iPhone 3G: everything you ever wanted to know (but were afraid to ask)
If you're anything like us, just about everyone in your family has called you up this week to ask if you think they should get the iPhone 3G; it really doesn't help matters that there's just an absurd amount of (mis)information floating around about it right now, too. So this one's for you and your fam -- we're dishing out the straight dope on iPhone 3G, a to z, so feel free to pass it on.So, what's with the new iPhone 3G?
Well, it's pretty much the same iPhone as before -- except now it's down to $200, and has way faster 3G data, A-GPS (which is even better than regular GPS), as well as a flush headphone jack (which is great for anyone who doesn't want to use Apple's bundled headphones). Oh, and it's also a little thinner around the edges, and a little thicker at the center. If you want to know what it was like to try out, check out our iPhone 3G hands-on.
How'd they get the price so low? The iPhone used to be crazy expensive.
Actually, depending on how you do the math it's not actually cheaper. Now, in some countries the iPhone is free when you sign up for service, and in the US you'll pay $200 for the 8GB model -- half what it was a month ago -- so you're definitely paying less up front. But the data plans cost more now, so you might wind up spending more money over the long run.
Um, ok.
Look, gadgets only get cheaper as time goes on, and Apple's sold enough iPhones to continue to lower their cost to manufacture each unit. But more importantly, Apple's re-arranged its business deals to get carrier subsidies. Basically, what that means for Apple is they've decided to stop asking their carrier-partners for a cut of your monthly service fees. In exchange, the carriers have agreed to pay a significant chunk of the cost of your new iPhone 3G in order to get you to sign up.
So everybody supposedly wins: Apple sells more devices and still makes good money, AT&T gets more subscribers, and you get a cheaper iPhone. But there is a financial toll to this: AT&T estimates that helping you pay for your new iPhone will actually cost them $600 million through 2010. But clearly the numbers indicate that the short term cost will be worth it for them the long run.
Does that mean Apple doesn't make as much money per phone?
For all we know Apple might actually be making more money per phone now. With the original iPhone 3G, you paid "full price" for an iPhone -- $600 at its high point. Now you'll be paying no more than $200 (and as little as nothing in some countries) for the 8GB model, so we don't really know exactly how much of Apple's price the carriers are knocking off. We think it's fair to assume it'd still be in the $400-450 retail range, though, if it wasn't subsidied. Which it is.
What's up with the data and SMS pricing?
Well, Apple will be in 70 countries (and counting) this year, so you'll get different plans from region to region. But in the US, users will have to sign up for a minute plan that includes an extra $30 rate for 3G data access (and has no bundled text messages). This is $10 more than the original iPhone's rate plan, which was $20 for data and 200 included SMSs. Matching voice plans start at $40 per month, so you'll basically be able to get started at $70 per month. (We've also got a bit more on AT&T's new plans here.)
I heard you can't activate the iPhone at home anymore, is that true?
This is still a little fuzzy. Here's the deal: with the first iPhone, Apple used to let you buy it in the store and take it home to activate. This process is unlike almost every other phone on the market, but since it's Apple, and because you were paying full price for the device, if you never activated it with AT&T or just unlocked it and sent it to your friend in China or whatever, it wasn't a big deal. Apple made their money on the device, and AT&T didn't lose anything.
But since now AT&T is basically picking up a huge portion of the cost of your iPhone 3G, they want to make damn sure you aren't going to unlock it or send it to a friend. From what we've heard, you'll likely have to start the activation process in-store (so Apple and AT&T knows exactly who's buying the device), and then you might be able to finish it off at home. It's definitely not ideal, but it's the only way they can prevent people from basically walking away with a few hundred dollars of AT&T's money. And at the end of the day, it probably won't be WORSE than buying any other kind of phone though -- anyone who's bought a phone from a US carrier in the last 10 years will be well acquainted with the process.
I heard you have to turn over your iPhone when you upgrade, is that true?
Naw, you bought it, it's yours to hang on to. But if you bought one within Apple's grace period, they'll let you upgrade it free. (More on that below.) But if you bought an original iPhone early on -- which means half of your two year contract is about up -- know that when you buy an iPhone 3G you'll be re-upping that two year contract from date of purchase. So if you buy an iPhone 3G on day one, your new contract will expire on July 11th, 2010.
So if I bought an original iPhone, I can trade it in for an iPhone 3G?
