The Engadget Review: Palm Treo Pro

Hardware
What is most obvious and striking about the latest Palm device is the almost-entirely revamped design. Where the Centro was a logical progression of previous Treo housings, the Pro is a somewhat radical departure, losing that awkward silver band and adding a rounded-button motif throughout. While there's much to praise about these updates -- the flush screen, the glossy black finish -- the overall design still feels slightly dated. There just seems to be too much going on at once.

The keyboard we've seen on the Centro makes an appearance here, though its keys are more widely spaced, making quick typing slightly easier -- though by no means easy. The odd, jellied feel of this QWERTY is still uncomfortable and imprecise, and more often then not you'll find yourself backtracking to correct clumsy mistakes. The keyboard from the recently released (though far less interesting) 800w is closer to what we know and love from Palm, and the company should seriously consider a return to that form in future models.
Palm has scored big time in a few regards, however. Not only has the company dug that sunken screen out and made it flush with the casing, but they've also managed to trim up the device considerably, creating a competitively lean phone that sits alongside the iPhone 3G or Touch Diamond and more than holds its own. They finally hit on one of the crucial pain points for Treo devices, and have at least leveled the playing field in that regard.
The display, however, is a standard 320 x 320 resistive touchscreen, and we're getting a bit tired of these cramped workspaces on the Treo line. While everyone else is working to up the resolution, pixel density, and contrast ratios of their displays, Palm seems to be asleep at the wheel. For as much plastic as we see here, the abysmal lack of actual screen is annoying.


Inside the plastic, you'll find a Qualcomm MSM7201 400MHz CPU, HSDPA cell radio, 802.11b/g WiFi, GPS, Bluetooth 2.0, 256MB of ROM, 128MB of RAM, a 2-megapixel camera, and support for microSD cards up to a whopping 32GB capacity. Palm has jettisoned the annoying and outdated HotSync cable in favor of the somewhat-obscure micro USB port -- though it's a step in the right direction. Another hardware change sure to win points is the inclusion of a 3.5mm headphone jack, allowing pretty much any standard headset or earbuds to be used without an adapter.
All of those on-board radios do a terrific job -- we had excellent and speedy reception in 3G areas, and found the GPS to be immensely useful even though it took a bit of doing to gather satellites and pinpoint our location. Palm has included a modernized Comm Manager to make switching on and off services easy, and it's planted a dedicated WiFi button on the phone (much like the 800w) that makes getting onto networks slightly less of a hassle than you're used to with WM devices.

Software
Apart from the new hardware, however, this is in many ways the same Palm you've always known. Where devices like the aforementioned Diamond or the Samsung Omnia have strived to distance themselves from the aging Windows Mobile OS with complex skins and UI improvements, the Treo Pro does little to mask the platform. Partly this is by design: the company is targeting a business user with the phone, and they say the less bloatware or cruft on the device, the better. Unfortunately, pairing something as clunky and dated as WM 6.1 (and its unenjoyable Mobile IE) with a device that so fiercely eschews the status quo in design is an uneven message. It seems to us had Palm applied just a little more effort in molding the user experience, this would have been carried off more successfully as a cohesive whole.
As far as straight-forward WM encounters go, however, this is probably as painless as it gets, and moving around from app to app is quick and easy. That included HTC task manager helps, as do the multifarious hard keys -- you're never very far from what you're looking for.



Wrap up
Possibly the most interesting -- if not somewhat confusing -- aspect of the phone is the way in which it's being sold. For the first time, Palm is marketing this device in an unlocked form out of the gate (in the US at least, contract prices will be available in Europe). If you've got $549 and a deep desire for freedom, the Pro can be yours no questions asked. This puts it right alongside Nokia's latest higher-end phones and HTC's offerings, and it's a bold (no pun intended) move, but one which puts an average buyer at a disadvantage.

All in all there really isn't a lot to say here. The Treo Pro is is a solid, if fairly familiar device that will please the business set and few others. For all its good looks and clean lines, this isn't being marketed to a wide range of customers -- not with its software or its price, and because of that the Pro creates a strange dichotomy. It's the first time in a long time we've seen inspired design from the company, but it's also the first time we've seen them market a device destined solely for the upper tier of buyers (and believe us, up there you've got some pretty stiff competition). Palm, we hate to repeat ourselves, but here's what you should be doing right now: getting your new OS out the door, getting it onto a device that follows in the Pro's design footsteps, and leveraging those hardware costs against a reasonable carrier deal. The Treo Pro is a fine phone, but not the device that will put you back up on top of the pile.






















