John McCain, inventor of the BlackBerry
By Nilay Patel 
posted Sep 16th 2008 2:09PM
posted Sep 16th 2008 2:09PM
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Hey, if Al Gore has the Internet, why not?
Obama's campaign rips on McCain for not being able to use a computer, but the guy uses or has other people use the technology for him.
He'd would probably use computers/technologies himself if he didn't have painful arthritis in his hands stemming from injuries sustained while he was a prisoner of war.
Low blow from the Obama campaign.
Sustained as a prisoner or crashing planes?
There were a few POWs who lived in my neighborhood when I grew up. They don't use computers now, either, because of arthritis. They also yell "GET OFF MY LAWN!" and would be a terrible President. Guess I don't have to doubt McCain being a POW - he is pretty damn similar to my old neighbors.
"Doesn't know how to use a computer" !? I guess he can always call India for tech support, or how to run the economy.
Remember folks, he's the America's war hero like Randy 'the Duke' Cunningham! He was a P.O.W. for your sins!
Ken @ Sep 16th 2008 2:40PM
Sustained as a prisoner or crashing planes?
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his injuries never healed properly because he was a prisoner of war .. wasn't like they put him in a hospital and set his broken bones.
NakedOldGuy @ Sep 16th 2008 2:44PM
There were a few POWs who lived in my neighborhood when I grew up. They don't use computers now, either, because of arthritis. They also yell "GET OFF MY LAWN!" and would be a terrible President. Guess I don't have to doubt McCain being a POW - he is pretty damn similar to my old neighbors.
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similar because he's old? what's your point ... old people suck?
Absolutely.
Yes, the adviser is an idiot for not phrasing it more carefully than that, but an adviser saying it is different from Gore's own deliberate lie.
But once Obama, through his campaign mouthpiece Rhodes, started accusing Palin of pedophilia, all bets were off on the truth.
When even the Atlantic Monthly is working for Obama, nothing Obama says has any credibility, so why hold McCain-Palin to a double standard?
And by extension, America's so-called journalists are going to have to pay for this when the election's over, no matter what the outcome. They are all fair game now.
That's all stupid medias. Sometime they even say that that and that stars make such and such think and its was never happen - its normal here, in USA:-) That's how they make money.
"He'd would probably use computers/technologies himself if he didn't have painful arthritis in his hands stemming from injuries sustained while he was a prisoner of war."
A friend of mine works for a company that sets up disabled (truly disabled, not arthritis) to use computers. They have a lot of technologies including one that tracks your eye movements and moves the cursor accordingly. You are going to tell me this guy can't use a computer due to arthritis? No, he can't use a computer because he is old, and like a great number of old people, technophobic.
2Old2Bprez...
So Engadget, since you now want to try your hand at political reporting, will you actually post McCain's response when he heard about what was said?
"Meanwhile, McCain senior aide Matt McDonald said that the senator “laughed” when he heard the comment.
“He would not claim to be the inventor of anything, much less the BlackBerry. This was obviously a boneheaded joke by a staffer,” McDonald said"
Oh btw here is the actual quote from the spoksperson:
"“Telecommunications of the United States, the premiere innovation in the past 15 years, comes right through the Commerce Committee. So you’re looking at the miracle that John McCain helped create,” said Holtz-Eakin. “And that’s what he did. He both regulated and de-regulated the industry.”"
LMFAO! Juan McSame (the most dangerous Panamanian since Manuel Noriega) doesn’t even know how to use email or the “inter tubes”. Yea, go ahead and vote for this dangerous SOB and his cohort (Sarah “Ludite” Palin). Just make sure you don’t whine when he implements the draft and come a knocking at your door, because we will need bodies to continue in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus fight new wars in Iran, Syria, Pakistan and keeping those pesky Russians out of Georgia. Welcome to a McSame administration. Now stop whining DROP AND GIVE ME TWENTY, YOU’RE IN THE ARMY NOW S-U-C-K-E-R-S!!!
