Treo 800w spec sheets and training materials reveal details, lack of MMS
By Joshua Fruhlinger 
posted Jun 28th 2008 4:56PM
posted Jun 28th 2008 4:56PM
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well it's great that Palm is trying. Too bad I can't find a single reason to actually buy this (besides the threaded SMS app). Palm hasn't innovated in years, and now they're either catching up with others (finally has Wifi), or they're rehashing the same old same old.
Yeah, it's really pathetic that Palm is STILL trying to pawn off the same old Treo rubbish.. I mean, what did they change from my 3 year old 650? SD is now MicroSD. Added Wifi?
Small, Square screen still blows... PalmOS (and WinMo) still blows, tiny qwerty keys are still unusable, still too heavy, pressure-type "touchscreen" doesn't work with fingers and is meant for a stylus, etc etc...
I wish Palm would just hurry up and die. Who the hell keeps buying this crap?
The only reason I want one is because there's a gameboy emulator for the palm OS and it runs pokemon real nicely.
Dude this is a Windows Mobile device not a Palm OS one.
The Game Boy emulator for Palm OS won't run on this. Get a Centro instead if you want Palm OS.
That's a fairly crappy processor it's running. It's an OK handset for third tier users who can't afford better. It just won't stack up against the smartphone big three of RIM, Nokia and Apple.
333 MHz processor = SLOW FAIL
Yes, Palm is trying. Trying the patience of investors and loyal users alike. I think the company is using their Palms for stroking themselves instead of coming up with some decent handsets. They've already met their Waterloo. RIM of Waterloo, Canada and the BlackBerry Bold.
What's the point anyhow? Once the iPhone 3G hits the China mainland, it's all over for the likes of Palm, Motorola, HTC, Samsung, etc. The iPhone will be the hottest thing in China since roasted dog.
Wait... no MMS?
It seems as though Palm is going the way of the iPhone... just not in the good ways.
Well, all the more reason to buy an iPhone 3G over this thing!
all the more reason to buy a blackberry pearl!
The lack of MMS has nothing to do with Palm and everything to do with Sprint.
The price really needs to be $50 cheaper though, with the iPhone at $200.
Palm is not doing anything under their own will. All Sprint "smart"phones lack MMS. Sprint claims that since smartphones are aimed towards business users, these phones do not need MMS. However, there are several programs for Windows Mobile, such as SMMS, that let you do MMS just fine. Also, Sprint claims that there will be an update for the Mogul/6800 this summer which will enable MMS, but don't hold your breath.
Hey rectoid, MMS is supposed to be included on the iPhone 3G and there are already third party apps that are able to do it now. What's the big deal with MMS anyway. It's not a high use application. Anyway, with the SDK and iPhone software 2.0 there will be lots of apps to do the things most common smartphones will do. The iPhone will evolve in time. Who knows, maybe one day they'll even have copy/paste.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1576309&tstart=0
The timing of the release of this Palm device probably couldn't be worse - right after the cheaper 3G iPhone is released. Will the PR-push from Palm/Sprint even show up on the radar compared to the PR/Media BlitzKrieg of the 3G iPhone?
I can't believe I was actually thinking about waiting for that. I'm sorry sprint sero plan, I now have to spend double and get an iPhone because of the lack of big screen devices available :(
I actually like the look of it. It's a huge improvement over the Centro/suppository.
Ever heard of the Mogul? Or how about the upcoming Raphael? Where've you been?
the mogul sucks. The raphael is alright looking, but still a brick, and the screen isn't big enough. the 3.5" screen of the iPhone has really sucked me in because web browsing is most important for me
It an improvement, but still has the thumbboard. Maybe next year, Palm, if Android doesn't get my money first.
DO NOT WANT.
this aint 4-chan sucka
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I dont why people dont realize times do change. MMS will slowly disappear in all phones. Just like 3.5 inch disk did...
Why would MMS be going away anytime soon? You do know that MMS refers to the ability to send and recieve pictures and other larger items through SMS, right?
err...email?
Email requires you to manually check for mail; or to pay for some sort of push service.
While MMS has already got this handled.
Replacing MMS with email seems a bit strange given this. Though depending on where in the world you live and your carrier, MMS pricing can be equally peculiar, making email more cost-effective.