Nice :)
Damn, that's a nice box.
Looks like that Verizon Storm box, don't it?...
http://www.engadget.com/photos/blackberry-storm-9350-for-verizon-gets-boxed-1/1003042/
I dunno... I think this phone blows the socks off of the Blackberries which have a horrible UI (looks great but horrible usability), no touchscreen, and that stupid trackball. Without a carrier deal though I won't be getting the device but if a deal ever comes out... this is the phone I've been looking for. Maybe the RIMM Thunder will have a great UI.
So feature-wise (and price-wise), it seems like the iPhone at least matches or beats the Treo Pro. Sad. I do really really like the dedicated buttons they added though, I wish more phones had them.
Do we have to write up the lists of what the iPhone can't do, and this phone (and pretty much any other smartphone) can do, yet again?
Seriously, just stop dragging the iPhone into every damn thing already. We know it exists. We know what it can do. We read engadget, there is no way for us not to know what the iPhone can do. We're tired of all the comments comparing every piece of gadget you can hold in your hand to the iPhone.
Enough already!
Do you homework, buddy. The iPhone has one and only one advantage: a larger screen with multi-touch. Other than that, try this with the iPhone:
* a real keyboard
* send pictures by email
* video recording
* copy/paste text
* view Java web pages (about 1/3 of all pages out there!)
* Install a million and one applications for Windows
* Office apps where you can edit the documents
* Stereo Bluetooth
* Use it as a 3G computer modem
* Any other network than AT&T
* remove / replace the battery
* Store half of my music collection on the additional 32 Gb of memory....
A few points to the author:
1. They didn't license the HTC home screen, this phone is *made by* HTC. A lot of your comments about the build make a little more sense if you take that into account. Seriously, how did you not know that working in this industry?
2. 320x320 is higher res than most current gen phones. It's no iPhone (480x320), nor is it up to par with the newer 640x480 models slowly appearing, but it's a step up from the 320x240 that every phone released in the last 5+ years has been. Credit where credit is due!
HTC has produced many phones for Palm as an OEM, the Treo Pro is no different. There's no "HTC home screen" here, just a task manager -- you won't find it on previous WM Treos, and when speaking with Palm we were told it was licensed.
The screen size? Well that's a matter of opinion, but it feels and looks cramped to us, and compared with the new crop of Windows Mobile devices, it's not very impressive.
Just because HTC is making the phone doesn't mean they will allow Palm to throw whatever HTC software they want on the device, they would still need to license it. Whether money was exchanged or not, it would still need to be licensed to keep HTC from coming back and suing them.
Even when Palm does finally get their new OS out the door, I think it's already a couple years too late - many developers have already dedicated themselves to iPhone OS X or Android. I'm awfully doubtful of Palm returning to the status they once had in the mobile market. =(
I have a 755p and it is horribly unreliable. Several times a week, the phone resets either mysteriously at random or when a call comes in. I'm on the third one after the first two suffered reset loop issues. I'm eligible for a replacement in September of 09. I refuse to get an ATT iPhone. But if Palm hasn't completely revamped their palm OS, I'll not get another treo either. The phone has to sync reliably with my mac, so it looks like my options are limited.
I've heard that a lot, but I've never, ever had a problem - either with my 650 (a Palm OS) or my 700wx (a WinMo device). After talking this over with my IT guy, I've become convinced that it's not the phone, it's what the carriers do to it.
Why do I say that? Two guys at my company - me and one other - have Treos on Sprint. Both are flawless. Most of the rest of the Treos at my place of business are on Verizon, and they are a disaster. Constant resets, all sorts of problems, nearly unusable. (Can't comment on AT&T or TMobile.) I think it has something to do with what Verizon does to the phones to cripple the features, etc. I mean, I really run my Treo hard, I've added extra apps to it, I've even added SPB Mobile Shell, and it's still absolutely perfect.
(Don't work for Sprint or Palm, FYI.)
