Do you even know what anti-trust means? Apple makes the hardware and the software. What antitrust could there possibly be? Are they going to sue themselves? Do you think it's possible for Apple to have a monopoly on their own products? Think about it.
How long before apples practices of locking everything up, and not allowing competition in the market place, comes to an end?
Think about it. Microsoft could have stopped people from loading a different internet browser into their software... and people would have freaked. Now, lets look at the Apple scenario. They make the hardware AND the software.
I can go into a store and purchase the software. I want to load it on a NON-apple machine. BUT, apple says I cannot do this. ALSO, there is no competition in the market place for machines that run OSX that are NOT made by apple. This is a form of a monopoly. AKA, an anti-trust issue.
Uh, yeah. You missed quite a bit. I'll ask you again, and this time see if you can answer: Do you think it's possible for Apple to have a monopoly on their own products?
How is Apple not allowing competition in the marketplace? Is Apple not allowing people to build PCs and run Windows? Is Apple not allowing people to run Windows on Macs? Explain in detail how Apple is disallowing competition in the marketplace.
And let's be very clear about something: If this marketplace you're referring to is the Macintosh marketplace, there can be no such thing as antitrust. Apple OWNS the Macintosh. Name, brand, hardware, software, all of it. You cannot have a monopoly on something you own.
It's purely Apple's choice to allow you to install their software on non-Mac machines or not. That's not even close to being anti-competitive. It is a closed ecosystem, but that's not illegal or anticompetitive. At all. You may not like it, but that's irrelevant.
MS got dinged for antitrust because they hooked IE into the core OS, making it impossible to remove IE and use something else like Firefox without breaking your system. Does Apple prevent you from removing Safari and using whatever the hell you want? No.
Again, and this seems to bear repeating - Apple is under no obligation whatsoever to allow you to run their OS on whatever machine you want. It has nothing to do with antitrust. They own the hardware and the software, and if they choose to dictate that their OS only runs on their hardware, that is entirely their choice to make.
How are they a monopoly? Ok, Macs are a platform as is Linux, and Windows a platform. Can any PC take a machine and install Linux or Windows? With small hardware changes and some drivers, YES. You are a complete moron to not see through Steve Jobs death grip on you. What a tool you must be. If Mac was like Windows and Linux, you could buy the OS, like ANY other computer, and INSTALL it, but no, Mac is money hungry and think they are the rich kids of Beverly Hills 90210. Zak, oh and S. Jobs, GET OVER YOURSELF. Zealots like yourself, Zak, are the reason why practices from Companies like Apple are still tolerated.
Yes, putting a Corvette motor in a Mustang should result in the death penalty every time. My love for cars aside, you're comparing hardware there... like Intel in PC to Intel in Mac.
Now that we've laid that aside...
When you buy software you buy a license to use it and agree to be bound by it's terms otherwise you won't install it and/or surrender that license.
When you buy a motor or a processor, you're entering into a purchasing contract with usually a warranty and statement of liability/no liability.
It's their operating software. It's their hardware. It's their choice to install it on any other computer. But do they? No. They are constantly selling more Macs each year, which shows that people WILL pay for the Mac, so if you're a company who arguably wants to make money, they'll charge that price. They like their buisness model. It makes money.
By the way, you seem to think that Apple is a money hungry monster. Well guess what: It's a company. Do you know what that means? It tries to take your money away from your wallet! And you know also, I heard that Microsoft also does the same, you know... try to make money. It's pretty amazing you know. Unheard of even. And you call us fanboys.
And... your descendants (should you have any, if not, then good) will contain the failure gene.
Shadowkain - okay you're obviously unclear on the definition of "monopoly". Let's get one thing straight: You cannot have a monopoly on your own products.
You need me to say that again? Pay attention:
YOU CANNOT HAVE A MONOPOLY ON YOUR OWN PRODUCTS.
Apple chooses to only allow their OS to run on their hardware. THAT IS NOT A MONOPOLY. Apple owns the hardware and the software. It is completely up to them if they choose to restrict them to each other, and it's completely legal. It's not even close to being an antitrust issue of any kind.
Apple is not preventing competition in the marketplace. Is Apple preventing you from installing Windows on a PC, or buying a PC? Or even installing Windows on a Mac? No. And at 7% marketshare, it's laughable that you are actually suggesting Apple has a monopoly on anything.
Buy a clue please.
Kamokazi - if you put an LS6 into a Mustang and then called the Mustang a Corvette, then yes, Chevy could sue you. Psystar called their computer an "OpenMac" for a while. That's a direct trademark infringement. As I've mentioned before, the Psystar people are pretty stupid.
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how long before apple keeping everything on lock down becomes an anti-trust issue?
Do you even know what anti-trust means? Apple makes the hardware and the software. What antitrust could there possibly be? Are they going to sue themselves? Do you think it's possible for Apple to have a monopoly on their own products? Think about it.
ummm...?