Because he's old? Thats not true, my grandparents used to email all the time before they passed away... and they were OLD.
He doesn't use a computer because he doesn't KNOW HOW, just like how he doesn't know how to run an honest campaign. See? Simple! :-)
I am not an american and I don't support either side, but I think McCain's campaign has had more low-blows than Obama's. Seriously... It really irritates me that someone who's running for president has only been accusing Obama of various things to win the election.
@Knives_Out:
"NakedOldGuy @ Sep 16th 2008 2:44PM
There were a few POWs who lived in my neighborhood when I grew up. They don't use computers now, either, because of arthritis. They also yell "GET OFF MY LAWN!" and would be a terrible President. Guess I don't have to doubt McCain being a POW - he is pretty damn similar to my old neighbors.
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similar because he's old? what's your point ... old people suck?"
So, by your logic, he is qualified because he was a pow? Straw-man arguing.
@Knives_Out:
As a veteran myself, I say this: McCain is a scumbag. He can't use the internet because he's too stupid to figure it out. Why can amputies from this war use a computer and not McCain who would only have arthritis? I even know parapalegics (with service related injuries) that can drive...with specially outfitted cars. They don't complain and make excuses.
"doesn’t even know how to use email or the “inter tubes”.
Ignoring the rest of Frankendumbasses post, the reason McCain cant type is because of injuries from Vietnam that prevent him from raising his hands above his head or even tying his own shoes.
His 2000 run was praised by democrats for being the first to actually utilize the internet to such a great extent that it was later adopted by Howard Dean And Obama.
If some of you actually read a real news source (i.e. not the Daily Show), you would have known this.
But hey, uniformed pricks, think they really have something on McCain, so I doubt their loony toon brains would even allow themselves to comprehend what I just worte.
Stephen Hawkings can use a computer, and I don't hear him complaining about arthritis.
Gore never said he invented the internet, what he said was he was taking the initiative to create the Internet through technological and educational policies. He later was mocked for claiming to have invented the Internet, although he never made such a claim.
All of you people (taking extreme sides in this election) make me sick.
Saying that this is a double standard blah blah blah, obama cant be trusted either blah blah blah. I as an american can honestly call this election a joke. Its been like this from day one. At the very least i can say Obama has maintained a some what honest appearance, hell, even maccain hasnt been all out mad, but the campaign ads and the commercials and the speeches on both sides filled with lies after lies (obama's gonna raise your taxes, mccain hates technology) are really just a turn off for voters like me.
... why did you guys get me started... this is supposed to be a tech blog damnit! Wheres my Touch Pro update and iFans when i need them!?!?
@fred.
You actually make sense when you're not bashing apple...
+1
To Knives_Out
Those "injuries sustained" are also supposed to prevent him from lifting his hands above his shoulders. Alas! The picture on Engadget's Front page! Mine eyes!!!
Politics aside, FUCK ENGADGET!
Speaking of idiots, attention all idiots who think Al Gore said he invented the internet:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
Read it and weep.
I dont believe he has arthritis directly as a result of being a prisoner of war. I dont think attacking him for lack of technical knowledge could be considered un-patriotic in anyway, despite what the Republican Attack machine may want you to think.
@Ben. Since you don't believe it it must not be true! Except, it is.
Some of you people are complete idiots. If you do not know or understand that the government helps to create INDUSTRIES and COMPANIES by deregulation as McCain supported (in this case telecommunications), you don't deserve to vote for either candidate. McCain's adviser said he "helped create." And technically this is true but can also apply that to other office holders who support deregulation which in turns create innovations, companies, jobs, etc.
Are you freaking kidding me Zak, nice find course it means I don't think I can ever trust snoopes for dipelling internet myths ever again. Just look at all of the quote and then the part where he actually says he took the intiative in creating the internet. WTH you have to be a complete moron to look at that and say he never said anything that could be construed as staking claim to inventing the internet. If I told you I took the initiative in creating anything would it not be a logical assumption to think I was claming it as my creation?
