Because no other phone has any problems? Or maybe it's because the iPhone's problems get massively overblown by the media because it's so popular? Haters do love a scapegoat, don't they?
I mean you could easily counterbalance all those reports with reports from quite literally *millions* of iPhone owners whose iPhones are all working just fine, thank you. But iPhone and FUD usually go hand in hand around here, so feel free to panic if you need to.
Let me do a little editing on your response, and see what you think.
Because no other [OS|Media player|game console|Other MS product] has any problems? Or maybe it's because [Window's|Zune's|360's|Other MS product's] problems get massively overblown by the media because it's so popular? Haters do love a scapegoat, don't they?
I mean you could easily counterbalance all those reports with reports from quite literally *millions* of [Windows|Zune|360|Other MS product] owners whose [Windows|Zunes|360s|Other MS products] are all working just fine, thank you. But [Windows|Zune|360|Other MS product] and FUD usually go hand in hand around here, so feel free to panic if you need to.
Simon: That slogan was in 2006, and it was for Macs. My Mac does, in fact, "just work". What's the problem? The iPhone wasn't even out in 2006 so "hubris" my ass, try again please.
Nohome: I get it, you don't have a response to the points I made so you want to ridicule me instead. For the record, as if it wasn't completely obvious, I never said anything bad about MS. But you go ahead and have your imaginary conversation, and I'll continue to make points that are apparently beyond your ability to counter.
Ah yes, the true Apple apologist - attack somebody for pointing out flaws in your argument for being too stupid to comprehend your elitist attitude. Just like the other day when you leading an all out attack on somebody named Doug for spreading FUD about there being a way that Apple could remotely disable an app. But when Jobs admits to this, nothing more from you is said. Why should we believe anything you say when you have been proven to be completely, and utterly wrong?
Looking through your post history, you have resorted to calling people morons, "mouth breather", dumb, dipstick, "Dickweed", braindead, stooge, hypocrite, ignorant, and more - and that was just in two pages of your comments. I was trying to compare your reaction to many other comments that have been made around here about non-Apple products, and get your honest response, to see if you apply the same reaction to those products. Instead, well, I guess trying to debate something is wrong of me, because the Zak has single-handedly said my question is not worthy of his response.
You have no problem making any comment you wish about a product that competes with an Apple, but how dare anybody say something about Apple - even if those people are Apple users.
One other thing (bring out the Apple lawyers for using their patented quote), at least try to get my alias correct. Or is that another pathetic attempt at making fun of others that are not as wonderful as you are?
Nopone - You call what you did "pointing out flaws in my argument"? Hahaha. Wow. You must still be fairly new to English or something.
Oh and wait, nothing more from me was said? I'm sorry, I didn't get the memo, where was I supposed to post something so you could read it? Oh right, and then I remembered I don't exist to serve your interests. And you think I have an elitist attitude? Compared to you? Really?
Oh yes, and please point out the name calling done by me, but not by other people. That's being objective, good job. And let's be clear, if you were really trying to debate something with me, you would have addressed what I said instead of copying it and subbing in Microsoft products. Snarky sarcasm is not what I would call a "debate", maybe it's different where you come from.
And sorry to disappoint you by not proclaiming my utter hatred of all things Microsoft, but it's pretty typical of tools like you to assume I hate Microsoft. But please backpedal over your original response to me, that will be funny. Come on, make some excuses, let's see it.
And finally, if you really believe I'm knee-jerk defending Apple, you are seriously not paying attention to what I'm saying. I take issue when people say things that are blatantly wrong, stupid or just uninformed, not when they are simply anti-Apple. Look harder, you might be surprised. Did you even read the original post that I was responding to, or did you just respond to me out of some misguided sense of anti-Apple justice?
"Gosh look at all these problems, I wonder if the iPhone is even worth it."
Look at my response again. Look harder this time. Can you see it yet? You gonna tell me my iPhone isn't working? Why don't you go door to door and ask all the millions of people out there how their iPhones are doing if you want to prove me wrong on this one. Calling me an apologist without even reading or understanding what I'm saying is pretty weak, not to mention old. Try harder.
The funny thing about this is that I was in agreement with you. Yes, everything has their problems, and as somebody who has defended Apple to the end, I was trying to get you to extend that assumption (that everything has problems) to all products rather than your beloved Apple.