Yes. I know what anti-trust means.
How long before apples practices of locking everything up, and not allowing competition in the market place, comes to an end?
Think about it. Microsoft could have stopped people from loading a different internet browser into their software... and people would have freaked. Now, lets look at the Apple scenario. They make the hardware AND the software.
I can go into a store and purchase the software. I want to load it on a NON-apple machine. BUT, apple says I cannot do this. ALSO, there is no competition in the market place for machines that run OSX that are NOT made by apple. This is a form of a monopoly. AKA, an anti-trust issue.
Please inform me where I have missed something.
"How long before apples practices of locking everything up, and not allowing competition in the market place, comes to an end?"
You mean standard business practice for all hardware manufacturers? Probably NEVER.
Uh, yeah. You missed quite a bit. I'll ask you again, and this time see if you can answer: Do you think it's possible for Apple to have a monopoly on their own products?
How is Apple not allowing competition in the marketplace? Is Apple not allowing people to build PCs and run Windows? Is Apple not allowing people to run Windows on Macs? Explain in detail how Apple is disallowing competition in the marketplace.
And let's be very clear about something: If this marketplace you're referring to is the Macintosh marketplace, there can be no such thing as antitrust. Apple OWNS the Macintosh. Name, brand, hardware, software, all of it. You cannot have a monopoly on something you own.
It's purely Apple's choice to allow you to install their software on non-Mac machines or not. That's not even close to being anti-competitive. It is a closed ecosystem, but that's not illegal or anticompetitive. At all. You may not like it, but that's irrelevant.
MS got dinged for antitrust because they hooked IE into the core OS, making it impossible to remove IE and use something else like Firefox without breaking your system. Does Apple prevent you from removing Safari and using whatever the hell you want? No.
Again, and this seems to bear repeating - Apple is under no obligation whatsoever to allow you to run their OS on whatever machine you want. It has nothing to do with antitrust. They own the hardware and the software, and if they choose to dictate that their OS only runs on their hardware, that is entirely their choice to make.
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@Zak,
How are they a monopoly? Ok, Macs are a platform as is Linux, and Windows a platform. Can any PC take a machine and install Linux or Windows? With small hardware changes and some drivers, YES. You are a complete moron to not see through Steve Jobs death grip on you. What a tool you must be. If Mac was like Windows and Linux, you could buy the OS, like ANY other computer, and INSTALL it, but no, Mac is money hungry and think they are the rich kids of Beverly Hills 90210. Zak, oh and S. Jobs, GET OVER YOURSELF. Zealots like yourself, Zak, are the reason why practices from Companies like Apple are still tolerated.
You FAIL...
I agree 100 percent.
@Zak
If I put a Corvette engine into a Mustang, should Chevy be able to sue me?
@ Kamokazi
Yes, putting a Corvette motor in a Mustang should result in the death penalty every time. My love for cars aside, you're comparing hardware there... like Intel in PC to Intel in Mac.
Now that we've laid that aside...
When you buy software you buy a license to use it and agree to be bound by it's terms otherwise you won't install it and/or surrender that license.
When you buy a motor or a processor, you're entering into a purchasing contract with usually a warranty and statement of liability/no liability.
Totally different. Totally obvious.
@ShadowKain
It's their operating software. It's their hardware. It's their choice to install it on any other computer. But do they? No. They are constantly selling more Macs each year, which shows that people WILL pay for the Mac, so if you're a company who arguably wants to make money, they'll charge that price. They like their buisness model. It makes money.
By the way, you seem to think that Apple is a money hungry monster. Well guess what: It's a company. Do you know what that means? It tries to take your money away from your wallet! And you know also, I heard that Microsoft also does the same, you know... try to make money. It's pretty amazing you know. Unheard of even. And you call us fanboys.
And... your descendants (should you have any, if not, then good) will contain the failure gene.
Shadowkain - okay you're obviously unclear on the definition of "monopoly". Let's get one thing straight: You cannot have a monopoly on your own products.
You need me to say that again? Pay attention:
YOU CANNOT HAVE A MONOPOLY ON YOUR OWN PRODUCTS.
Apple chooses to only allow their OS to run on their hardware. THAT IS NOT A MONOPOLY. Apple owns the hardware and the software. It is completely up to them if they choose to restrict them to each other, and it's completely legal. It's not even close to being an antitrust issue of any kind.
Apple is not preventing competition in the marketplace. Is Apple preventing you from installing Windows on a PC, or buying a PC? Or even installing Windows on a Mac? No. And at 7% marketshare, it's laughable that you are actually suggesting Apple has a monopoly on anything.
Buy a clue please.
Kamokazi - if you put an LS6 into a Mustang and then called the Mustang a Corvette, then yes, Chevy could sue you. Psystar called their computer an "OpenMac" for a while. That's a direct trademark infringement. As I've mentioned before, the Psystar people are pretty stupid.