Painful arthritis my ass.. McCain is older than my grandpa. He doesn't even know how to use a web browser...
The issue Snopes focuses on is "creating" vs. "inventing"; it's true he never claimed to have invented it in the sense of knowing a TCP packet from his posterior, but he did claim to have taken initiative in creating it, in the sense of voting for a bill spending taxpayer money to hire someon to invent it.
Since TCP (which included what became IP) was published in '74, he's still lying. He helped promote it's growth after it was created, but he didn't have a hand in the creation.
@ Michael: Gore was referring to the internet as we know it. How many of you knew about TCP in 1987? If you say you did, you're a liar.
@ Benson: You're also a hypocrite for having the gall to mention TCP without mentioning that the inventor of TCP unequivocally backed Gore's statement.
So let's see what a few people who actually did have a hand at creating what we know as the internet have to say about Gore's statement:
Vincent Cerf, generally regarded as the father of the internet: "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator."
Robert Kahn: The man who INVENTED TCP: As the two people (Kahn and Cerf) who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time. No one in public life has been more intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving Internet than the Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this effort, both in the councils of government and with the public at large."
Marc Andreessen, creator of the Mosiac Web Browser: "He had people buying into the concept of the information superhighway before anybody had an idea about what it would be."
Joseph Traub, pioneering computer sciences professor and founder of CSTB (if you don't know what CSTB is, look it up instead of regurgitating blather from your fellow lemmings): "[Gore] was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?"
I'll leave it at Traub's final sentiment.
@ Ben.. Yes, he did not say that he invented the internet. That in itself is false. What he did say is "I took the initiative in creating the Internet.". His contribution was helping to pass leglisation that standardized one of the protocals used. He helped in the creation of the internet, but he did not take the initative in creating the internet.
It always surprises and frightens me just how superficial (not to mention nonsensical) the arguments and campaigning for the US presidential election can be.
It doesn't so much surprise me as it saddens me that the American electorate has reduced itself to getting its politics from bumper stickers and sound-bites. Politics here are nothing more than a beauty pageant.
What surprises me is when I travel overseas and I see how much more informed foreigners are about American politics than most Americans are. Somewhere in the mid 80s, the American electorate just became disengaged,
"what are you wearing......"
nothin........ or am i
Never thought I'd say this about a dude, but he looks TERRIBLE without makeup.
I was thinking if his suit is made in Italy?
a regular, ill-fitting, conservative, american business suit; c'mon McCain cant afford a tailor and some suspenders to hide his old-man gut?
Defeating Canadian fundamentalism is the transcendent issue of our times.
I nominate this "Best Comment"!!!
Russ
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Defeating fundamentalism just north of Canada is a more pressing issue at this time.
For the last time, Ron, Santa Claus is not a threat.
Its not Santa Clause i am worried about, its the Bear.......
you guys just made my day :-)
Their PR campaign has obviously blinded you all - please, cease your misinformation. It's not the Bear, Alaska, or some jolly guy in red, it's the penguins!
If Al Gore invented the Internet, and McCain invented Crackberrys ('berries?), then what did Ross Perot create?
Their PR campaign has obviously blinded you all - please, cease your misinformation. It's not the Bear, Alaska, or some jolly guy in red, it's the penguins!
If Al Gore invented the Internet, and McCain invented Crackberrys ('berries?), then what did Ross Perot create?
puhsitch, I killed the Santa Claus project. I said "Thanks, but no thanks!"
Yes... It's aboot time...
Senior McCain aide Matt McDonald said that the senator "laughed" when he heard the comment about the BlackBerry.
"He would not claim to be the inventor of anything, much less the BlackBerry. This was obviously a boneheaded joke by a staffer," McDonald said.
Nah, it wasn't a joke - it was an attempt to redirect attention away from the words about McCain not knowing how to use a computer.
Did you actually follow up and research something with political tones without jumping to a conclusion?
