How would you change HTC's Advantage X7510?
By Darren Murph 
posted August 8th 2008 7:20PM
posted August 8th 2008 7:20PM
posted August 8th 2008 7:20PM
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cheaper, a hard drive
I hope you mean ssd
SSD is a must for any portable but it won't be cheap. Just like 5" screen is great but it will never be able to fit into your pocket.
why do you need SSD, flash rom is fine for a mobile OS, and SDHC cards are fine for storage purposes
1.Add a bigger hard drive
2.Make it cheaper
3.??????????
4.Profit!
more lulz
Hmm, how would I modify it?
I would turn it into an HTC Touch Pro, finally release the damn thing, and give one to me.
damn u beat me to it..
i was gonna say da exact same thing
agreed.
yea, somehow I don't think there'll be a ton of people here who were willing to put down that much change for such a device.
here's a little bit of a critique that was on one of the page announcing availability. interesting sounding device.
"saq @ Jun 18th 2008 1:51PM
One of my very wealthy customers ordered this device on my recommendation and I got to play with it for a few days before he picked it up and left for his annual trip around the world. (He loves the device btw).
This PDA is really awesome, the screen and ergonomics of it are just perfect for what its intended for. Even a 3.5" screen is too small for touching and other things.
The 5" screen is perfect for Windows Mobile & Internet functions (Opera Mobile 9.5), the magnetic keyboard is pretty slick too and works pretty well. The device is thin and everything is just awesome. It only has a few problems.
1: The device is also a phone, it is speakerphone only. You better like bluetooth headsets because that is all you are going to use. My customer has a different phone he carries around, he was using a Universal before but not as a phone, just PDA.
2: The thing is just slightly tall/wide to fit into any pockets (shirt pocket, front pant pockets) so you need a holster to carry this, which is slightly annoying.
Now, it is expensive, but why would you want it over a laptop?
Battery life. This is a PDA so your battery life is stellar. I have a 12" tablet with a 13 hour battery life and it wouldn't be able to touch the Advantage."
i would consider it.
Full-sized backspace key.
sticking off the side..?
Increase the size of the screen.
Seeing i-sheep jr.'s post history since he joined (August 08th, 2008), how come this troll hasn't been banned yet?
you are also 1st to the "low ranked" tag on that comment as well...
Congratulations!
Yeah, that dot between the "1st" and the "!!!!!" was totaly needed.
I wouldn't know how to change it because I've never seen one in person but I must say that is one sexy ass looking device.
How many of us have?
I did... and of course squealed like a school girl, "HTC ADVANTAGE!!!". Or... maybe like a nerdy school girl.
As an X7501 owner, what I would change (aside from fixing all the little annoyances in Windows Mobile) is making the form factor a slide and tilt like HTC's Shift and Tilt, backlighting the keyboard, maybe making it 4.5" diagonal screen and/or 800x480 so that it's narrower in pocket but has similar screen real estate (yes, I do carry mine in my pocket sometimes, but I'm a big guy with big pockets).
More realistically, I'd like a better pack-in case. One of the little plastic arms has already broken on mine, and the other is on its way, plus it blocks the auxiliary screen.
But basically, I'd like the guts of an Advantage in the body of a 12/10ths scale Tilt. And throw in that Nvidia APX 2500 chipset, too.
I have to agree with Keith above - the X7510 truly has it all - but there are some changes and additions I'd like to see:
1.) It has quad GSM/EDGE, but make it quad UMTS/HSPA (not just tri-band). And speed up the HSPA to the fastest version).
2.) Give it a slider keyboard and backlight it. And allow the screen to tilt up. You see all those features on the Tytn II/Tilt, so this should have it, too.
The keyboard as it is, is terrible. It's too small to touch type on, and it doesn't slide so you can't thumb type on it. Having it separate and connect in the way it does really throws off its balance and reduces its usability. In short: it stinks. Please change it (per what I wrote above).
3.) Fix any glitches when playing TCPMP video, or add support for more video codes in another way.
