Dell slots in 24-inch widescreen S2409W LCD monitor
By Darren Murph 
posted Jul 29th 2008 8:22AM
posted Jul 29th 2008 8:22AM
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TN panel
Werd.
Pass on that shit.
Definitely pass on that.
1920x1080 is terrible - there's no vertical height to it!
What are you talking about KorruptioN? That's 1080p.
They have to be shitting me with that resolution. I want my 120 horizontal lines back.
And a faster response time wouldn't hurt either.
they're switching over to the HD standard. This will be the new resolution from now on.
"This will be the new resolution from now on. "
riiiiiiiiiight
well i'll just be holding onto my 24" soyo for a while then
Seriously. And meh, I'd like the component inputs from the 2407/2408wfp to be in this so I could hook up my Wii. And I could have sworn Nintendo mentioned compatibility with a VGA cable for computer monitors before it came out, but then they also said you could expand the storage easily with any USB drive...
But yeah, we should start an anti-1080p brigade for computer monitors. It reduces costs for manufacturers but at no benefit to consumers.
Is that glass on the outside a-la iMac?
If so, that looks really cool
Otherwise, not so much
Smart business strategy since the general consumers won't know the difference... but yeah, TN panel and 1080p resolution is not the best combo for a computer monitor.
Why is this thing so expensive. You can buy an Acer P243WAid for 10$ more. With the typical 1920x1200 res, triple contrast ratio and 2ms response time.
I own the Acer P243W (sitting in front of it right now), and it's a fantastic monitor for everybody not involved in the graphics business. And I also wouldn't buy the 2409 since, as you correctly pointed out, it is inferior in nearly every discipline.
I also don't get why everybody complains about TN-panels. Sit in front of a real good one and test it for yourself. And don't forget the price tag, since (S)IPS and (S)PVA or MVA panels cost twice as much.
TN panels cost less and have faster response, but their viewing angles are noticeably worse (especially vertically), and they can't even display 24bit colour. Any sort of gradient is either banded or dithered with noise. Maybe games are a little better on a TN, but stills are definitely worse.
And yes, I *am* in the graphics business. No deal.
You don't want the gloss and glare of an iMac. When the screen goes
dark, it's like looking in a mirror. Trust me...
I like looking at myself in the mirror.
I would trust you, but i am sitting in front of an imac right now. there is a window only 2 feet away with bright light shining though, and i can say there is almost no reflection and glare.
If i try to see it then i can see one of my arms. And at night, it is even better, the blacks become much richer. So yeah, glossy is much better.
I know what you mean, the glare is a killer in some situations. If they can make the monitors as bright without the glare, then that's what we need to aim for.
If it were S-IPS I would consider it. TN, hell no.
Here we go with the start of the 16:9 aspect ratio standard for monitors.
This actually has a 16:10 aspect ratio which, is a more common standard for monitors. Usually only TVs are 16:9.
no.. it's 1,920 x 1,080 which is 16:9 1900x1200 is 16:10. Read the link
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/07/28/dell.s2409w.display/
"Dell adds 16:9 ratio S2409W to display mix"
@farinisa:
Please do one or all of the following three things:
1) Click the read link
2) Divide 1920 by 1080 and then compare that with 16 divided by 9
3) Pull head out of ass
well... with all the problems 2408W i can't imagine Dell have become any better.
70ms inputlag
Display Distortion
Smudged Text (bad sharpness)
Looking on the Dell support forums the list is long and the firmware update they promised never came. I guess this is again one of thoes dispalys with tones of bug's and what not.
Dell is down with apple right now, and the only reason apple is there is not because they fail at making the products, but fail to renew them ^^
How do you know if a monitor is TN?
TN panels are the cheapest of the bunch, SIPS or PVA cost a lot more.
You can also figure it out by the low viewing angles. IPS and PVA usually have 178° both horizontal and vertical.
So what technologies are better than TN but without price tags of thousands of dollars?
Redeeming quality:
Power Consumption: 45 Watts (maximum), 31 Watts (normal)
'maximum' is supposed to be when USB & the soundbar are used. So 31W at normal operation seems very low, compared to their other 24 inchers @ 50-57W.
Hope there will be a 27 incher in the series with low power consumption as well. Samsung's got a new 16:9, 27" panel out (LTM270TT01) with a higher resolution, 2048 x 1152. It's TN though.
What the at the res, who needs 1920x1080 panels for PC monitors?! 1920x1200 can display 1080p with black borders and you gain the extra 120 lines for documents etc.
This waste of human and raw resources annoys me.
Actually this will inevitably save resources. If all screens are produced in 16:9 it'll save money too.
Economies of Scale my friend.
Economies of Scale say that you are wrong my friend.
You'd get a larger viewable HD picture on a 1920x1080 24" screen than a 1920x1200. I'm not talking about pixels here, I'm talking about physical diagonal size of the HD movie. On a 1920x1080 you'd get a full 24" movie whereas the 1920x1200 would have top and bottom margins so the diagonal image size would be less than 24".
Samsung 2263PW will hopefully not suck and convince me to part with the necessary cash.
1920x1200 would be a more practical size.
Just bought an Asus 24 in with similar specs to double as a TV in my dorm for $100 more. Arriving today. damnit.
To RMA, or not to RMA, that is the question.
TN == Twisted nematic
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Twisted+Nematic
yeah i saw twisted nematic at the pub the other day. rock and roll, bro!
Bleh, 300 cd/m^2 brightness? DO NOT WANT.