Weird.
It must be a full moon tonight, or something...
I thought people said he couldn't even do emails or the web? So he 'invented' the Blackberry an email/phone/net device? WTF? Someone has been drinking...
it was a mis-statement; he actually invented the Raspberry......blllllllllppppp
Let's not knock this guy, he was shot down 4 times in the same war. On the fifth occasion the Vietnamese decided that McCain had done his bit, destroying 5 planes, and retired him.
Some say this was incompetence, some say he was just a terrible pilot. Either way, he should make a better President than Bush.
he can't do emails because he can't type from the injuries he suffered in war. he has an aid that sends emails for him. that ad by obama was inacurate, offensive, and a new low in politics.
Considering McCain's "advisors" have been feeding him constant lies to spew out, I'll give Obama a few passes.
I agree, I've heard that his injuries may have a significant impact on his computer abilities, but then how does he hit the correct numbers on his BB? Those are some tiny numbers.
Didja know that if you go to http://www.bullshitexpress.com that it takes you to McCain's website?!
@kccboy2004:
...not to get too far off of topic but, McCain is full of @#$@# and this comment by his staff just proves it. I served as an infantryman in the 82nd Airborne (1/325 AIR) and it just means that I did my part.
Actually, most veterans hate McCain. One of the most decorated veterans in history (10 Silver Stars, 2 Distinguised Crosses, 78 total combat awards - Col. David Hackworth) even pointed out the inaccuracies of his claims and his friend Bud Day (which was approved the Medal of Honor by McCain's dad bypassing the primary requirement of having witnesses to the brave act - he received it for wandering in the woods by himself). Remember, his dad and grandfather were Admirals...one of which controlled the Pacific fleet. The Vietnamese knew this and he was a high value target. He actually got the same medical treatment as the NVA soldiers while the rest of the POW's were left to die. He was the NVA's primary bargaining chip at that time... When he got back, he told all of the POW groups to go F themselves and forget about their lost ones. I wonder why he didn't want to find any witnesses...
McCain actually divorced his first wife after coming back and seeing her crippled by an accident while he was a POW. A week after his divorce, he married his current wife. His new father-in-law gave him the clout to get his foot in the door to politics.
Anyways, McCain is full of crap and a lying opportunist...
"Actually, most veterans hate McCain."
And you took the time to call them all up, ask them of their opinion, and tallied the results?
Nah, didnt think so.
@Fred:
I go to the VA hospital right outside of Chicago (Hines VA) and everyone that I've talked to HATES McCain...with a passion. I've also talked about it with my personal friends. Add in the guys that I meet through various veteran functions and the majority hate McCain.
So, my point still stands. Most veterans hate McCain.
"I go to the VA hospital right outside of Chicago (Hines VA) and everyone that I've talked to HATES McCain...with a passion."
And I will REPEAT MYSELF since you obviously didnt read what I wrote:
"And you took the time to call them all up, ask them of their opinion, and tallied the results?
Nah, didnt think so."
@fred
Veterans hate him because he doesn't support senate bills that help vets. That's why those people were yelling during his convention speech and had to be dragged out.
@fred:
Since opinion polls are carried out by taking a diversified SEGMENT of the population then my informal opinion poll is just as valid as any study. Straw polls, etc. all use the same method that I used. By your frame of thought, the current polls showing candidate's standings are invalid, tv ratings are non-existent and presidential approval ratings are made-up.
D.L. is right. McCain doesn't support veteran benefits because he feels that it gives less reason for people to stay in. He also plans to privatize veteran's care, if elected. I'm not sure if you've ever tried to get anything approved by the government but, us veterans know what that's like. ...it's not pretty and if someone isn't married to a beer fortune heiress, they'd have a rough life trying to get treatment.
You haven't seen the veterans' group embarass McCain with questions, have you? He's a consumate ass and tries to be confrontational and lies about his voting record (even though they present him with exact votes with dates and bills).
I repeat myself again too... Most veterans HATE McCain.
