Surprise! NVIDIA has
officially unleashed its new GeForce GTX 280 and GTX 260 graphics cards. The GTX 280, NVIDIA's flagship model, is reportedly 50% faster than last year's 8800 GX2 when in its overclocked AMP! Edition, and it is loaded with around twice as many transistors as the 9800. The new single-chip processor packs some serious number crunching, such as a 142 GB/s memory bandwidth with a 512-bit memory interface. Other final specs look to include 1GB GDDR3 memory, two Dual Link DVI connectors, and, of course, an overclocked chipset. In short, it's the fastest graphics card you can get. Don't go nuts just yet, though -- the GTX280 with 1GB of RAM will run you a cool $649. The lower-end GTX 260 with 896MB is a more palatable $399. GTX280 availability starts tomorrow, and GTX 260s will hit the streets on June 26. And to finally put this joke to rest: Yes, they will run Crysis.
[Via
CNET]
posted Jun 16th 2008 9:43AM
I wonder what you can cook with those 3 together like that..
that's what she said
i dunno about cooking, but it will certainly help cut down on your heating bill.
According to reviews, its a big dissapointment:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-gtx-280,1953.html
ITS THE FASTEST YOU CAN GET !
Till next month anyway.
According to this, the GTX 280 does pretty impressive across a range of tests - http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/06/14/complete-gtx280-scores-here
Yeah, not too bad but priced a little high according this review:
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?type=expert&aid=577&pid=2
Also, they take a look at the Folding@Home client and transcoding performance here:
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=578
Its a scam. NO WHERE close to the hype. Like 20% faster than the GX2 at moderate resolutions.
It performs really well at insane resolutions. 3x faster than the GX2.
Holy Marmot! That's a big chunk of graphics!
Question: Does anyone really need that amount of graphics power for just games? 3 cards or 4? I can play games just fine with one 8500GT...and when will they redesign motherboards to better fix these slot wasters?
@OneLove
Just wait. In another year, an SLi setup may be required. Maybe to run Windows 7.
It doesn't cook anything, its a self cooking grilled-cheese sandwich.
Simply slide a Kraft single in between the drives and boot up, presto!
BEHOLD, THE BEAST MASTER of FANs!
And yes it will easily tame the heat from those 3.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2571/fan-88/FrozenCPU_172x150mm_Fan_265_CFM.html?tl=g36c15s73
http://www.frozencpu.com/images/movies/fan-88.wmv
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Currently using it for 2 8800GTXs and 1 PhysX.
BK7, not sure about cooking, but I guess you could use them as a toaster maybe?
But can it play DOOM?
fugly
way too big!
again, that's what she said
Who cares its big?
Yeah, I hate unattractive graphics cards.
I just don't like the concept of having my case dominated by something like that, which'll amount to average performance of the next single-slot solution a month after release. I'd take space over 2+fps improvements anyday.
A computer case is your friend (one without those unsightly side windows and flashing blue lights), and sometimes, bigger is better
GTX280 alone is beating ATI 3870 X2.
So do not drool over three-card SLI setup - you need it only to run Crysis at 1080p.
Otherwise single card would be sufficient. And it is also quite power savvy. Again, compared to 3870 X2: last time I was looking at was something like 180W vs 240W.
Totally agree... a lot of morons are defending these space-wasters and that's why the manufacturers continue to think it's okay to take up more slots.
I mean, just look at the article image, where the f*** is he going to put his fancy soundcard... he's stuck with onboard crap.
Unless if developers get off their lazy butts and optimize their code to fully utilize dual GPU/CPU hardware (which they don't appear to be), the performance gain is going to continue to be too minimal to entertain the expenses.
I agree. When are manufacturers going to stop making their cards bigger and more power hungry, and start downsizing? Remember our whole obsession with miniaturization? Where'd that go!? I'm not buying a new video card until they start cutting back how much power they use, and decrease their size. Have fun paying your electric bill.
crysis still owns this card at higher resolutions
But does it own three of them? ;)
And how in the hell would you know that?
Have you played Crysis on one already?
Or are you just being in general an ass?
Read the reviews, 1920x1200 with 'Very High' settings is still unconquered by any single slot solution.