It's not like the two are mutually exclusive either.
All that said however, a phone coming out in 2008 without the ability for it, is just plain silly. Sure, it may not be a much-used feature, but isn't the point of these things to have lots of features?
erm...my plan doesn't include mms, I need to pay for it too..
ill be off sprint on july 11th
Just in time for the iPhone 3G.
Pretty disappointing after all this time...and this is coming from a die-hard Treo 700w fan...
Palm, I was holding out hope for you until it now comes out that the 800w's going to have a 333mhz CPU! Seriously, WTF?
And you're stripped the MMS feature out of your glorious threaded SMS app? WTF? You should have stood up to Sprint on that one.
Micro USB? WTF? This phone is not thin enough to warrant using that over Mini USB. Don't kid yourselves.
This things was supposed to come out in September 2007, but Palm had significant engineering difficulties getting it out the door.
It is not a bad looking device at all, but sitting next to an iPhone 3G, a Blackberry Pearl and a Blackberry Bold, it has it's work cut out for it.
And don't forget about the mini-usb headphone connector! That means throw away all your current headphones.
You'd be better off with and iPhone 3G or a new Windows Mobile phone.
This is a Windows Mobile phone.
Why people don't realize this????
You'd be better off with two cans and a string, if you wanted to put it bluntly.
@Kate: Why don't people realize this? Maybe because with every Palm WM phone you buy, you also subsidize the Palm OS license fee of $$MM/Yr that Palm must pay ACCESS for the right to use what was once Palm's IP. Stupidity ... Thy name is Palm.
@backbeat
That has absolutely nothing to do with someone thinking this phone ran Palm OS.
@gasman: It has everything to do with the fact that Palm always represented itself as a unique OS, versus the Symbian, PocketPC, Blackberry OS's available on the market. That is, until they sold and subsequently leased back their soul, thereby being forced to offer a WM version (700w) just to save its financial ass. Unfortunately, Palm could not even execute that gameplan with any creativity and foresight.
Many outside the pearly gates of geekdom equate Palm solely with the Palm OS.
Yawn. It's still chubby, like every other Treo. At this point there is absolutely no excuse for it to be that size.
It's basically just a 750/755 with a smaller keyboard. Big deal.
Have you ever actually held a Treo? They're not big.
DOA in one way or another
not having mms is the new trend with the best phones. i hope this also cant record video thats another new cool trend. ;)
No Tavor chip no sale!!
I am glad I jump shipped to WINDOWS MOBILE.
Palm OS sucks, If this thing where running Windows Mobile I would buy but screw palm.
Why Palm has not moved to a modern OS like Windows Mobile, there is a huge business oportunity.
Um, it is a win mob device...
it runs on Windows Mobile. see the pics carefully.
Well i want one, now that the Q9C is gone and that i cant get an Instinct with SERO. I thought about the Touch but i would prefer a keyboard. I'm a Mac guy now since 2006 and would love an iPhone but i'm not willing to pay $70+ a month for one. Also i dont want to pay $65 for a blackberry even though its sweet.
So guys there are cheap people out there like me who may need/prefer this phone. My A900 is is doing a slow death, it rings when it feels up to it.
Palm's ability to keep pace with itself is the very reason why it lost $43.3M in the most recent quarter report and has sales volume 25% BELOW that of 1 year ago.
As any athlete knows, you only improve by being trained by those better than yourself.
21 more MHz than my 4-year-old Treo 650. Look out iPhone!
Where's a GPS, Palm?
Its not standing up to Sprint, it's that Sprint's network is in capable of it. As applications like sMMS have shown, its possible to trick Picture Mail into working like MMS, but that's not even really SMS.
As for GPS, as far as I know even though it's not shown in these images, it's in there.
Looks like they took the best physical features from the Centro and 755p and threw them together. It's not at all bad looking... doesn't have the wow factor of the iphone or anything but I wouldn't be ashamed to tote it around.
I DO find it odd that after all this time they just gave the processor and camera such a tiny bump in quality, as it's been very long overdue.
Hey I got years back a "TX" still waiting for OS upgrade!!
I will discourage any one to buy Palm product, I will make my aim to do so, just because they (Palm Idiots) stop taking care of the customers that they have!!