I have an iPhone and it is horribly unreliable. Several times a week, the iPhone resets and freezes either mysteriously at random or when a call or SMS comes in. I'm on the third one after the first two suffered reset loop issues/stuck on Apple logo/NO SERVICE/NO 3G SERVICE/less than 12 hour battery life/LAGGY KEYBOARD/ADDRESS BOOK FREEZES/SLLLOOWWWW RESPONSIVENESS/HORRIBLE VOICE QUALITY. The other day, i slide to unlock hoping to use Safari and had to wait more than 20 secs for the usual lag, ok fine, i open Safari, type in a url and 5 secs later, it crashes back to home screen. I refuse to get another ATT iPhone. But if Apple hasn't completely revamped their iPhone OS, I'll not get another iWhatever either. The phone has to sync reliably with my mac seeing as iTunes is a piss-poor excuse for syncing, taking decades to sync movies/videos/music/apps and so forth, so it looks like my options are limited.
I have been experiencing the same issues with my iPhone. I too am on my third 3G unit. The other day the phone went wacky and turned on the iPod feature and started playing music during a mtg. I was quite unhappy. Anyhow, I think I'm, ready to send to toss it against a wall and get the BlackBerry Bold. At least their devices are reliable--I've never had an issue with them. I just hope I'll be able to sync my iTunes from my Mac onto the bold. Does anyone know if that will be a feature, or is it just for the Windows version of iTunes?
does anyone here really care about palm anymore?
the centro sucked a big one, i tried typing and i would hit 3 buttons at once, and im only 18, imagin someone who is older with bigger fingers? now this phone offeres the same OS.. joy? im sorry for ranting like this but does palm even care about their custermers anymore?
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/15/iphone-report-most-owners-left-treos-sidekicks-behind/
http://www.learnucd.com/kevlar/why-is-the-iphone-popular
http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/appstore/
You can't seem to type worth two fucks in a cat's ass on a regular keyboard either. Perhaps it's not the phone?
Jesus H. Christ, if I see ANOTHER post about how the App Store is a major selling point for the iFoan I am going to kill some one! What part of Palm OS, WinMo, BlackBerry OS, and even Nokia and Motorola phones have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of freeware applications availible dont you all get? THE APP STORE IS IN NO WAY REVOUTIONARY! The technology has been there for years, its called a phone with internet access and a credit card.(or if you wanna get technical, strait to your cell bill if you are using a Sidekick)
hryyy :D they whole anti- apple gustapo showed up! good for you,
apple FTW!! (as usual)
:)
I currently own a Treo 650 and my favorite part of the device is the operating system. Palm OS is by far the most stable and quickest OS I have used on a phone (yes, I have used an iPhone and WM 5/6). Sure, it is also the ugliest interface, but the instantaneous nature of loading apps make it worthwhile for me.
So my point is, why the fuck are they using Windows Mobile? Palm OS is the only good part of using a Palm phone! Anyone else agree this is a bit silly?
yep, I agree 100%.
I own a Treo700p and a partner has the 700wx. After setting up the 700wx, I thanked goodness that I had the 700p. windows mobile is "weak" and "clumsy" in my estimation.
I've been waiting awhile for the Pro, and you can imagine the disappointment to find it's only WM. Guess I'll wait for the next model.
Awful review. It basically says "Oh, the device looks cute but the software isn't flashy in an I-wanna-be-an-iPhone sense, therefor the device sucks, and that's it." Nothing is mentioned about the Phone applications or whether Palm still includes its own messaging program or they just went with the MS messaging program because now it has threaded SMS, or what other applications it includes installed or on CD. Does it include Sprite Backup on the CD like previous Treo? No, the author is just disappointed that Palm didn't want to imitate the iPhone like other Windows Mobile manufacturers are doing..
Also, about the screen resolution. this is not the form factor for an 800x400 screen resolution. I think Palm could've done better by using a 480x480 screen, but at least the 320x320 screen is an upgrade from the 240x240 screen of previous WM Treos.
bravo RCC2k8 my feelings exactly
So you're reviewing my review? That's pretty meta.
Awful review of the review. It basically says "Oh, the iPhone was mentioned, therefore it sucked, and that's it." Did you notice that the iPhone was brought up exactly once -- and only as a comparison of industrial design? There's a reason for that: people have a great sense of what the iPhone looks like (you included -- come on, it's okay to admit it).
I've got news for you: it breaks Josh's heart that Palm isn't stepping up its game here. Seriously, he loves Palm in a way you and I will never know. It's not our fault that the Treo Pro isn't the device it could (or should be) -- it's Palm's, and Palm's alone. Don't bring the iPhone into this on a feature level, because we certainly haven't.
To be fair, Engadget Mobile is more of a news site rather than a true phone review site.
