Hands (and feet) on with ION's Drum Rocker Rock Band Premium Drum Set
By Nilay Patel 
posted Aug 25th 2008 1:34PM
posted Aug 25th 2008 1:34PM
Update: Joystiq also got a chance to check this bad boy out, they didn't like it quite as much as we did. Take a peek here.
- The kick drum pedal is fairly beefy, and while it's not quite some monster DW rig, it's pretty nice for what it is -- it's certainly going to stand up to abuse better than the Harmonix unit. The action is fairly light, but you'll have to get used to it.
- The pads are way nicer than the original kit's, but they still don't feel like drums, more like really nice practice pads. It'll be interesting to see how they work when used with a game that registers pressure-sensitivity.
- The cymbals are just duplicate pads -- you can actually pick which color you want to double. That led to some odd patterns in Rock Band since the game doesn't know about cymbals, but we'd bet that Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero: World Tour have it sorted.
- We definitely had to re-calibrate Rock Band to make this rig playable, so don't expect to be able easily to swap between kits or anything.
- Sadly, it doesn't register as a regular MIDI controller when plugged into a computer -- hackers, get on it!
Video games are owning us. We're racing cars in virtually without driving in real life. We're playing music instruments or dancing instead of doing it with other people... what's next? Stealing cars and getting hookers on a video game instead of real life?
DAMN IT.
Some of what you say is true, but I just have to ask... what's up with your first example? Who cares about racing?
/me waits for NASCAR fans
/me ignores NASCAR fans
I take it you've never played Grand Theft Auto..
At least driving games have a measure of skill that translates to the real thing. Rock Bank and GH have nothing to do with playing music.
I understand racing video games and other simulators, and I even love Rock Band and GH because they cost way less than getting kitted out with real instruments and you can pretend you know how to play. What I don't get is spending almost as much or more than the price of your console to buy a fake instrument that can only be used as a peripheral for one or two games.
Matt: The drums can be connected to a drum brain and used as real E-drums, which is what they are.
@Matt
And they don't have stuff like that for racing games?
Apparent I hurt the feelings of some of you Simon players who think you are musicians.
Don't get me wrong, I've played these games and I enjoy them. Apologies in advance for the damage your self image, being the best drummer on Rock Band does not make you Neil Peart.
@ CraigJ
And being the best at GT5:P does not make you the next Michael Schumacher.
Video games are all about immersion and fantasy, man. It's always been this way, it's just that now we have the technology to take it a step further. The possibilities now and in the future are exciting!
Of course not. The point is that in driving game you are, generally, simulating driving (and killing the occasional hooker).
what's your point craigj? If you play the drums in the game, you're gaining REAL drumming skills. Don't be such a bitter little twat.
Real drumming skills... right.
They have stuff like that for racing games, sure, but it's cost effective compared to getting in a car and hurtling around a track at 200 miles an hour. I don't see the draw of laying down 300 bills on a mediocre e-drum set to play Rock Band, which is what this is marketed as.
@computer.dude.28: I take it you've never played Sarcasm.
I lold at the "EMPTY BOX A"
out of control
Are these drums also a standalone drum set? Or are they just for the game?
You buy a 'brain' that handles that part. Another $360.
https://www.drumrocker.com/preorder/index.php
Ostensibly they are only for the game, but I'm guessing they could easily be hooked up to the "brain" of a "real" electronic drum set. They look pretty high quality. It might be a cheap alternative to more expensive roland set or something.
The brain is $360? That's ridiculous since (according to Game Informer) this thing only has three different levels of velocity. They should just make a cheap MIDI-In box so you can use any electronic kit with it.
You can get a midi converter to connect it to a pc for about $100 and then use a variety of midi drum synths to become your "brain" for about $80.
The kit has more than three velocity levels, rock band 2 only registers three.
This kit is basically a Simmons SD5 and several other kits (medali makes them) with a custom box made to interface it with the console. you can find plenty of videos of the kit in action. It's a solid, entry level e-drum kit. You're paying a premium for the box that lets you use it in the game.
the kit works with any e-drum brain out there. you can find some cheapo one for as low as 150 but those brains of course only have basic sounds.
Those speakers look depressingly crappy.
I thought this would be usable with the GH:WT game as well. Correct?
Also, any word on if they will have these in store for purchase or is it online only?
Why pretend when you are more than half way to the real thing?
I agree. Just get some real drums! Start a band with some real people! Get real chicks!
You'd be surprised how many real chicks Rock Band skills can get you.