Maybe two can handle it though, there just aren't very many SLi reviews. All I know is that at launch two gtx 280's costs £960 in the UK from my nearest retailer, yoyotech (just phoned them up). That's nearly $2000.
:o
^^ its in the reviews dipshit
Poor cesium... I don't know why you've been marked low. You're 100% correct.
wait where is radeon HD 4000? isn't radeon supposed to be released ahead of geforce?
no. the 4800s come out at the end of june
Yes, this guy is an idiot. Nvidia pushed their release date back because they ran into a major error in Beta testing. They are working out the kinks now, but that means the ATI HD 4000 will be out on schedule in late June and the Nvidia 280 will be out in mid July.
@Laughing Man, huh? you are confusing me even more. This article (as well as CNET) states that GTX280 will be available tomorrow (June 17th). Radeon is scheduled to be released by the end of June and GTX280 was originally expected to be released in July (i know that). My initial concern was, what made them decided to push its release date a month ahead, which is now ahead of radeon.
Alone it runs Crysis @ 1920 x 1200 with 4 x AA and High graphics. Just image what Tri-Sli can do.
Whoa, slow down. I just read the article where does it say its 50% faster than a 9800GX2! All I can find is this passage: "Delivers 50% more gaming performance over the Company’s previous NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra GPU". Tut tut tut Engadget =)
Doesn't really matter, the 9 series and the 8 series use the same GPU.
yes, but the 9800GX2 uses two of them. 1gpu != 1gpu+1gpu
That's what I thought as well. Just read a whole bunch of reviews and the GTX 280 and 9800 GX2 are neck and neck. The most noticeable difference is that the 9800 GX2 costs significantly less.
Well now that's just absurd.
Srsly is Dx10.1 that complicated?
It relies on Windows, so yes.
@barry99705
Install your wireless card in Windows.
Now install it in Linux.
Now you tell me which is complicated.
@ barry
Imagine the pain with a Broadcom Wireless card....Its bad.
@pathogen
Direct X 10.1 does not offer anything related into gaming... it's more for CAD and stuff like that... And anything that Direct X10.1 (which is like 3-4 features) can be done with the video card alone, even a Geforce 8800 can do it.
@Pochi
well if the disto comes with the driver then i would have to do nothing at all.
but with windows no mater what WLAN card you use you have to install drivers
@vosester
So basically what you are saying is, "if I don't have to install it, it's really easy!"
No shit...!
@vosester:
My Netgear card was automatically detected and installed when vista was. You fail, sir.
@vosester: Totally untrue. Installing things in Vista is actually incredibly easy...almost as easy as a Mac. All you do is plug the card in, wait for the system to do a hardware scan (seconds) and it'll locate a driver for you. When did Linux do that? And if you're relying on the distro to contain all your drivers, what kinda bloated release are you using? Ubuntu?? :P
Vista hahahah
You use windows DRM, err Vista and you calling Ubuntu bloated
for god's sake.
All good wireless card in Ubuntu will works because most of the drivers
are in the kernel and modules are only a few hundred Kilobyte's compared
to the 10MB+ windows drives (mostly installers take up the space)
I not say in it has been easy with linux and WLAN cards.
But Linux has been brilliant in this department consider most
manufacturers won't release there specification.
I wont believe that this can run Crysis on Ultra High DX10 settings until i see it with my own eyes...
...Crysis, perhaps. But do they play Doom?
OMFG i knew someone was gonna say that. die kthx
Don't listen to him, you're hilarious.
You're only saying that because we have the same name!
We should make some sort of "virus" which every commenter must download and automatically crashes the computer every time the word "Doom" or "Crysis" or "Blend" etc are entered
Mobius just got three viruses!
i will find a workaround for your context sensitive virus downloading anti think-your-funny-but-your-not web-app....
At first glance I wondered "Why is engadget talking about an engine?". Then I realised it was 3 beefy graphics cards in one. Can't blame me though, the styling is car-esque with the smooth black, curves and vents. Whether this is practical or not is another story altogether.
jesus fricken waste of money.
And people wonder why PC games aren't flourishing like the consoles.