Yes, but only if you bought it AFTER May 27th, 2008. Anyone who bought theirs before that has to live with their purchase -- not that anyone can stop you from showing up to your local Apple store and raising a ruckus.
Can I continue using my original iPhone? Will they still update it?
Yes, and yes! Although the first gen iPhone is officially no longer being made, not even Apple would be so bold as to deactivate the 6m iPhones already out there. They intend to release their big 2.0 software release for iPhones and iPods touch on or around July 11th, which will be the same software running on the iPhone 3G.
What if I decide I don't like the iPhone 3G?
Apple and AT&T offer a 30-day money back guarantee (just in case you don't get coverage in the places you most often frequent). After that you pay a $175 early termination fee (ETF), which goes down each month over the course of your 24 month contract.
Is faster 802.11n WiFi supported?
Nope, it's still just 802.11b/g. Seriously though, you're a fringe case if you need more than 54Mbps to your cellphone.
Can I use voice and data at the same time?
Yes and no: unlike the original iPhone -- which did not support EDGE class A, and sent calls to voicemail while you were browsing the web -- the UMTS / HSDPA-based iPhone 3G should be able to handle data and calls at the same time when in 3G mode. So that means if you get coverage, you'll be fine. But if you're in a spot where there's only EDGE service, you likely won't be able to do voice and data at the same time.
I heard rumors that this thing can get up to 40Mbps over 3G, is that true?
Right now AT&T's HSDPA network is supposedly capped out at 1.4Mbps for phones, but we hear the iPhone is rated for HSDPA 3.6 (3.6Mbps), and AT&T claims its network speeds will go even faster than that by next year.
What did they mean by "greatly improved" audio quality?
Well, we heard about it two ways: Apple claims they've both improved the audio circuitry and quality of the signal to your headphones, but also cleaned up the in-call sound quality. We haven't tested this at length though, so we'll let you know if that's the case once it launches.
Can I use the iPhone on any carrier?
It's not unlocked, so no, you can't. While we're sure that iPhone hackers will figure out a way to unlock it for the betterment of all mankind, you're pretty much expected to use it with your designated domestic carrier, and pay the usual exorbitant roaming fees when you leave the country.
I hear that even though it has GPS I can't use it as a nav unit, what's up with that?
According to the SDK agreement, it looks like Apple doesn't want you using your iPhone to replace your Garmin. But it should still technically be feasible, and they demoed their Google Maps app doing geo-caching, so it's really a matter of intended use. Apple, apparently, doesn't want the device to be used that way -- but at the end of the day it may just be a contract mishap. We'll know soon!
Why doesn't it do video / MMS / A2DP / scrub my callouses / pick up my dry cleaning?
Clearly Apple has the technological prowess to make (most of) that stuff happen, but for whatever reason they've chosen not to support it. Maybe it's because of battery life issues, maybe it's because Steve just didn't see the need. Either way, it's a philosophical decision for them, so they may never change it. Bummer, right?
So what the hell do I do with my old iPhone?
The funny thing about a $200 3G iPhone is that it makes it pretty difficult to sell your original iPhone. Unless you know someone who doesn't need the 3G, we'd suggest keeping it as a backup, or even jailbreaking and unlocking for use when traveling overseas (in places have GSM networks).
If you do try to sell or give away your old phone, do yourself a favor and read about how you can completely erase it. Just hitting the format iPhone button won't actually remove all your data, and you really don't want your private conversations and passwords to be recovered by someone else, do you?
All that's well and good, but I have a question you didn't answer.
42. Just kidding. Leave it in the comments below! If it's a good one (and something we have or can get the answer to) we'll add it in!
Reader followup questions
Chris asks: Can these devices be purchased and given as gifts?
No. You will need to walk out of the AT&T or Apple store with the device activated.
Greekjgg asks: What if I want to buy one for work which already uses AT&T for company account? I can't activate in store, obviously, so will it be possible to to buy without a contract?
We don't have details yet but iPhones for business use will likely be provisioned through your company's IT department.
Tons of people ask: If I purchase an original iPhone from a friend will I be able to get the old data plan pricing? Or will I need to sign up at the new, more expensive rate?
Yes. You can get the old data plan price if someone gives you a device and you establish service for yourself.
Chris and SeditioN VII ask: What's the no-commitment price?