4.) Greatly improve the quality of the camera. C'mon, guys, you can do better than what you have. If you have to, hire someone away from Sony who works on this sort of thing, and let him/her improve the output of your camera.
5.) Change the memory card slot to microSDHC or standard SDHC. Who uses miniSD?
6.) Double the RAM and ROM.
7.) When recording video, increase recording resolution to VGA (640x480).
8.) Make your proprietary port USB 2.0 Hi-Speed host compatible (not just USB 1.1).
9.) Add in vibration functionality.
10.) Add in an accelerometer. You did it with the Touch Pro, you can with this, too.
Numbers 2,5,6,8,9, and 10 (can't speak about the others, yet, when I say...) you did all those in the Touch Pro, so you can integrate all those things in the X7510 (which is even more expensive).
Do that, and the X7510 truly WILL have it all, and make the device far more useful than it currently is. Shoot, you're almost there!
@Keith, (and Cassini)
I can’t help thinking that what you are describing is what we all thought we might get if the Omni had been built.
I use a Universal and while the flip and twist screen is quite good it’s a little inconvenient and I would have preferred a slide mechanism, I like big screens and will put up with carrying a bit of a brick to get one.
In all I’ve gone from being delighted with HTC to being a bit disgruntled. Nothing they’re producing, including the Touch Pro, seems to cover the “one device” market. The single device you carry that does away with Mp3 player, phone and to some extent laptop. For that device I’m not going to worry too much about price, but form factor, storage and capability will be everything.
It doesn't really go into any catagory. It should either be a little smaller, and a compromise of functionality would be acceptable for a more portable device.
The other way to go for it would be to grow in size but be even thinner if possible, kind of like a premium version for an UMPC.
With Eee PC, and all that are following the example really aren't making too many premium products in that catagory.
BTW, that picture of Advantage X7510 is deceiving, it's really not all that thin.
Okay you guys this is it. Sprint is trying to get me to sign another 2 year contract. Now I'm sure the Touch Pro will be going to Sprint.
However what about the Xperia X1?
Any news regarding which network that is going to hit?
Also which would you guys choose? Touch Pro vs Xperia X1?
I'm so confused and torn right now.
@WatchmenGuardian:
"The S.E.X1 (Sony Erickson X1) will be released as a AT&T exclusive on January 1st, 2009 in the U.S."
http://www.bengalboy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1107&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=200
Dual SD card slot. Also the ability to dual boot linux and WM6.1/7(when it comes out).
Tilting screen, sliding if possible, backlit keys, proper haptics on a keyboard like that, TouchFLO 3D
I'd cancel it and put the resources to something else entirely. I honestly still can't quite figure out what this thing is good for. It's an enormous PDA, a crappy phone (due to size, and the fact you can only use a headset with it), and not really a good UMPC type device (WinMob is pretty gimped compared to regular Windows or Linux, this device deserves something more advanced).
So I suppose it is really an oversized ultra-powerful PDA with a cellular data connection, better suited for data use than voice communications. Kind of silly when you can get a netbook with a datacard/USB cell modem.
I have the 7500 and use it every day. TomTom is cool when I use it. I've learned to not use the camera because it is bad. This device has everything you need in it but does most of them badly. There phone doesn't always go through the headset which is intensely annoying.
It's tiny considering how much hardware is in there.
I've stopped using the leather case. It's big advantage was that it made opening the device easier. But it also added to it's bulk. Now I do without the case and you can hardly see it in my trouser pocket. People are always surprised when I whip it out.
Good bits: connectivity everywhere. I use the phone, SMS, Opera, SSH and VNC regularly. Battery life is in the order of 2 days if you are judicial with wifi, bluetooth and gps. PDAs rule in this respect.
Needs a decent OS. I'm pinning my hopes on the x7500 Android efforts.
Crap (blame Microsoft/WinMo here) : music, video, camera, copy and paste, no save as, activesync.
These devices need to replace PMPs as well as laptops and mobile phones.