NEWFLASH: the cost of getting into PC gaming is prohibitive to the platforms growth. Developers need to throttle it back.
I believe software makers are also partly to blame for poor PC gaming performance on anything other than decently powered PCs in the most demanding games, due to the way game developer are pushing hardware to the limit, and OS's aren't helping by running loads of processes in the background (Vista) and DX10 not really living up to promises so far
lol people....this is a high end graphics card that packs much more power than a console...of course its gonna cost this much.
you can get a 8600gts for about 100$ and its more than enough.
ummm, well if AMD/ATI or nVidia (plus mobo/gfx manufacturers) started subsidizing their HW like Microsoft or Sony, I'm sure computer gaming platforms would take off again.
Unfortunately, they cant guarantee their HW would be used for gaming... so no free bones
Dude, just because a hardware is released doesn't mean a pc gamer is forced to buy the hardware. With so much mods, tons of PC players still plays Battlefield 2 & HL2 and those thing still runs on 8 (and lower) series cards with Pentium base cpu.
Does console player buy every add on crap that's released for their consoles?
Frank,
What the hell are you on about?
Have you even taken a look at the recent video card prices aside from the most bleeding, cutting-edge, units to not even hit the store shelves yet?
8800 GT's and 8800 GTS G92 cards can be had for the $129-179 range.
Each one of those respective video cards would run circles around either of the consoles, be it the X360 or the PS3.
In every single cross platform game released in the last 1+ year, an 8800 GTS for $175 (depending on where you look) will offer you often a vastly superior performance:
2-3 times the resolution
2-3 times the AA
2-3 times the AF
For HALF the price of either console.
I can build an entire gaming system that would mop the floor with the PS3/X360 for about $400 (not counting monitor there), but of course it would also allow you to work on any number of levels -- graphics design, office apps, web design, anything multimedia related, anything work-related, on top of playing games for slightly more.
This notion that PC's are overpriced hasn't been valid for some time now.
Get with the times.
crysis? WTF is crysis!! will it run pong?
man, better not have any drives to hook up to your motherboard or anything.
nothing can run Crysis, it's a known fact. like gravity
Actually, I was under the assumption that gravity can run Crysis.
I wonder how gravity would run Crysis in space...
Gravity isn't a fact, it's a law. The government could easily abolish it if it wanted to.
seems to me. video cards might be getting cheaper.
remember what rahul sood, Voodoopc spokesperson person, said about there being advancements unprecedented in the graphic industry?
this could be the start.
eh... video cards getting cheaper? i doubt it. In fact, when I got my 7950 GX2s, each one was like $550, and the GTX 280 is set at $650, so looks like prices are going up. However, performance-wise, these blow all previous GeForce (and Radeons too, I'm assuming) out of the water. I want to see the numbers on Tri-SLI with these babies though... mmmm =D
and btw, rahul sood is more than just the Voodoo PC spokesperson. He made the company with his bare hands. :) and now he's the "CTO for HP Global Gaming Business" :) i just had to throw that in, from his blog... haha now time for me to play with my new ipod touch!
Anyone know why they skipped some numbers?
I was thinking that the next card would be like, 10180
and they would just drop the 1 and 0, but why did they skip to 280?
bc eventually they would get to ridiculous numbers i.e...
Nvidia Uber-Mega-Ultra GTX 25^6
Or, super-duper-nvidia-stupidly-long-named-graphics-card-999-999-99999-9999x20-100gb's-of-lolDDR
Has anyone else noticed the number of PCI-E power ports for that tri-sli setup? Lawl.
YES!
I'm building a computer this month. Glad I didn't spring for those 9800GTXs too soon!
And... holy cow... $399 for 896 MB? As the initial retail price?
So much for depressing Mondays at work. 10 AM and things are already looking up.
1- Only one of those will be getting any fæn.
2- How long until the start using that supposed power control system nvidia was working on? 'Cause idle temperatures of 60-70ºC are absurd.
3- What was the point of the 9xxx series? It's been superseded in 6 months and never got any attention over the latest 8xxx series.
4- Is this new "higher is better" naming scheme to last? Or will they start issuing GTS 245, GTL 290 and GTX³ 287?
But will it run doom?
Yes... at one billion fps.