And Microsoft makes good ads......and good products..........
and people care what ericdano has to say
It's the new "Al Gore invented the internet"... at least McCain himself didn't say it.
Gore never said he invented the internet, what he said was he was taking the initiative to create the Internet through technological and educational policies. He later was mocked for claiming to have invented the Internet, although he never made such a claim.
I don't know where foodgoes but I see utter bullc rap in what you just wrote.
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
Those were Al gores wordsl. You can spread all the disinformation you want but that right there was Al's personal claim. The next part of the quote concerns the next topic his educational and environmental support.
"I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."
Thats a huge gaf, now you could argue that's not what he meant and only he truely knows but the fact is he did say it. This comment about the blackberry was made by someone who worked on the McCain campain not McCain himself so it's apples and oranges. Speaking of which what the hell is this crap doing on a tech blog do I need to start reading that gizmo site now for my politics free technology fix.
Oh come on, just because giz is posting politics crap doesn't mean you guys have to copy them. Please delete this post and replace it with one about bacon. kthxbai
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You people suck, bacon beats everything.
Anyone who has been following his campaign knows that he is a joke. His politics bring the same crap we had to deal with for the last 8 years. He is already clogging the "Series of Tubes" with his negative ads.
Looks like someone has been reading the Dem-o-crat talking points a bit too much and drinking way too much of the BO punch.
WRONG
anyone who is unbiased, intelligent and educated is smart enough to see through him.
Keep in mind, "conservative media" such as Faux news and conservative radio is targeted at uneducated hicks sitting in their underwear with a beer.
Our banking systems are falling apart and the Fed is bailing them out one by one using OUR TAX DOLLARS. Yet, these idiots would rather vote AGAINST a Black man who hasn't been in Washington long enough to become just another white collar criminal.
VOTING AGAINST people...and not VOTING FOR IDEALS is what's gotten America in this mess.
I love the idiots who shout the words "socialist and liberal" most of all. Next time some STUPID F___ says that, PIN HIM DOWN and demand he answer what those words mean. I do it all the time. NO ONE CAN GIVE AN ANSWER. Yet they repet the words like goddamned parrots.
Yes, because the other guy is going to bring change as well... I love how people believe politicians. You would think that after all the lies we've been told from Republicans, Democrats and Independents, someone would refrain from blindly following another grab at party power? Every time I hear "For the Country" from either side, I feel like they are saying "For the Party" instead. It's all about power and nothing about "WE THE PEOPLE"... (And this is coming from a Republican...)
Low-ranking because getting into political debate on a gadget site is just a dumb idea, especially with such an over-simplified statement.
And no, I'm not saying this because I favour one party or the other...I'm Canadian and we have our own federal election to worry about right now.
Series of tubes? i thought it was a big truck...
flash, I bet you still think that the "hockey stick" points to doom, the best way to stop the domestic "energy crisis" is to curtail domestic drilling and enact a "windfall" profits tax and that the "recession" is due to the greed of Big Banks, not consumer irresponsibility.
I really can't wait for the brilliant talking point responses.
Flash,
Socialist and the thoughts of socialism refers to a set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods in a community/country. Mot liberals today subscribe to this theory of “what is yours is mine and mine is mine” thought and income redistribution. Liberals today normally practice social progressivism where they think everyone has a “right” to everything.
Now that said, I can see how a leftist would immediately assume that from a single statement someone was a right wingnut conservative and not voting because of racism. When in fact nobody injected any comment about his race or policies into the discussion until said leftist made said assumption.
It is obvious that the title of this article was made to detract from McCain who had no part in the original statements made. Partisan twist of stories, exist on all fronts in the media both for a and against both parties. When it comes down to it I agree with mr Ken Blackwell who wrote a piece on the 11th about some explaining Mr BO has to do. http://townhall.com/columnists/KenBlackwell/2008/09/11/words_obama_will_regret
In addition current news of mr BO trying to keep troops in harms way until after the election so that he could gain politically is disturbing to say the least.