Seriously, WTF? just learn to play the real drums. You can get a set of Digi Drums cheaper then this and the console.
Shut it already. We've heard this way too many times.
Why buy madden? Learn to play football.
Why buy Call of Duty. Learn to shoot.
Why buy .....
ya, sort of.
But then it wouldn't be a fun game.
Yeah, but if you get a real electronic drum kit and the rockband drum, you can easily use the real drum kit to play rockband, plus you still have a real drum kit.
Well, playing madden is very little like actually playing football...even playing Guitar Hero is little like a guitar...
Drums is different with a rig like this. I know any drummers on this site will tell me this is nothing like real drums, but you have to admit it is close. For this much money and space you could invest in learning actual drums. The normal Rock Band set makes sense--just simple pads. But this seems a little much.
I live in the UK and my friend imported Rock Band from the US (he has a US PS3 too). He has never played an instrument in his life, his brother sings and plays a little bit of guitar and his sister plays a bit of piano. He played Rock Band a lot and found he was really good at the drums, acing the majority of songs on Expert mode after a few months of non-stop rocking. We drop by his house a lot to play it with him (I rock at the guitar, both real life and on the game, but that's not important [/shameless ego petting]) and we told him that he was really good at it - although the other instruments can't compare to their real life counterparts, the drums can help you to detect when someone has really good co-ordination and stamina.
Anyway, to cut a very long story short, he asked for a drum kit for his birthday - he's been solidly playing it for 4 weeks and he is really good at them.
The way I see it, if games like these help people discover something that they're really good at, then what harm are they doing?
TL;DR: Boy played Rock Band drums. Became very good. Boy bought real drum kit and played them. Was very good.
@prioret
Seriously, WTF? just talk to people IRL. You can use your voice cheaper than buying a computer and internet service.
Is that an IKEA rug? Sweet! Oh yeah, that drum kit looks massive. I'm going to have to move to support my gadget fetish.
no second bass drum pedal?
Also available as a $40 addon...
https://www.drumrocker.com/preorder/index.php
Wow $300 these...Hmm might have to go halfsies with my roommate on this. the Geek in me says i need 2 waste more $$ on video controllers.
*video game controllers.....I FAIL
Could you all post a pic of the headset jack? On orig. drum kit, you couldn't plug in normal headset. I had to use chat pad headset. Has Ion fixed this issue?
Awesome. Assuming I can buy the brain by itself, I'll just hook my V-Drums set up to it and save a lot of space and redundancy.
Sadly, it doesn't register as a regular MIDI controller when plugged into a computer
WHAT THE FUCK!?
NEED I SAY MORE?
SERIOUSLY! WHAT THE FUCK!
That won't take long though.
I'm sure our mutual friend Andrew Rudson (http://andrewrudson.com/drummachine/main.php) will have that fixed up in a jiffy!
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PEOPLE PLEASE DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE POSTING THAT IT CAN'T DO SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS! Read the FAQ on their web site.
You CAN use this with a PC using one of these: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TriggerIO
You CAN play it standalone with one of these: http://www.midi-store.com/product.php?productid=16937
Also, the kit in the picture isn't put together right. It's supposed to curve around the player, not in a straight line.
Ion REALLLLLLLY needs to release the device that takes the quarter inch in and sends out the game signals- there are so so many of us that want to use our existing 'real' electronic drum sets to play rockband. It's a huge market that they could open themselves up to.
Please, ion?
PRETTY Please?
in their faq they say they plan to do just that.
I'm one of those people right here. I've never played Guitar Hero or Rock Band since I own real instruments. But if I could use my Roland kit to play said games then I could rock with my non-musician friends who feel left out sometimes.
@jsn
Q: If I want just the brain without the rest of the drums, will that be available for purchase separately? If so, when and how much?
A: We have not finalized plans to sell the Drum Rocker controller module separately, but expect that we will do so later in the year. However, it’s important to note that we intend to do so to allow Drum Rocker users who own multiple consoles to use a single Drum Rocker kit with all of their systems, not for people to use the controller module with other electronic drum and cymbal pads.
Looks like it won't work well or at all...
Wanna use your exiting electronic drum kit with Rock Band? You can! Check this out:
http://www.rockband.com/rockers_blog/sethmeisterg
will the omega pedal work with this kit?
What I REALLY want to know is if you can plug in pads from a real e-drum set and they register. Please test this capablity.
