.
For a 2.4" screen, QVGA is OK.
Well that's that, I'll be definitely staying with SE in the future. Just too bad all these cool phones won't get picked up by my carrier and I'll have to pay at least 300€+ if I ever decide to get them.
Oh well...
Trade a iphone for it! seriously i want this
Looks very nice. Normally would go for something like this. But since getting a Lumix FX-500, no camera phone can ever match it and it's HD video recording. Stick to 3G iPhone this time.
Very lusty but I'm a flip phone guy.
If they can pack all that punch, why is it so hard for SE to push a phone with a VGA screen? I know the XPERIA has a WVGA screen, and I love that.
Megapixel myth!
The sensor won't be larger than any of the 5MP cell phone cameras out there, the image will just be larger and noisier.
Comparing cameras by their megapixel rating is not very helpful. Is the sensor in this phone as good as the one in your 8MP digital camera? And is that as good as the 8MP digital SLR you bought last year?
It's all about sensor size - for the same size sensor I'd take a smaller, clearer 5MP over a large noisy 8MP.
And how do you know they haven't increased the sensor size?
Nearlly... Just make it half the thickness and I'll bite.
Only one article on this phone? That's quite unfair of you, Engadget
Nice phone, and that MP count is insane, the most my family has on a digital camera is only 6
okay?
6megapixels is like TWICE the resolution of HIGH DEFINITION
1080p = 1900 x 1200 resolution ; I view 1080p on a 48inch plasma television
6 megapixels = 2896 x 2172 resolution ; I view 6 megapixels at 640 x 480 on facebook
more like 1 and a half higher than 1080p. my point was made regardless.
That looks very nice, though I think the keypad might be a bit tricky.
P.S. 8.1MP on such "camera" (small lens) is not whole lot better than let's say 5 - you get higher resolution with double the noise. I really think unless they start making bigger lenses around 5MP should be the limit for phones, maybe even less. I'd rather see better optical zoom if it's possible.
the real cybershot phone! so cool!
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