But insted, you go on a rabid "You do not deserve any response from me, because I support Apple" tear, showing your elitism. You did not attack me the other day, but you did attack others accusing them of spreading lies and FUD when there was proof behind their claims, and something that your Steve Jobs admitted to. Just like you are having a fit that I brought up Microsoft in an article about Apple, you are making claims that were not true - that I am demanding you notify me of your error, and then saying I am elitist for it. You could have easily gone back into those posts and said "I was wrong, sorry about that." But you will not, because based upon your responses, everybody is below you and you cannot be wrong. You say that others have called you names, if they did, that was uncalled for. But where did I call you stupid, or unable to understand English, or the like - much like you called me? Attack, attack, attack - anybody who says anything bad about Apple, Jobs, or any one of the Apple true, must be attacked.
I never said anything about your iPhone not working. But I know that mine has been far, far from anywhere near satisfactory. Are there many people that are perfectly happy with their phone? No doubt. Just like I am sure there are many people that are happy with Windows, 360, Zune, etc.
The only name I will call you is insecure, because that old phrase "Methinks thou doth protest too much" comes to mind.
Yes!!!!! *victory dance* Thank you Nohone. We are slowly amassing an army of logic to defeat Zak.
Zak, you are always the first person to whip out an insult. Go back on your previous posts and you will see it is true. When you posted on an article about Mac viruses, you said that there were none, when a simple google search says otherwise. You chide people for not backing up their opinions, and then spout unfounded "facts." You, sir, are the epitome of hypocrisy.
Whenever i see a stream of question marks from you, i know that the person is going to be ripped to shreds from your vehement stream of nonsensical rhetorical questions.
I'm going to try appealing to your elitist side. If you think yourself so superior in reasoning than these other fools, why do you continue to press your opinion. If you believe you are right, phooey to all the rest. Go away and leave us who are "new at English or something" to discus things in an orderly and peaceful manner.
A word of advice: you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
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Something makes me wonder if an iPhone is really worth it afterall:
iPhone 3G GPS problems
http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/11/iphone-experiencing-gps-problems-after-2-0-1-update/
iPhone 3G MobileMe problem
http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/26/apple-admits-to-lost-mobileme-messages-bad-karma/
iPhone 3G cracked
http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/30/are-iphone-3gs-cracking/
iPhone 3G App remote kill-switch
http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/11/jobs-60-million-iphone-apps-downloaded-confirms-kill-switch/
iPhone 3G 2.0.1 breaking carrier unlocks
http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/05/iphone-2-0-1-breaking-some-carrier-unlocks/
Awesome! :)
Because no other phone has any problems? Or maybe it's because the iPhone's problems get massively overblown by the media because it's so popular? Haters do love a scapegoat, don't they?
I mean you could easily counterbalance all those reports with reports from quite literally *millions* of iPhone owners whose iPhones are all working just fine, thank you. But iPhone and FUD usually go hand in hand around here, so feel free to panic if you need to.
@ Zak
I think the problem is that Apple fed the hype with slogans such as "It just works". Hubris.
@Zak:
Let me do a little editing on your response, and see what you think.
Because no other [OS|Media player|game console|Other MS product] has any problems? Or maybe it's because [Window's|Zune's|360's|Other MS product's] problems get massively overblown by the media because it's so popular? Haters do love a scapegoat, don't they?
I mean you could easily counterbalance all those reports with reports from quite literally *millions* of [Windows|Zune|360|Other MS product] owners whose [Windows|Zunes|360s|Other MS products] are all working just fine, thank you. But [Windows|Zune|360|Other MS product] and FUD usually go hand in hand around here, so feel free to panic if you need to.
Simon: That slogan was in 2006, and it was for Macs. My Mac does, in fact, "just work". What's the problem? The iPhone wasn't even out in 2006 so "hubris" my ass, try again please.
Nohome: I get it, you don't have a response to the points I made so you want to ridicule me instead. For the record, as if it wasn't completely obvious, I never said anything bad about MS. But you go ahead and have your imaginary conversation, and I'll continue to make points that are apparently beyond your ability to counter.
@Zak:
Ah yes, the true Apple apologist - attack somebody for pointing out flaws in your argument for being too stupid to comprehend your elitist attitude. Just like the other day when you leading an all out attack on somebody named Doug for spreading FUD about there being a way that Apple could remotely disable an app. But when Jobs admits to this, nothing more from you is said. Why should we believe anything you say when you have been proven to be completely, and utterly wrong?
