You're a very brave man (or woman) to announce that on a MS-specific post. You can use my old Dell lappie (when I moved up to the Macbook) as a shield if you'd like. :-)
Exactly, Sticking with XP. Meaning you have not even used Vista for over a day. If you actually used Vista like I do at work (CSU IT ADMIN) and home you would LOVE it. Ive never had one crash, one virus, or one incompatibility. Ive never installed one driver (always found by windows update or built in to OS) And hitting ctrl+esc and then typing whatever i want and then hitting enter to open all of my programs makes XP A JOKE. (ctrl+esc PHOT enter... Photoshop is now open. ctrl+esc Calc enter...Calculator is now open. ctrl+esc Jon rafting... My email from Jon about rafting is now open in outlook) Vista is one of Microsoft best successes in my book, and I started out on DOS just like the rest of you. And im not some schmuck who has not used leopard or linux. I have a Ubuntu server and my handy hackintosh (thanks lifehacker) and i do love them dearly but Vista is the best. Aaron - 23 - Sacramento
"Ive never had one crash, one virus, or one incompatibility. Ive never installed one driver (always found by windows update or built in to OS) And hitting ctrl+esc and then typing whatever i want and then hitting enter to open all of my programs makes XP A JOKE."
Ditto here, well... except for the fact that I use Linux, and hit alt+F2, but otherwise, same experience, no crashes, no viruses, no incompatibility, full hardware detection and functionality our of the box, and a handy quick keystroke to open up any program of choice. Yup, XP IS A JOKE. =D
What preloaded shit??? IE? If you don't like IE, use it just long enough to download FireFox. The sidebar? You can disable the sidebar....by right-clicking on the icon and disabling it. Umm....the games? They're pretty unobtrusive, and are standard fare for all OS's. Anything else preloaded has nothing to do with Vista....it has everything to do with the vendor that sold you (or your parents) the computer.
I'm sorry to say this (not really), but you sound like a computer-moron with that comment.
I've used XP since its release, then switched to Vista at its release. So far Vista is far superior, but not perfect. Here are the only problems I've encountered:
XP and Vista machines do NOT like each other on local networks....getting them to talk is a major pain in the ass.
Many peripheral companies simply won't spend the time/effort/money to write Vista drivers for their [slightly] older stuff, meaning many things like printers and even EAX on SoundBlaster sound cards just won't work. This isn't Microsoft's fault though.....I fully blame the other companies that just want to force people to buy new versions of the same crap.
Sometimes the popups requiring authorization to do anything to the file system or settings can be annoying. However, those popups are a large part of the reason I have yet to encounter any malware on 2 machines in over a year....and I don't use antivirus software because I feel like it hijacks the computer. Also, those popups can be disabled.
By the way, Apple's OS's, while they used to be better, more stable, and more secure than Windows, are not anymore.
As for Vista making the miss list, if you read the paragraph carefully, it is obvious that it's not there due to its own merits, but because of the way Microsoft handled its release (delays and incorrect labeling of PCs as Vista ready). Because of those and the problems I listed above, many people have pre-formed opinions that will never go away no matter what.
I moved to Leopard too. So much easier than dealing with the Vista mess. I installed Vista and downgraded after two weeks of non-stop driver and software issues. I saw such a massive degradation in frame rates in games that it was almost unbearable to see a %30 decrease in performance.
Your just mad because your 386 won't run Vista. People that complain about Vista being laggy should think of all the features it has. It needs more RAM because it has A LOT more to do. Same for CPUs. Think back to when XP was released. it had half the drivers that Vista has and it was laggy when it first came out. But the bugs were worked out of it. Vista runs fine for me and all my friends.
I used to use XP but with the arrival of new PCs vista was a must. And i have to say it is far better than XP for me. It isnt laggy or slow and people who claim it is are probably using components that are not designed for vista or whatever.
I also have recently got and iMac, and wow, just wow. Its as good as any PC i have ever used and will run games as well as any decent PC.