Have you noticed that here the dicussion is about the HTC?
Currently I'm hungry, so I'd change it into a fried chicken leg. Yummmmmmmmm
this thing is already the sex. i wouldn't change a thing other than make it cheaper so i could afford it.
Make it run Linux instead?
I like the idea of this ultimate road warrior device ....I would prefer a lower price of course. For my needs though, this device, an MID, UMPC are all over kill. As mentioned above, this is definitely a niche product. I'll hold out for the Omnia, X1, or Touch Pro.
Below is from msmobiles.com. 5/30/08
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7383.html
"What I discovered, however, almost right away, is that the Advantage is no identity crisis whatsoever. It's the ultimate sport utility vehicle of smartphones. The Advantage is massively capable and a pleasure to use relative to candy bar phones. It’s far more compelling than its smaller equivalents.
The Advantage became my primary device... a lucky friend received my used HTC TyTN II, and I now anticipate with substantially less enthusiasm upcoming smartphone launches, such as for the HTC Diamond and Palm Treo 800w.
The first key to falling in love with the Advantage is to realize that it's small enough to fit comfortably in jeans pockets. The Advantage doesn't require a briefcase or purse, unless you want the external keyboard and carrying case with you as well. But those accessories add zero value in this reviewer's opinion."
can make a phone call
since this has WM5
I want one. I love the form factor yes clumsy but the screen is ideal size. I've been a power user of PDAs for years. Top of the line. My gripe has been having to carry two (2) electronic devices my PDA and phone. An earpiece needs to be incorporated in the Advantage, for storage and charging and I beilive this device will find a home in a lot of suit pockets/carryers. I am awaiting (and hoping).
I was going to buy this device, until I found out that its graphics performance was mediocre due to HTC not using its graphics processor capabilities.
This situation has not been resolved yet, to my knowledge. If it is, I will buy it. I love the size, flexibility, and have nothing against WinMobile, having used it for the last 4 years.
So, FIX THE DAMN GRAPHICS DRIVER ISSUE!
make it white
The #1 problem with this device (and the HTC shift too) is that they are just too expensive. That said, if this device were 30% cheaper, it might make more sense. I do not see these overpriced devices lasting too long as more devices like the Aigo are released.
1) Ubuntu Mobile or Anroid as the OS
2) maybe a split qwerty keyboard design, kinda like the Samsung Q1 Ultra
3) built-in jabber server to act as an SMS/MMS gateway
4) built-in SIP server to act as a voice gateway
5) dual SIM cards
6) ability to act as a wifi access point for other devices
7) support for NAM 3G (meaning T-mobile, but I suppose we can let that other, craptastic, carrier in on the deal too).
Sell it for under $10
Hmmn...
I want slackware Linux installed....
Add more SSDs
Dual SIM...
Make the SPACE key longer....
If it runs Mojave I will buy it.
thank you sir, this comment brightened my day :)
I can only imagine how bad "Mojave" would run on this thing...if Windows Mobile is bad, you might use a stone and chisel faster than a desktop version of windows...even xp would run slow, let alone vista/mojave!
1) Give it the ability to locate and destroy all the little GadgeTrolls
on the Internet!
2) Give it the ability to locate and destroy all the little YouTrolls
on the internet!
3) Give it the ability to locate and destroy people who have called me
"The world's only Mexican Nerd!"
That really hurts.....
This is to cool, even better than the iPhone.
It's sad to announce with your screen name, what you like to do with sheep...
Drop WinMobile for Ubuntu MID, give it an e-ink screen with optional backlight in case the subway's power goes out.
It should be...
Screen: 16:9 ratio, maybe 5+"
Keyboard: Sliding like OQO (the clip is silly, and the main reason I won't buy). Keyboard also needs to be more responsive, like old Casiopia keyboards (tiny laptop keyboards).
Look&Feel: More Lenovo + Apple style, less HP + Dell look
Custom UI (Tweaked PointUI?)
Needs to be .5" or thinner total, >0.3-4" scores big points.