There are many other places on the web I go to for things like in-depth techie reviews (e.g. Mobile Review, Mobile Burn, Phone Scoop, Mobile Tech Review), reviews of specific OSes (WMExperts, MoDaCo, All About Symbian, Palm Info Center) or for user experiences (Mobile Phones UK, Your Mobile Phone Reviews).
Engadget Mobile does what it does very well!
Wrong again, Chris. You did the very thing you accused RCC2k8 of doing. "... The software isn't flashy in an I-wanna-be-an-iPhone sense" was referring, I think, to HTC's Touch series, which IS nothing more than HTC's response to the iPhone, however good it, itself, may be.
If Palm spent time slicking up or masking WM you'd then slam them for not spending time on their (hideously overdue) OS. Pick one, please.
Josh,
This is not a very good review. You didn't mention anything about call quality, actual 3G data speeds, you mention it has a resistive touchscreen but make no mention as to it's speed/accuracy (which is wildly variable across phones and is quite important). How fast is the UI? What was the battery life like? (talktime, heavy data use, standby, multi-tasking. Did your test numbers match Palm's published numbers). What does the UI on the GPS application look like? Does it have any interesting features? Does it integrate search for business, etc? What about the picture quality of the camera? How about some test photos? Also, does it have any geo-tagging ability, since it has a GPS unit in it? A good cell phone review will test all the aforementioned items because they are important points that users care about. Also, a solid pros/cons list would be a great way to wrap it up.
Maybe Palm OS 2 can be flashed on the Palm Pro when it (Palm OS2) is released.
Really wish Palm would make this with the Android OS on it. At least offer it.
This read like a preview. Everything I read, I could have realized from looking at pictures of the device.
Battery life...call quality...internet speeds...sms program...anything?
I really have to agree that the review isn't great. You didn't really review much of the phone, you mostly spat back information I could guess from looking at the picture or get from skimming Palms page. You mention a lot of features but then don't go on to explain how they compare to similar phones.
I've had multiple smartphones. The best ones kept things simple and allowed for easy management of schedule, email, and simple document editing. Windows Mobile was for a while feature rich, but execution was horrible in terms of UI and stability (UTStarcom 4700, Treo 700w), really bad phone functionality, and IE is a travesty. Palm OS was preferred because it just worked, but it is very much long in the tooth -feels like MacOS 9.x, (had Treo 600, 650, 750p, Centro) -having just two fonts doesn't cut it anymore. Have iPhone now and love it and hate it. Love Safari, App store, iPod, phone quality. Initially hated the lack of keyboard but now finding that it's predictive technology (whatever they call it) gives me as much input speed as a dedicated thumb keyboard. Contacts (have over 2000) is slow to load, lack of good search, and no select/copy/paste is beyond belief. There you have it: WinMob sucks, Palm too old and rickety, and iPhone really in advanced beta (but love it).
The iPhone is not a smartphone, it is a media phone/device, therfore it does not qualify to be in an arguement over smartphone OS'.
christan hates that iphone is taking the lead in smartphone sales, people are leaving winmo for iphone and it has more functions than his computer
:-)
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/08/22/analyst-45m-iphones-in-2009/
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/08/26/winmo-mag-suspends-publication-will-publish-iphone-life/
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Reviews/Phones/S5X7P5X9
Why is the iPhone even in this discussion?!
Just make it runs Palm OS (let it be Palm OS II or heck, even if it's OS 5.4.9) and I'm sold.
I've been waiting for a "new" Palm OS treo for ages since my 650. sigh...
Seriously?! There have been many Palm OS phones that have been relased. The 700 series, the Centro, etc.....
@chocolateman, please let your comment have been sarcastic....
@chocolateman85006
But none of them can response as fast as my old 650 and none of their battery can last as long as my old 650.
But treo pro comes with 1500mAh battery which is closer to 650's 1800mAh battery.
The whole WinMo vs. Palm OS vs iPhone argument is comical to me. You can talk all you want about the new Palm OS, but until it comes out all you can compare is the current OS. And while it is very stable it is also terribly limited in what it can do. And that works for some people who just want a phone, calendar, email and a few other functions. The iPhone is not even a business or enterprise device. While it is a great phone, it is marketed towards a less mature audience than the Blackberries, WinMo and Palm PDAs. And regarding WinMo 6, it isn't for everyone. It takes a lot of care and feeding and you have to be fairly tech savvy to operate it well. But no Palm OS device, iPhone or Blackberry can hold a candle to the functionality I get out of my WM6 Treo 750. I have 3G connection, great keyboard, more than a dozen apps instantly launching from a click, double-click, triple click, long press, great video and music player, great internet browsing, Bluetooth connectivity to wireless headphones and handsfree in my car, voice recorder, 8GB SD card, GPS, slingbox mobile, push email, POP3 email and hundreds of software apps to choose from. Because I have bothered to learn the intricacies of my phone and OS, my device dwarfs the functionality of my Blackberry, Palm and iPhone co-workers here at Cingular/ATT. I am looking forward to the Pro immensely.