Speaking as someone who no longer owns a PC, I actually like Vista, a lot. I used it a lot in the release candidate stage. I've always been one to run with an unfinished OS as my main rig, going back to Win2K days, Win2K was exceptional, the beta was more solid than 98. After playing with a hacked Mac OS X on my machine for awhile though, I found Vista more 'window dressing over xp' whereas the Mac OS was something completely different (to windows) under the hood, with Unix goodness to learn and explore.
Each to their own, and I'll be watching with interest the direction they take with Windows 7, I like the sound of some of the ideas there.
(In the end I chose XP for my bootcamp partition, Vista isn't as lean for games, but if i used it for other things I'd go Vista)
I use Vista SP1 every day, 8 to 10 hours a day, and I've been using Vista for over a year, and I can say with confidence that my experience with Vista at work is the reason why my last home PC had XP on it.
Vista does nothing new, not one single thing better than XP, except need a better video, more memory and a faster processor than the corresponding XP box.
Does Vista suck? Honestly, in a vacuum, no, it's OK. However when considering the required investment required to have a satisfying user experience as compared to XP, yes, it does suck: money from your wallet.
I can see taking a performance hit if the features they talked about originally actually materialized, such as a SQL like filesystem, etc, but at the end of the day all they did was create a system that costs more to do the same thing as my old system. Aero is OK looking, but requiring a discrete video card for a business class machine to run it is stupid. at the risk of getting flamed, how come Apple is able to do what they do with Aqua just fine with the integrated intel graphics chip (MacBook), but Vista wants 128 MB video card for Aero? I don't get it.
I'll keep buying systems with XP as long as I can, but I'm not going to pay an extra $100 for the privilege of having Vista (which I'll never use) AND XP.
So... Since I need MS Office for my job, I guess my next system will be a Mac.
I've had every MS operating system since DOS 3 except Me.
So long, Microsoft, it was fun while it lasted.
Signed,
A disillusioned formerly loyal customer that you've driven to the competition.
I had to upgrade to Vista when I changed out my main hardware on the old 2000-era box (had a 1.3 GHz AMD and 512 mb of RAM, very FF-Class at the time), apparently former versions of DirectX don't play nice with DX10 hardware; because XP would "fidget" on my desktop (performance was slow one minute and blistering fast the next). Performance on games was always slow. But when I upgraded to Vista, the speed of my games increased dramatically. Under XP, Simcity 4 would run at maybe 2 frames per second (in a brand-new box, guys), but under Vista, all of the graphics and data are handled with speed and ease. So I guess I need Vista for all of the DX10 software and backward-compatibility.
The thing I hate about Vista though is the hardware support. I realize that hardware companies are partially to blame, but when you tweak an OS to the extent of requiring new drivers (anyone see those VISTA COMPATIBLE!!! tags around the download link for new drivers?), something is out-of-line. My HP PSC 1315 driver CD wouldn't even start up the installer under Vista! I had to download HP's Universal Driver, which works flawlessly now. I was really bummed about losing my Sound Blaster Live! sound card too, but this on-board sound actually sounds pretty decent.
So while my upgrade to Vista wasn't completely smooth, it was alright.
I've actually tried using vista and xp to compare the two experiences. On my crappy laptop with a 1.6 dual-core processor, 2 gigs of ram, and a sh*tty geforce 6150 go, I would actually go with vista.
Why would I go with the more resource intensive system, you ask?
Because after you disable the bloatware, remove unnecessary services, and optimize your computer, vista is probably the best thing microsoft has ever given us (security features, sexy ui [yes i know its a bit like OSX], ease of use, hardly any bsods, WAYYY shorter reformatting/reinstall time than XP, better compatibility to name a few things). Thus, the whole thing about vista being "too gfx intensive, etc etc" is bs. If you actually try the two, you'd go with vista. def not a miss in my book.
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Agreed. Vista was a BIG miss for Microsoft. I'm staying with XP until next month when I get an iMac, Leopard FTW!
You're a very brave man (or woman) to announce that on a MS-specific post. You can use my old Dell lappie (when I moved up to the Macbook) as a shield if you'd like. :-)
Have you ever used vista?
loser
Beat you there. Got my OS X already.