Looking through your post history, you have resorted to calling people morons, "mouth breather", dumb, dipstick, "Dickweed", braindead, stooge, hypocrite, ignorant, and more - and that was just in two pages of your comments. I was trying to compare your reaction to many other comments that have been made around here about non-Apple products, and get your honest response, to see if you apply the same reaction to those products. Instead, well, I guess trying to debate something is wrong of me, because the Zak has single-handedly said my question is not worthy of his response.
You have no problem making any comment you wish about a product that competes with an Apple, but how dare anybody say something about Apple - even if those people are Apple users.
@Zak:
One other thing (bring out the Apple lawyers for using their patented quote), at least try to get my alias correct. Or is that another pathetic attempt at making fun of others that are not as wonderful as you are?
Anando, you can add no refunds for apps to that growing list.
Nopone - You call what you did "pointing out flaws in my argument"? Hahaha. Wow. You must still be fairly new to English or something.
Oh and wait, nothing more from me was said? I'm sorry, I didn't get the memo, where was I supposed to post something so you could read it? Oh right, and then I remembered I don't exist to serve your interests. And you think I have an elitist attitude? Compared to you? Really?
Oh yes, and please point out the name calling done by me, but not by other people. That's being objective, good job. And let's be clear, if you were really trying to debate something with me, you would have addressed what I said instead of copying it and subbing in Microsoft products. Snarky sarcasm is not what I would call a "debate", maybe it's different where you come from.
And sorry to disappoint you by not proclaiming my utter hatred of all things Microsoft, but it's pretty typical of tools like you to assume I hate Microsoft. But please backpedal over your original response to me, that will be funny. Come on, make some excuses, let's see it.
And finally, if you really believe I'm knee-jerk defending Apple, you are seriously not paying attention to what I'm saying. I take issue when people say things that are blatantly wrong, stupid or just uninformed, not when they are simply anti-Apple. Look harder, you might be surprised. Did you even read the original post that I was responding to, or did you just respond to me out of some misguided sense of anti-Apple justice?
"Gosh look at all these problems, I wonder if the iPhone is even worth it."
Look at my response again. Look harder this time. Can you see it yet? You gonna tell me my iPhone isn't working? Why don't you go door to door and ask all the millions of people out there how their iPhones are doing if you want to prove me wrong on this one. Calling me an apologist without even reading or understanding what I'm saying is pretty weak, not to mention old. Try harder.
@zak
maybe we should change that old slogan to 'it just doesnt work' then
@Zak
The funny thing about this is that I was in agreement with you. Yes, everything has their problems, and as somebody who has defended Apple to the end, I was trying to get you to extend that assumption (that everything has problems) to all products rather than your beloved Apple.
But insted, you go on a rabid "You do not deserve any response from me, because I support Apple" tear, showing your elitism. You did not attack me the other day, but you did attack others accusing them of spreading lies and FUD when there was proof behind their claims, and something that your Steve Jobs admitted to. Just like you are having a fit that I brought up Microsoft in an article about Apple, you are making claims that were not true - that I am demanding you notify me of your error, and then saying I am elitist for it. You could have easily gone back into those posts and said "I was wrong, sorry about that." But you will not, because based upon your responses, everybody is below you and you cannot be wrong. You say that others have called you names, if they did, that was uncalled for. But where did I call you stupid, or unable to understand English, or the like - much like you called me? Attack, attack, attack - anybody who says anything bad about Apple, Jobs, or any one of the Apple true, must be attacked.
I never said anything about your iPhone not working. But I know that mine has been far, far from anywhere near satisfactory. Are there many people that are perfectly happy with their phone? No doubt. Just like I am sure there are many people that are happy with Windows, 360, Zune, etc.
The only name I will call you is insecure, because that old phrase "Methinks thou doth protest too much" comes to mind.
Zak's been trolling Engadget comments for a long time. Don't feed him.
Yes!!!!! *victory dance* Thank you Nohone. We are slowly amassing an army of logic to defeat Zak.
Zak, you are always the first person to whip out an insult. Go back on your previous posts and you will see it is true. When you posted on an article about Mac viruses, you said that there were none, when a simple google search says otherwise. You chide people for not backing up their opinions, and then spout unfounded "facts." You, sir, are the epitome of hypocrisy.
Whenever i see a stream of question marks from you, i know that the person is going to be ripped to shreds from your vehement stream of nonsensical rhetorical questions.
I'm going to try appealing to your elitist side. If you think yourself so superior in reasoning than these other fools, why do you continue to press your opinion. If you believe you are right, phooey to all the rest. Go away and leave us who are "new at English or something" to discus things in an orderly and peaceful manner.
A word of advice: you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.