I'd have to agree with a few people here. This is much more of a preview than a review. To be honest, there are previews out there that gave more information than this "review". Hopefully, we see more detailed and concise reviews in the future...
Personally I can hardly remember the last time I was this excited about a Palm smartphone. Although the company still has much work to do there is no doubt that this is the first major leap forward in years and hopefully a very good indication of more better things to come. Overall the Treo Pro is so good in fact that I will most likely even be making the full jump to Windows Mobile (at least until Palm release their new NOVA OS devices next year).
Cheers, A.
I've said this on several forums and I'll say it here: THere IS No PAlm OS 2.0. Not gonna happen. They can't do it. The script will go like this:
1. Announce delays. Already happened. No surprise there.
2. Announce new players in the software division. Some will leave, others will come in to "get the project on track."
3. Announce a major shakeup in the Software Division. Head of division falls on sword and resigns.
4. Announce new, greater delays.
5. Admit the project is dead. No new OS.
5a. Say, 'It's all right, we have Windows Mobile!"
What they should do is admit the brain drain has killed their chances of Palm OS 2.0 and get on with Android. The real talented software engineers left Palm YEARS ago. They either downloaded their iPhone SDK or went to work for RIM. So everybody say this with me: "THERE WILL BE NO PALM OS 2.0".
I had a dream last night that I bought this phone, and I also bought a Centro Slider which doesn't exist, but it was sure nice! It was very fast and nice and easy to use. Woke up, and I still had my clunky ol' TyTN. :(
I can't beleive this thing has a 3.5mm HEADPHONE JACK! Awesome!
Palm can go suck off somewhere, they've screwed me and my brother out of the last penny they will ever see from us. That Treo 680 was the worst piece of crap I ever had the misfortune of buying. It was so unbelievably crappy that a former Treo 600 lover and loyal palm user turned against them. And that's because the thing was clear evidence the company wanted to screw a quick buck from the public.
Take a flying leap, Palm, you POS.
Remember, there's a distinct difference between Windows' OS and Palm's OS.
Very true but if the money goes to Palm, I'm against it immediately. I despise a company, or anyone, who wants to screw a quick buck out of the public. That kind of attitude is a worthless, self important, arrogant attitude that say, "I can do what I want to the public and they'll continue to support me".
You PO Dog S, Palm, you aren't going to do that to at least twp people and get away with it. When the company goes under, me and my brother are going to throw a celebration party. What's so bad is I talked my brother into spending the $400 for a 680 and I was made to look like a POS by Palm. He couldn't even pawn the damn thing off on his son because his son couldn't get it to work reliably...just like mine.
I like my Treo 750 with at&t. I'd love to see this phone branded by them someday.
I completely agree with schoolhouserock and Chris. This was more of a "why I don't like the phone" rather than a review. Many people will like this phone and Palms approach becuase of past experience with bloatware and the fact that it does have a lot of function buttons, making it totally customizable. The touch diamond and the iphone are not always what a user wants. They have hardly any buttons and while that 's the current trend for new smart phones, I personally hate it. And I for one, just like a simple WM6 device without all the extra crap. Add 400Mhz proc, 128Megs of RAM and 256Megs of ROM without bloatware, WM6.1 should run fine, and you can pretty much do anything you want with this phone. Just add a good browser like opera 9.5 or mini and whatever custom programs you use and your set. It is for the tech savvy business user but like Chris said(excellent examples by the way), the functionalty will trump most other phones. If I liked full querty phones with square screens, I would definietly buy this phone and pimp it the way I wanted it. But I guess I'd have to look for other reviews because this one sucked!
Also, I have nothing against the iphone (especailly since I work for AT&T...last I checked anyway) but it's not for everyone. I happy for the sucess of the phone and it makes sense to market to a group of non techies who just want a cool phone. The problem is, don't compare every phone that comes out to an iphone. I for one hate phones with no buttons at all. I DON"T WANT A TOUCH ONLY DEVICE! Now get over it already with these narrow minded reviews! [end rant]