Witch is not too many!!
“DON’T BUY IT”!!!!!!!!!!!
This Treo is so dead. Steamrolled over by the iPhone 3G on the way to world domination. So sad. Palm was the king of PDAs and now they're just also-rans. Only being used by a few loyal fans and those oblivious to the New World Order of the bitten fruit company.
It's ironic that the CEO of Palm had said that Apple couldn't possibly succeed in the handset business. Another one of those Michael Dell-isms where the CEO ends up eating is own foot.
Nice to see that all the ex-Apple talent hired by Palm at great cost to shareholders has resulted in a WinMo rehash of a 1997 vintage form factor. Well done.
Too bad, I liked my 700wx. I was kind of looking forward to this phone but now it looks like it's DOA. Touchpro here I come.
Wouldn't mind a 3g iphone if it came with a plan like Sero. The iphone just isn't worh the extra cost of the AT&T plans. WM ain't pretty but it gets the job done for me. I pretty much like my phone stripped of eye candy anyway.
At least it won't be a complete brick.
6.4 ounces ....... Treo 700wx
6.3 ounces ....... Treo 650
5.43 ounces ...... Treo 750
4.9 ounces ........ Treo 800
4.8 ounces ........ IPhone
4.7 ounces ........ Blackberry 8700
4.2 ounces ........ i780
4.2 ounces ........ Centro
3.9 ounces......... Blackberry Curve
This thing sure is fugly. At least the 850w looks a little better.
WOW Infrared Port...what year are we living in again?
...and whats with the screen not being flush.
WIFI on a TREO??!!?!!?!?!
YES!!!
You guys are all forgetting that this is a Business phone, as per Palm's new device hierarchy. It's not going to have the bell's and whistle's we're looking for, instead it'll be a viable business alternative to the Blackberry and HTC phones.
Wait for the Palm/linux OS due out later this year. That will make or break Palm. We will just have to see....
Grats on Palm finally moving to a USB port though instead of that old r-tard port. Wi-Fi is long overdue too.
@MrNick who said: "Wait for the Palm/linux OS due out later this year. That will make or break Palm. We will just have to see..."
The most repeated words Palm has been choking on for 2-3 years. Even their (never even close to accurate) forecast is calling for well into 2009 for those new models. What Palm is praying for is to survive long enough to limp those new products out to market, yet, once again, they will have been 1-2 years too far behind the curve for it to matter.
On this oval track of mobile technology, Palm is being lapped repeatedly while they continue to ride their tricycle. Just "waiting to see" is the philosophy of fools and idiots.
What a piece of crap.
And 3G iPhone lovers... perhaps you should consider waiting for the Garmin Nuvifone :-D
It looks pretty nice to me. The only down side is that it is Windows Mobile.
You know, everyone and their mother knows this is about to come out on Sprint. Why O' Why is it kept ULTRA secret by palm and Sprint (i.e. no mention of it on either company site) until the day it's released? I don't get it. Usually with most phones there is a build up ad campaign "blagh blagh phone, new on Sprint July 13th" etc. . . Why not Treo's? Why are they always so damn covert? WTF?
Can't wait until the 850 comes over to ATT so this phone can be done right. I love the fact that Sprint gets to be the guinea pig for Palm. The 700wx was massive fail. My WM6 Treo 750 thanks you for taking one for the team.
I can't stand another comparison between a Treo (PalmOS or WinMob) and an device without either a touch-screen or a full qwerty keyboard. They just aren't compatible. I'm excited for this handheld and will likely pick one up over many other options because I like having a touch-screen *and* a full qwerty keyboard.
Is it the sexiest device I've ever seen? Far from it. But the Treo line, stale as it may be, is, in my opinion, still the device to beat.
Flame away
Wake me up when Palm introduces something interesting......
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I have the 700wx and I'll never buy another Treo. The browser is horrible, all kinds of bluetooth problems, plus I have to reset it once a week.
Stop comparing everything to the iphone.
if att didnt lock the iphone for 5 years. verizon and sprints verizon of the iphone would kill att.
Att sucks.
way over priced plans and such.
At sprint i pay 15 a month for data wether i have high speed or 1x. at att they charge you based on speed. its a horrible company