I already own a roland set. If I can plug my set into the brain and have it work, I'd appreciate it. It would also let me know whether I could wait and see if they produced just the RB2 brain.
thanks
1.waste of money if you look at it like this - should i pay $300 for this drum kit by itself or $180 and get a guitar, mic, good enough drums, and the game
2. im glad i have the 360 version of the first game cause its drums/mic and 2 wireless Les Paul guitars seem like the best combo so far
As long as it doesn't slide back on wood floors. Every time I play drums in Rock Band the drums slide away from me, which makes it really hard to play well.
I really want to know if i can plug in my Roland set at long last and play rockband on my real-electric set!
Anyone know if just the hub where all the 1/4" jacks plug in will be available by itself? It seem to me that my Yamaha digital set would work if I had that controller.
Over an hour to set this up? Not sure if it requires a hardware key, but even so a monkey should be able to set this up faster consider a real 7 piece drum set can take under 30 minutes to setup.
I was talking about from first opening the box to getting it set up -- see all those separate boxes? Each one was full of individually-wrapped parts that had to be assembled and tightened with a drum key.
I MIGHT buy it if it was $300 and was compatible with 360, wii, and PS3, and also Guitar Hero World Tour on each of those consoles.
Looks very nice. I've never played Rock Band, so if 2 is going to be this good looking, I might finally buy a console.
SWEET! I want one....now if i can only win the lottery....
Buy a real drum set and stop being so gay.
(I don't care if you are gay, I'm just hitting on the South Park reference.)
Shut up.
the official drum kit came with an adapter for your 360 headset. an adapter and harness to be exact.
Timmy and the lords of the underworld is a bonus track on Rock Band 1(meaning HMX didn't pay one dime to get in the game). Trey and Matt both play Guitar hero and rock band as does most of their animation studio. Get over yourself and maybe realize there was more to that episode than making fun of people who take these games too seriously.
@CraigJ
"being the best drummer on Rock Band does not make you Neil Peart."
being the biggest douche bag on engadget doesn't make you any less of a cum dumpster.
sweet. Not the drum set, although that too is sweet, but my first 'sweet' was for that rug, because I have the same one in my theater room. It's bigger though, and my theater room is just a regular 12'x21' room converted to a theater, but I was wondering if I should place the subwoofer to my theater rig on top of the carpet, or on the side of it that's still part of the regular floor? will the carpet (is it a carpet or is it a rug? whatevs) deafen the sub?
Maybe we can get a video of you guys rocking out on it? :)
Why no mention of how the Ion set actually PERFORMED compared to the original. I WANT to know if they work as well. Well, do they??
Based on how you have the Ion kit set up, I'd say you've never seen a real drum kit before.
You're right, I don't look at drums very often -- in the H70s we've replaced the drummer with Ableton entirely and no one cares. ;)
would you still have to calibrate this even if you play on a CRT tv?
*slap*
Skip the drum kit and go buy a low end LCD.
Forget the drum kit! What kind of decks n mixer setup you got in the background there???!!!
And I thought the old drum set took a lot of space.
It's not assembled right. The crossbar that supports the yellow and blue pads fits in the top brackets of the legs. The supports for the red and green pads go in the lower brackets. With that change, you can rotate the side supports in and it would only be slightly wider than the original drum set.
After reading some of the comments here, I couldn't help but laugh.
Getting real driving experience playing a video game? I'd love to see some idiot who believes that, play a racing game for months then get behind the wheel of a car for his driving exam. You ain't walking away with a license kids. Just a heads up on that...
As for Rockband and it's follow-up?
I have been playing drums for 34 years. I've only been playing guitar for about 3 years. I love this game. It's not even close to being a learning tool or a way to learn real skills. But it's one heck of an amazing game. I play with my real musician friends at least once a week, I also play with my non-musically inclined friends regularly. It's about having fun.
Now I too wish I could hook up my Yamaha kit to this game and play, but it didn't stop me from ordering this new drum kit ($300+ is a Hell of a decent investment compared to the 8000$ I paid for mine). We've already modified an old beater Les Paul with the wired controller for Rockband 1 (well, I didn't, my guitarist buddy did), and having an even better kit to jam with on the game will be a blast.
If you can play real instruments that doesnt mean youre going to be able to make any good music lol.And for that matter be able to write any songs. Anyways Rock band and guitar hero are stictly RYTHEM games.not making music its mainly about keeping the beat.
Have you guys had a chance to test this as an actual e-kit yet? That is the only thing keeping me from buying it. If possible, could you test it with multiple brains?