For just a little bit more, you can go for a Samsung 245BW and get 400 cd/m^2 with a really nice dynamic contrast ratio. And it's height adjustable. (no HDMI, but that's easily fixed with a DVI-->HDMI converter)
Ugly...
Wow, a piece of gadgetry that I might be able to afford and that is actually kind of nice. Once I put a big sticker over the Dell logo (I have some old garbage pail stickers that need a home). Normally, I just read all the jazz about gadgets and drool and dream.
I live in Argentina and the only display's we get bigger than 22-inches and that dont just have VGA, are Dells. With that in mind, a few months back I bought a e248wfp, wich as many of you might know has a TN-panel, the main reason i didnt get the 2408wfp was because there was a 300 (USD) difference (the e248wfp costing 700 USD, that was almost a 50% premium). I understand what you say about TN-panels, I mean, how cant i? the viewing angles are a problem, but not as much as most people in the internet made me believe, and i would like a better contrast ratio (and a better mount, so im getting a Ergotron LX) but i can do fine with it, I just watch movies, play a few games, browse a lot and do some coding, and it totally works for me.
The point is, I've never really seen a 16:9 LCD on a PC, but if this would have been available at the time of mi purchase, I would have seriously considered it.
I just bought a 24" Dell... I think I like the shape of the one I have better though, and it was only cheap (now I know why).
I like that new bezel though, hope the new 30" design incorporates it.
TN panel? I'll pass.
You'd think quality would improve as technology matures, but instead they find ways of reducing quality to save money.
My employer provides a Dell 2407wfp, a PVA panel, and it's pretty good. Not the most accurate colours in the world, but fine for programming, sysadmin etc. I used to come home to an iiyama 19" near-flat, and I'd wonder if my eyes were fuzzy - whilst colours were good, it didn't have the impact of the Dell TFT.
I do video and digital photography at home and I sprang for a 20" S-IPS panel from NEC, yes, it was twice the price of an ordinary 20", but it makes the Dell I use at work seem very average in performance! If anything, this NEC 20WGX2pro is *too* bright, but I guess it has to be to overcome the (unfortunately) glossy screen.
Since I don't buy monitors very often, the fact it was double the price doesn't matter, over a number of years it'll have cost much less than keeping my computer moderately up to date (about 6-9 months behind bleeding edge when I upgrade),.
Has any of the people bashing the monitor thought about the possibility someone might be looking for something capable of displaying full HD sources WITHOUT OVERSCANNING and without having to worry about aspect ratio controls, at a price much lower than HDTVs of the same size and without the junk (composite/SCART/s-video connectors, tuner, integrated speakers) they come with? This is going to be the perfect display to use with a 360/PS3 for people on a budget/with limited space/who just prefer to sit close to the screen when playing.
So.. I have an Acer P241W. 24", 1900x1200, 16:10 ratio. Would it be correct to say that watching blu-ray movies and gaming on the 24" Dell be sharper with the "native" resolution of 1900x1080? The stretching (squishing?) on blu-ray movies on my Acer is noticeable but very, very subtle. You've got to make an effort to notice.
For the sake of watching movies/playing games at the correct aspect ratio, would considering the Dell be a decent idea? Mine is TN and honestly I'm fine with that. 3ms slower than my Acer? That's honestly not a concern either. Just wondering about that sharper res if it were native?
http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/p17_All-LCD-Displays_211644_1_Business_Supplies_10051_true_SC3:CG4:DP2000:CL142219#ReviewHeader
Hey guys, just looking for some advice on a monitor/TV. I was thinking either this Dell or the linked A7 from Staples. If you have any other suggestions, I just want one with an HDMI port. I'll be doing some PC gaming but mostly PS3 gaming/TV watching/Blu-Ray/DVD watching and using it as my display for my macbook and my dell. Appreciate all comments.
http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/p17_All-LCD-Displays_211644_1_Business_Supplies_10051_true_SC3:CG4:DP2000:CL142219#ReviewHeader
Funny, everyone has so many speculations yet nobody here actually tried one yet.
Im a bug movie guy so 16:9 is good four me
Anyone know what the difference between this one and the E248WFP? Thanks.
Did anyone try this monitor? it looks good?
Thanks
I convinced a good friend of mine to purchase one, and he and I played with it for a couple of hours. If you were to place this 16:9 monitor next to a 24" 16:10 widescreen, I'm sure you'd notice the height difference, but when you have only the S2409W in front of you, it's so big you don't even care.
The picture was awesome. Brightness was great. We didn't have an Xbox or anything to try out the full HD capabilities of the monitor, but especially now that the price is $349 (at the time of this reply), I'm pretty sure I'm going to get one for myself, and I'd recommend it to others.
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-7345
I would buy it if only it had 1920x1200 instead of 1920x1080.
You can now buy the E248WFP for $329 on sale and it is 1920 x 1080. I think I am still buying the 1920 x 1080 so I can play Xbox 360 on it without the extra bars.
I actually take this back. I ended up buying the Samsung T260HD. I needed the component inputs for my 360 and I looked at converters and those were running at $199 so it wasn't worth it. Plus the converter goes from component to VGA to HDMI which is garbage since it goes to analog and then converts it to digital.
We got a few in the office here. They are plenty fine for general office stuff but steer well clear if you are planning on using this for any graphics/photography/colour sensitive work!
Colours and contrast will change drastically with viewing angle, to the point of vertical grey bars on a white background in a photoshop image that only takes up 2/3 of the screen vertically can be visible at the top but near enough invisible at the bottom.