Assuming you aren't limited by your cpu.
"50% faster than last year's 9800 GX2"
I am holding out for the GTX-SR Type R card, so I can buy six of them(6x700=4200bucks) and get that one extra FPS out of my sub $1000 PC system.
I am so smrt and my penis is so huge.
E-peen you mean?
How they access the ports on the motherboard if those cards covered almost 2/3 of the entire motherboard (and the ports)?
They dont. I guess you just have to live with that.
No harddrive. Lovely.
Sorry, but when they decide to make a single card that can run Crysis or any other high end game at 1920 X 1200,4XX anti aliasing, with no performance hit that also does not require a nuclear reactor to power it and does not cost more than the computer itself then and only then will I be impressed.
I wonder how much power these things consume. Somewhere north of obscene probably. I wish graphics card makers like NVidia would take a page out of the books of CPU makers and start focussing on power efficient devices with low power idle states.
I wish the EU or someone would force electronics firms to have to display mandatory power consumption information on their packaging, just like happens already for domestic appliances. It might shake things up a bit.
Fifty percent faster than 9800 GX2? The initial reviews over at Anandtech show the GTX 280 only beating the 9800 GX2 in only two game tests out of seven (in stock form). The "AMP!" edition had better be overclocked to hell if it wants to meet that mark. As it is, you might as well spend less money for the 9800 GX2. I assume the 9800 GX2 will drop in price so I can pick one up soon.
And wow, they couldn't run the GTX 280 in SLI on a 1000 watt PSU, instead had to get a 1200. Uhhh...
Actually, slight correction. I'll just quote them for the lazy:
"While the SLI system would boot and get into Windows, we couldn't actually complete any benchmarks. All of the power supplies on the GTX 280 SLI certified list are at least 1200W units. We didn't have any on hand so we had to rig up a second system with a separate power supply and used the second PSU to power the extra GTX 280 card. A 3-way SLI setup using GTX 280s may end up requiring a power supply that can draw more power than most household circuits can provide."
I have seen the reviews, these things are barley faster than the 9800 GX2, Wait for what ATI has to offer in a few days...
I don't really care if this card can run Crysis, it's a really bad game.
Only difference is that actual of nVidia cards is much more power efficient.
I hope that 4870 X2 would improve over unpalatable 240W of 3870 X2. Because 4870 X2 is what what I plan to buy this fall.
Otherwise, I would upgrade my gf7800 to gtx260 or whatever my power supply can juice up. But I kind of willing to stay under 420W for my PC. Otherwise I would lose count on my electricity bills.
And people complain about the price of the PS3. Actually, I complain about it. The PS3 is too expensive. Now, $650 for a gaming video card alone? That's just ludicrous. Yeah, I'm sure it (along with a comparable PC to put it in) is way more powerful, but I'd rather play games from my couch, and for hugely less money... and without having to wear an aircraft-grade noise canceling headset to cover up the system noise.
Have you stopped to think for a moment that, weren't it for this kind of PC products consoles would be:
- Much more expensive, because they'd have to pay for the whole graphics chip R&D?
- Way less flashy and pretty, because research would have stepped up once with each generation (5-6 years) instead of once every year?
- You don't need to buy that, the same way you don't have to buy a Reventón to enjoy a good Lamborghini?
The 'I'd rather play games on my couch' statement is already really stale. That's fine. But it's just a matter of where you put your pc or your console.
I for one use my ps3 on my computer monitor, at my desk. The next person could easily play their PC games on the TV.
@ Mobius_1 : I'm sure there is a LEGITIMATE concern as to whether the fan can blend my fingers, and if it can play doom ;)
Now, For serious.
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUxOCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
Another awesome review. All signs do not point to failure, but rather, a worthy replacement (FINALLY
Where is the motherboard?! C'mon, where am I supposed to store all the cabling within my PC? Next thing we're seeing compatible motherboards listing, but by stating "It fits!"
Make smaller cards, then start to improve on specs.
I think with technology it's always power first then size. Look at how big the first [insert technology here]* had to be for what it did. Now we can have the same power in a much smaller size.
*e.g. computer, rocket, car engine etc.
that graphics card has as much ram as my pc.