Until such a time MrBO address these in a clear and complete way he has no business being commander and chief.
Killer @ Sep 16th 2008 2:36PM
Yes, because the other guy is going to bring change as well... I love how people believe politicians. You would think that after all the lies we've been told from Republicans, Democrats and Independents, someone would refrain from blindly following another grab at party power? Every time I hear "For the Country" from either side, I feel like they are saying "For the Party" instead. It's all about power and nothing about "WE THE PEOPLE"... (And this is coming from a Republican...)
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I totally understand. If any of you have lived in Chicago you would know that Obama endorsed Todd Stroger, a product of nepotism and all around idiot, for president of cook county. This is is coming from a man who proposes "change" ... what a joke.
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@flash---what on the earth are you talking about...the President doesn't have enough pull to sway the economy. Let me guess, you are all about income re-distribution too. Get a life, you are probably a broke fool who wants a governement handout with no regard for what those hand outs mean.
I am neither Democrap or Republicrap. But lets be honest here, they both suck and one is just considered as being hip and cool but doesn't have anything to really say. He lies as much if not more than McCain.
His plans don't make sense and frankly, I don't want to pay more taxes because of a bunch of slackers that can't make stuff happen for themselves.
The economy will fix itself, if anyone read an economic book or took a class, you'd know that even the economy is cyclical, we have great times followed by rough times, if we didn't have rough times then we could never gauge a good time.
And while we are at it, for those of you that don't know, the presidency has nothing to do with the mortgage crisis, banks offering loans to dumb people was to blame there.
Anyone who follows politics is a joke...
"Anyone who has been following his campaign knows that he is a joke. His politics bring the same crap we had to deal with for the last 8 years. He is already clogging the "Series of Tubes" with his negative ads."
I don't know about that, but anyone who picks a running mate like his does NOT deserve to be president. Has anyone even listened to what she says? Because of Russia not respecting their borders, she wants to go to war with them!
I mean, come on, we were scared that Iraq might have WMDs, but we KNOW Russia does. How stupid can she be?
Oh, and she is against abortion- even if it is a rape baby.
"I don't know about that, but anyone who picks a running mate like his does NOT deserve to be president. Has anyone even listened to what she says? Because of Russia not respecting their borders, she wants to go to war with them!"
You mean like the guy who's running mate plagiarized speeches, and made racist statements about Indian-Americans?
And you fucking liar. Palin was asked if Georgia was part of NATO, would we be obligated to come to their defense if Russia invaded.
and you know what the god damn answer is???? YES YOU FUCKING IDIOT! THAT'S WHAT THE NORTH ATLANTIC TREATY ORGANIZATION IS FUCKING FOR!
How in the hell did you get "oooooh she wants a war with Russia" from that?
Sonny -
Don't ask them to read.
They can only watch Youtube and The Daily Show.
And occasionally "An Inconvenient Truth" for good measure.
@flashpoint
and liberal media is aimed at stupid sheep who can't or won't think for themselves.
I'm nearly convinced that most people who have a real job, responsibilities, and a family will vote McCain.
Celebrities, kids under 30, welfare leeches flock towards Obama.
@ fred
"GOV. SARAH PALIN WARNS WAR MAY BE NECESSARY IF RUSSIA INVADES ANOTHER COUNTRY.''
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/sarah_palin_war_if_russia_inva.html
Don't call me a liar.
"GOV. SARAH PALIN WARNS WAR MAY BE NECESSARY IF RUSSIA INVADES ANOTHER COUNTRY.''
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/sarah_palin_war_if_russia_inva.html
Don't call me a liar.
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What's your point "who?" ?
... if a NATO country is attacked, the other members are under obligation to defend it, which may or may not include "war". What's so shocking about that?
@Knives_Out
Nothing, it's just that fred said she didn't say that, and called me a liar. Just clearing my name, move along, nothing to see here.