To add to insult, I considered using vista, but then decided to boot camp XP instead.
Yes, I have used Vista because my mom's computer uses Vista. Vista is so frustrating and annoying to use and all the pre-loaded shit is annoying!
That "preloaded shit" is the computer manufacturer's fault, not Microsoft's. At the very least, try to get the source of your criticisms right.
Exactly, Sticking with XP. Meaning you have not even used Vista for over a day. If you actually used Vista like I do at work (CSU IT ADMIN) and home you would LOVE it. Ive never had one crash, one virus, or one incompatibility. Ive never installed one driver (always found by windows update or built in to OS) And hitting ctrl+esc and then typing whatever i want and then hitting enter to open all of my programs makes XP A JOKE. (ctrl+esc PHOT enter... Photoshop is now open. ctrl+esc Calc enter...Calculator is now open. ctrl+esc Jon rafting... My email from Jon about rafting is now open in outlook) Vista is one of Microsoft best successes in my book, and I started out on DOS just like the rest of you. And im not some schmuck who has not used leopard or linux. I have a Ubuntu server and my handy hackintosh (thanks lifehacker) and i do love them dearly but Vista is the best. Aaron - 23 - Sacramento
"Ive never had one crash, one virus, or one incompatibility. Ive never installed one driver (always found by windows update or built in to OS) And hitting ctrl+esc and then typing whatever i want and then hitting enter to open all of my programs makes XP A JOKE."
Ditto here, well... except for the fact that I use Linux, and hit alt+F2, but otherwise, same experience, no crashes, no viruses, no incompatibility, full hardware detection and functionality our of the box, and a handy quick keystroke to open up any program of choice. Yup, XP IS A JOKE. =D
What preloaded shit??? IE? If you don't like IE, use it just long enough to download FireFox. The sidebar? You can disable the sidebar....by right-clicking on the icon and disabling it. Umm....the games? They're pretty unobtrusive, and are standard fare for all OS's. Anything else preloaded has nothing to do with Vista....it has everything to do with the vendor that sold you (or your parents) the computer.
I'm sorry to say this (not really), but you sound like a computer-moron with that comment.
I've used XP since its release, then switched to Vista at its release. So far Vista is far superior, but not perfect. Here are the only problems I've encountered:
XP and Vista machines do NOT like each other on local networks....getting them to talk is a major pain in the ass.
Many peripheral companies simply won't spend the time/effort/money to write Vista drivers for their [slightly] older stuff, meaning many things like printers and even EAX on SoundBlaster sound cards just won't work. This isn't Microsoft's fault though.....I fully blame the other companies that just want to force people to buy new versions of the same crap.
Sometimes the popups requiring authorization to do anything to the file system or settings can be annoying. However, those popups are a large part of the reason I have yet to encounter any malware on 2 machines in over a year....and I don't use antivirus software because I feel like it hijacks the computer. Also, those popups can be disabled.
By the way, Apple's OS's, while they used to be better, more stable, and more secure than Windows, are not anymore.
As for Vista making the miss list, if you read the paragraph carefully, it is obvious that it's not there due to its own merits, but because of the way Microsoft handled its release (delays and incorrect labeling of PCs as Vista ready). Because of those and the problems I listed above, many people have pre-formed opinions that will never go away no matter what.
Vista is not a miss because it revealed people's true feelings about XP and that convenience trumps better security.
I moved to Leopard too. So much easier than dealing with the Vista mess. I installed Vista and downgraded after two weeks of non-stop driver and software issues. I saw such a massive degradation in frame rates in games that it was almost unbearable to see a %30 decrease in performance.
Your just mad because your 386 won't run Vista. People that complain about Vista being laggy should think of all the features it has. It needs more RAM because it has A LOT more to do. Same for CPUs. Think back to when XP was released. it had half the drivers that Vista has and it was laggy when it first came out. But the bugs were worked out of it. Vista runs fine for me and all my friends.
I used to use XP but with the arrival of new PCs vista was a must. And i have to say it is far better than XP for me. It isnt laggy or slow and people who claim it is are probably using components that are not designed for vista or whatever.