We have not yet announced the unsubsidized price.
We follow up: So you WILL be able to buy it without the two year commitment?
We haven't announced whether or not that will be offered.
Vic asks: Will long-time customers who are otherwise eligible for a free or reduced-price handset upgrades be able to lower the price when buying the iPhone 3G?
No one will pay less than $199 for the 8GB or $299 for the 16GB models. As you know, those are subsidized prices.
Matt asks: Say I just recently signed up with AT&T, standard contract. Now I want to get an iPhone 3G -- will I have to pay more than $199 for the phone because it's subsidized? For example, if I were to upgrade to a Blackberry now, I can't get the advertised $99 price (because I am a new, existing subscriber); my price is $374.
It depends on whether or not you are eligible for an upgrade.
We ask: What is the penalty for not activating the phone in 30 days? How will that be enforced?
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1.) From what I saw in the keynote the only difference is a 3G radio and an A-GPS chip. All other hardware stayed the same (CPU/GPU).
Can I tether it to my laptop ? And if not, is this something an app could be written for fairly easily ?
Curious if all the enterprise fortune 500 companies folks they beta tested with actually carry around an air card and the phone ?
thanks in advance
Apple is using A-GPS, simply because its superior to standard GPS. Now that there is a robust SDK and OSX with a powerful CPU, developers can create unique applications to take advantage of this. Thats why the other "me too" companies are in a panic and continue to spout FUD about the iPhone.
...A-GPS is basically standard in Windows Mobile devices. this iPhone does not have a more powerful CPU than the last
That takes out 2 of your points...
As to the SDK, people are claiming it's limited (I could be wrong, I'm no developer) and Windows Mobile already has YEARS worth of free or paid for applications out there, which can be made to do ANYTHING.
Not anything Apple says is OK
@phoenix
I guess you don't know how to read. It's capable of up to 620 mhz.
Yes you are completely wrong with the SDK.
Please do some research or at least watch the SDK video or WWDC video.
huh... i know the tech world is excited about the iPhone... but i think it is getting out of hand... is it mandatory to have a post on the iPhone every day...? i understand you had to cover it extensively on the day of the release, but it doesn't make any sense watsoever continuing the trend... you had a zillion posts on the iphone, then million roundups of the zillion posts, then a roundup of the roundups... hope this ends soon.
srsly. they should just get back to covering projectors no one cares about, every single laptop that ever comes out... and every single cell phone in any part of the world that's released.
oh yeah, and 954 posts on the Eee
i still dont get why people even bother to post comments on apple posts, you are telling engadget that apple posts are popular, which they are, so you're just supporting the thing you don't support. I like to leave replies on comments like yours just to increase the irony
I ain't suggesting engadget shud not blog about apple altogether. all i'm sayin is there needs to be a balance. engadget is a wonderful site, I ALL tech news, including those of Apple, but engadget (like gizmodo etc.) has a disproportionate number of Apple news.. the blog is so inundated with Apple news, other important stuff seems to have slipped out like for instance a new development in the Yahoo-MSFT saga... -
http://valleywag.com/5015929/report-with-microsoft-talks-dead-yahoo-and-google-to-announce-search-deal-at-130
RAISING the price of the data plan $10 while ELIMINATING bundled text messaging?
You suck, AT&T.
And what was the question on which the answer is 42?
Its the ultimate answer to life, the universe and everything, a nod to The Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams
7 x 6 = ?
whoops that was already addressed.
ok what is an Iphone?
The fact is that Apple is making more money/phone with 3G model than with the first gen iPhone (no dock included, new plastic back cover is cheaper than old aluminum one, more production means less cost / phone).
The new iPhone has a plastic back because the GPS and 3G chips need a better signal.
If you look at the first iPhone, you'll see there's a plastic bit on the back for calls to go through.
Can you make an "Unlocking the iPhone 3G" article next?
Copy and Paste. Is it in or is it out? What about hardware? Not like 2G iPhone was slow but is this new one faster? More RAM for installing programs? I think the 2G had a 300mb limit. Has that changed in this new 3G? Is the battery the same? Or is it the same life cycle? Is the screen clearer (not like it needs to)?