@Knives_Out:
"I'm nearly convinced that most people who have a real job, responsibilities, and a family will vote McCain.
Celebrities, kids under 30, welfare leeches flock towards Obama."
Guess what? I'm a white investor that served in the military who drives a Mercedes and lives in an upscale suburb...and I'm voting for OBAMA. Most of my associates and friends are voting for Obama also.
@ PynkFloydd
Guess what? I'm a white investor that served in the military who drives a Mercedes and lives in an upscale suburb...and I'm voting for OBAMA. Most of my associates and friends are voting for Obama also.
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ah yes .. a typical liberal yuppie, I forgot about them.
@Knives_Out:
Ha! I was raised on the southwest side of Chicago on the edge of West Englewood (47th/Wood). We were dirt broke, trust me...I'm no yuppie. ...and we NEVER took a government handout. When I went into the military, I took the hardest, most physically demanding job that there was (airborne infantry). I made myself what I am today through hard work.
I don't understand what this magical demographic that keeps changing when you try and prove your point is...
@ jorvay
RMR is gonna have soo much fun with the canadian elections, i don't even want to bother with the americans. its so simple anyway. theres only 2 parties. in canada we have, like, 5 major ones, and then ones like the rhinoceros party where pot smoking is mandatory and they will pave over the whole province of saskatchewan to make the worlds largest parking lot
@PynkFloydd
You're a Chicago guy eh? Then like myself, you must know how deeply entrenched Obama is in Chicago politics.
.... rubbing shoulders and endorsing incompetent fools like Todd Stroger
.... partnering with politically connected churches, aka con-man & blackmailer "Rev" James Meeks
.... having a nice little connection with scum like Tony Rezko.
.... bending over for the Daley machine (watch Obama shuffle Federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald out of his office, on behalf of Daley)
yea .. Obama is all for change.
@Knives_Out:
You do know Illinois is comprised of more than Chicago, right? You also know that Obama is the Senator of IL, not the Mayor of Chicago...right? You also know that Obama has to associate with those people because he is the Senator of IL, right?
If you're going to bring up those aquaintances, it's only fair to bring up that Obama gets economic guidance from Warren Buffet, the Google Guys and the head of Citigroup. As an investor, I'd trust Warren Buffet with my money any day.
Since we're on the subject...you also know that Palin is one of those crazies that speaks in tongues in church and believes that "having the spirit" is better than a doctor...right? I've been abducted by those people on Fort Bragg (they stalk new soldiers with promises of home cooked meals)...I don't want anything to do with someone like that. They're crazy...seriously whacked in the head.
...and McCain has serious ties to special interest groups and lobbyists.
We could play this game all day. McCain might have similar views as yourself but, Obama is better for the future of America and the economy. I know that you're a hypocrite that only uses McCain traits that support your arguements when it's convenient. Earlier you used McCain's military service to attack Obama but, you attack me for supporting Obama and call me a yuppie even though I have served this country in a much tougher MOS than McCain. Since you haven't served this country, you have no qualifications to critique McCain's service nor mine.
I have a little experience with foreign policy and economics... I've been sent to foreign countries where governments have deregulated economies and gave big breaks to the rich and powerful. We were there to stop the civil wars going on. McCain would cripple this country.
Talk about taking a comment out of text. Once you read the story you find out that McCain didn’t say squat about creating Blackberry, and his aid referenced his Blackberry in regards to the boom in telecommunications in the US on which McCain was on the Senate Commerce Committee for. This is a whole lot about nothing.
"Mr. McCain also said Congress, “under my guiding hand,” adopted wireless policies that “spurred the rapid rise of mobile phones and WiFi technology.”"
At least Belexus isn't spouting off comments that haven't been researched or anything.
Thank you, Belexus, for not allowing me to lose my faith in humanity
God Damnd no edit button
That quote was from the NYT story on where each candidate stands on science and tech.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/science/16science.html?_r=2&ref=technology&oref=slogin&oref=slogin