I also have recently got and iMac, and wow, just wow. Its as good as any PC i have ever used and will run games as well as any decent PC.
Speaking as someone who no longer owns a PC, I actually like Vista, a lot. I used it a lot in the release candidate stage. I've always been one to run with an unfinished OS as my main rig, going back to Win2K days, Win2K was exceptional, the beta was more solid than 98. After playing with a hacked Mac OS X on my machine for awhile though, I found Vista more 'window dressing over xp' whereas the Mac OS was something completely different (to windows) under the hood, with Unix goodness to learn and explore.
Each to their own, and I'll be watching with interest the direction they take with Windows 7, I like the sound of some of the ideas there.
(In the end I chose XP for my bootcamp partition, Vista isn't as lean for games, but if i used it for other things I'd go Vista)
I use Vista SP1 every day, 8 to 10 hours a day, and I've been using Vista for over a year, and I can say with confidence that my experience with Vista at work is the reason why my last home PC had XP on it.
Vista does nothing new, not one single thing better than XP, except need a better video, more memory and a faster processor than the corresponding XP box.
Does Vista suck? Honestly, in a vacuum, no, it's OK. However when considering the required investment required to have a satisfying user experience as compared to XP, yes, it does suck: money from your wallet.
I can see taking a performance hit if the features they talked about originally actually materialized, such as a SQL like filesystem, etc, but at the end of the day all they did was create a system that costs more to do the same thing as my old system. Aero is OK looking, but requiring a discrete video card for a business class machine to run it is stupid. at the risk of getting flamed, how come Apple is able to do what they do with Aqua just fine with the integrated intel graphics chip (MacBook), but Vista wants 128 MB video card for Aero? I don't get it.
I'll keep buying systems with XP as long as I can, but I'm not going to pay an extra $100 for the privilege of having Vista (which I'll never use) AND XP.
So... Since I need MS Office for my job, I guess my next system will be a Mac.
I've had every MS operating system since DOS 3 except Me.
So long, Microsoft, it was fun while it lasted.
Signed,
A disillusioned formerly loyal customer that you've driven to the competition.
Enjoy your mobile parts in a desktop..
I had to upgrade to Vista when I changed out my main hardware on the old 2000-era box (had a 1.3 GHz AMD and 512 mb of RAM, very FF-Class at the time), apparently former versions of DirectX don't play nice with DX10 hardware; because XP would "fidget" on my desktop (performance was slow one minute and blistering fast the next). Performance on games was always slow. But when I upgraded to Vista, the speed of my games increased dramatically. Under XP, Simcity 4 would run at maybe 2 frames per second (in a brand-new box, guys), but under Vista, all of the graphics and data are handled with speed and ease. So I guess I need Vista for all of the DX10 software and backward-compatibility.
The thing I hate about Vista though is the hardware support. I realize that hardware companies are partially to blame, but when you tweak an OS to the extent of requiring new drivers (anyone see those VISTA COMPATIBLE!!! tags around the download link for new drivers?), something is out-of-line. My HP PSC 1315 driver CD wouldn't even start up the installer under Vista! I had to download HP's Universal Driver, which works flawlessly now. I was really bummed about losing my Sound Blaster Live! sound card too, but this on-board sound actually sounds pretty decent.
So while my upgrade to Vista wasn't completely smooth, it was alright.
I've actually tried using vista and xp to compare the two experiences. On my crappy laptop with a 1.6 dual-core processor, 2 gigs of ram, and a sh*tty geforce 6150 go, I would actually go with vista.
Why would I go with the more resource intensive system, you ask?
Because after you disable the bloatware, remove unnecessary services, and optimize your computer, vista is probably the best thing microsoft has ever given us (security features, sexy ui [yes i know its a bit like OSX], ease of use, hardly any bsods, WAYYY shorter reformatting/reinstall time than XP, better compatibility to name a few things). Thus, the whole thing about vista being "too gfx intensive, etc etc" is bs. If you actually try the two, you'd go with vista. def not a miss in my book.
just my two cents :)