Basically, is this new iPhone 3G just the same old iPhone with HSDPA/UMTS capabilities as well as built-in GPS that can't be used for turn-by-turn, and that has a flush headphone jack to allow you to use normal headphone/earphone plugs? I ask because I'm plenty happy with my 2G iPhone and really don't feel like buying the new one which in turn means I'll have to re-purchase my carrying cases, a new Dock (I don't think the new one comes with one), a new screen protector (Shield-Zone), etc. Plus I'll also be charged $10.00 more for 3G which I don't need since I'm always near wifi. Plus I'll lose text messaging in the package. Don't know.
What about current 2G iPhone owners, will we also qualify for the new monthly corporate discounts that the 3G qualifies for? Will AT&T change plans on all iPhones to take out Text Messaging and allow discounts?
Well since the original iPhone can be jailbroken and unlocked and it will likely take a long time with the new iPhone with the new firmware and radio to unlock there actually could be quite a market for the originals for awhile.
Two questions, really:
1. What about those who may have just signed up mere months ago? (March, to be exact) Does this mean my contract is extended to 2011?
2. What of the 5GB softcap on the "unlimited" 3G service like on other devices. Does it apply to the updated iPhone as well?
I'd be happy to buy a used first-gen iPhone. I live in an area with no 3G anyway, and would prefer the older model with the $20 monthly plan instead of $30 for functionality I can't use
More for 3G and no text! WTF????
I'm very sad that i can't go out and get the new iphone, and use my current plan. yes, i wouldn't have 3g, but i live where that doesn't really matter. I would like GPS, and its worth $200 to me, but not $200 and $10 for calls and god knows what for text.
/sad
anything about the "plan"? $30+$39/mo??
I signed a 2 year contract with AT&T in December... will I still be eligible for the $199 iPhone, or are they going to try and charge me more money?
Also, If I wanted to purchase an older, used iPhone, would I still have to pay the higher monthly fees, or would I be able to continue to use the old price matrix?
Old iphone is discontinued and cannot be purchased new. Only 3g phones have to pay the increased data fee. So if you can find a used iphone2.5g then you can get the old plan. It's possible that you may be able to get the old plan, but not have access to the 3g network.
Anyone can get the new iphone at the new prices. If you are currently under contract --- you will be asked to extend your contract for 24 months.
My question is: Will the iPod Touch get a free software update if purchased after July 11th? I'd hold off buying one until then if it will save me $10. Also, do we expect a price reduction to the iPod Touch with the lower iPhone prices, or not?
Tim Harding @ Jun 12th 2008 2:50PM
My question is: Will the iPod Touch get a free software update if purchased after July 11th? I'd hold off buying one until then if it will save me $10. Also, do we expect a price reduction to the iPod Touch with the lower iPhone prices, or not?
+Typically , apple does implement their current updates on the devices shipped after the release. If you buy an iPod T on the 12th , most likely it will have the 2.0 software for free.
+They did the same with the other update that cost 20 dollars.
+ With apple's almost predictable moves, the iPod touch will go down in price, I'm not sure, but around Sep, Oct. just In time for christmas.
If you currently have an iphone, is there any way to backup your current iphone and sync it up with the new iphone 3G (contacts, emails, etc)?
mobleme
MobileMe is an option but it is and would be a good choice to sync ALL your contacts, etc to ur computer when ever you add a new one. The same way you should if you loose ur iPod.
You should always have a back up on your computer of all ur music and contacts.
Question: Will the GPS provide location services if you are out of range of a cell site or wifi? I ask because I'd really like to have a topo map application and replace my old garmin gps unit. I've not seen this addressed anywhere, yet.
As has been noted multiple times, the A-GPS in the new iPhone involves an actual GPS chip, so yes, it has real GPS. It's merely supplemented with cell-tower positioning if needed.
What capabilities will the new 3G iPhone have in regards to Email accounts.
I am currently using a windows mobile device and I can access my exchange Email (including contacts, calendar, etc) as well as multiple other POP3 or IMAP email accounts thru mobile outlook. We currently have it configured for the exchange server account and 3 Gmail IMAP accounts using mobile outlook.
How does the iPhone compare in capability for a small business user?
Besides the Email in exchange I am very interested in the calendar and the contacts synchronizing capability.
AT&T and Apple are requiring all 3G iphones to have an AT&T contract. If you buy one you will be forced to sign a contract, or re-up your current contract. You can still buy your phone and activate it at home, but not without a contract.
I also wouldn't assume that Apple isn't getting a cut of the revenues from the iPhone. Even your rinky-dink no-name phone reseller on every street corner gets an activation bounty and contract residuals -- so I'm sure Apple is retaining some economics on the iPhone; and they are probably getting much better economics on iPhones sold at Apple stores versus AT&T stores.
Here's one: will you be able to use GPS by itself, i.e. no A-GPS?
In other words, will GPS still work if you switch off 3G and EDGE (if you can) or even with Plane Mode turned on? This is to avoid downloading satellite location information in order to save bandwidth, if we are not using unlimited data plans.
i heard that 3g phones don't have that buzzing interference with powered speakers, but i can't find anyone who definitively says, could this be true??
My HTC is 3G and it interferes with all kinds of stuff. But it's possible that my EDGE connection is active when I hear the interference.
Here's a question I haven't really seen addressed:
Now that they've switched away from the iPhone specific calling plans, does that mean we'll be able to use Corporate/Student discounts?
I have a question, if I just signed up with AT&T 3 months ago with a standard contract, now I want to get an iPhone 3G, will I have to pay more than $199 for the phone because it's subsidized? For example, if I were to upgrade to a Blackberry now, I can't get the advertised $99 price (because I am an existing subscriber), they want me to pay $374! So, $199?? For real??
If I am an early adopter of the iphone. Like if I was to buy one tomorrow would they let me trade in my original for the 3G when it comes out?
Do we know if the new iphone firmware will allow the user to subscribe to, and more importantly update podcasts directly on phone, ie without requiring a sync with itunes. My ipod touch mainly gets plugged back into my laptop just to update some podcasts.
Also, will the ipod touch 2 firmware, that costs $9.99 include the previous apps if the user has not already bought it? if not, then can the user instal the new firmware without the apps?
Dave
How about the iPod Touch? Will its price goes down b/c the iPhone price has gone down? I know that AT&T is subsidizing the iPhone cost, but c'mon! The Touch has no phone, no 3G, and no camera! It should/needs to be cheaper b/c the current price is ridiculous. I really want a Touch but the price is just ridiculous.
Thanks for the post, I haven't had any interest in an iPhone of any kind, but I was a bit confused on the difference between the original and the 3G. I read Engadget regularly but a lot of the abbreviations you guys use (and never define anywhere, shaaame) go way over my head sometimes :D
To use the built-in ActiveSync, will you have to pay the extra $15/mo for the business plan? Is AT&T screwing you just because they can? If they're not adding any value, I'm sticking with Sprint/WinMo.
So....I have to pay
40bucks plan, 30bucks internet, 20bucks text?
90bucks total a month for the cheapest plan?
450min, night and weekends starting at 9 and only 5000.
I'll stick to my 450min night and weekends starting at 7 for 40bucks and its unlimited. Also Vision only cost 15bucks. Unlimited texts are also 10bucks.
ya gotta pay to play.
wow, folks are given comprehensive coverage of something the average media can only hope to get right and you still beeotch and whine. Kudos to Ryan on the response.
So, if I buy a new iPhone 3G and want to give/sell my old iPhone to my girlfriend/little brother/some dude in Russia, aside from doing the recommended data erasing, what happens with the SIM card? Will they take the SIM from my old iPhone and put it in the new one? If I gift/sell it, do I leave the old SIM in it, or should I expect whoever gets it will have their own to put in it?
Does this mean, when user X upgrades to iPhone 3G, bites the bullet for another 2 year extension, cell service is transfered from original iPhone to iPhone 3G.....iPhone original is useless? It is "activated" but now without an active AT&T account. Does it now simply become a $600 iPod touch?
ENEMINI @ Jun 12th 2008 3:05PM
Does this mean, when user X upgrades to iPhone 3G, bites the bullet for another 2 year extension, cell service is transfered from original iPhone to iPhone 3G.....iPhone original is useless? It is "activated" but now without an active AT&T account. Does it now simply become a $600 iPod touch?
When use "X" "bites the bullet" for another 2 years, his service WILL be transfered to his/her new device. The same you would if you had a crappy phone from 1999 , you would get a new Sim Card and they'll set the IME number from the phone and simcard to your account.
The phone is useless if you don't put it to use. I'd say keep it, you can sell it but just incase you happen to drop it and the screen smashes into 5k peices, you'd have a unsmashed one while you send in ur 3G into repairs. Shit happens.