You're bad at reading, aren't you? I mean for one thing, "It just works" was an ad campaign for the Mac, not the iPhone, and that was years and years ago. Second, it's not broken. It goes to sleep to conserve power, so it's actually doing exactly what it's supposed to.
There, now you're not ignorant any more. Want to try again?
@Zak Actually, as much as I hate the flamebait parent, you are incorrect. Even if this is an intentional feature (which by the poll indicates something is broken with 50% of surveyees) it doesn't change the fact that it has broken a standard feature that a LOT of us rely on day-to-day.
Give it up. I love apple as much as the next guy, but perpetuating the "fanboy" meme, only harms innovation.
I'm sorry, what part of "it's doing exactly what it's supposed to" don't you understand? The key to understanding this argument is understanding the meaning of the word "broken". Nothing is broken, because the feature is doing exactly what it's supposed to. It's a power saving measure. To "un-break" this, it would then have to break the power saving routine. You see how it works now?
You people make it seem like Apple had no idea this was going to happen, or is some unintended side effect. Really? Are you that naive? Yes, putting it to sleep prevents it from receiving email. It also saves battery life, which is why it was implemented. Calling it "broken" is ignorant, and it mis-identifies the issue.
So, how about Apple just stops all incoming calls and sms's, you know, to conserve power. Because email can be just as important, if not more important to many people as receiving a phone call. All this proves is that Apple is still a little league smartphone maker, trying to hang with the big leagues. If the phone can go to sleep and still receive other types of incoming communications, then that means that Apple f'ed up and didn't program their email's ability to push while in low power mode.
@Zak. Okay, i'll bite. You're an idiot, Zak. The feature is fetch email (that gives you a choice between 15 minutes, 30 minutes, or an hour.)
It is not currently working as advertised, thus not fetching emails reliably under these specific conditions. It occasionally works, then it stops working sporadically.
The feature isn't doing what it states, thus, broken..
Gee, I don't know. Did Apple stop all incoming calls and SMSes? Oh look, no they didn't. What was your point again? Oh, right: "blah blah blah little league blah blah".
Because selling over 10 million units of a single model of phone in a single year is "little league". Riiiight.
"This Apple discussion thread chronicles the problem at length. It's possible it'll be fixed in the next update—a reader tells us that Apple confirmed it's a "known problem" and that they are looking into it, but in the meantime, don't lean too hard on fetch."
It is broken you douchebag. An intentional break is still a break.
Blackberrys have no problem fetching your email while still staying in sleep mode. Can you guess why?
Thats right. Blackberry knows how to make their shit work. Sure they didnt make it all pretty like the iPhone (until now), but when you need to get shit done, you get a device that gets shit done.
Zak is the single and sole reason why Apple puts out such buggy shit. The thing could spaz out and erase everything on the phone and dipshits like Zak would flock to their rescue, because god forbid Apple be criticized for putting out shit. Asshats like you are the reason I'm getting the hell off Apple next month. They put out HIGHLY buggy crap and I'm certain internally they shrug and go oh well we'll fix it later. Because they know there are enough fanboi zealots out there who will buy it no matter what. So they never lear anything and repeat the cycle. Congratulations zealots. You've turned Apple into something WORSE then Microsoft ever was.
You people disgust me to the very core of my soul. Grow a brain, and think for yourself for once instead of towing the corporate line of we are Apple.
Jon Doe: Speaking of growing a brain, when are you going to start thinking for yourself instead of letting me do it for you? I'm the reason you're going to stop using Apple products? Really? That is the worst reason I've ever heard. I don't see how you're going to get very far in life when you let internet strangers make your decisions for you.
Daniel: Sporadiacally? You're obviously not paying attention. It works when the phone is not sleeping, and it stops working when the phone goes to sleep. Since the sleep is a specific time interval, how is that "sporadic"? Do you even know what that word means? And since this is a change that Apple made intentionally, knowing specifically what the consequences were, calling it "broken" is a misnomer. Are you still unclear on that point? By the way, the name calling is real classy. Good job with that.
Speaking of name calling, you never learn, do you Ruben? Of course it's a "known problem", they knew it was going to happen when they implemented the change. And I'm guessing Blackberries can do it because they have shorter battery life than the iPhone. Oh, you hadn't heard? Yeah, the iPhone 3G has the best battery life of any 3G enabled phone on the market. Period. Yeah, battery life, remember that? The reason for making this change in the first place? It's all coming together for you now, isn't it?
As far as getting shit done, my iPhone gets shit done just fine, thanks. That's why I use it every day. If it didn't work, I wouldn't be using it. Funny how that works, huh?
Well boys it's been fun but you're going to have to do better than that. Remember, these things are always easier for me because I have the facts on my side, and you're just a bunch of Apple-hating reactionaries.
Jeez, you really are the archetypal fanboy, huh? Before you start throwing faeces my way, I own a MacBook and an iPhone 3G (and before that the original iPhone), and I love them both, but that doesn't stop me being pissed off at this.
Nowhere in the settings does it say "Fetch my email every 15 minutes BUT...", it doesn't say "Conserve power by breaking essential functionality", it doesn't say "WE ARE APPLE YOU WILL LOVE US". I paid a lot of money for the damn thing, I want them to not break really basic functionality like this. It's not fucking cool.
Oh, and please stop making out that they knew what they were doing. Saying "it's a known problem" doesn't mean it was intentional - it means that it broke, someone reported it, and that error report was verified by someone at Apple. Not that it's a 'feature' (seriously, could you possibly be any more blinkered if you tried?).
@Zak: You are right when you say this is a design decision and not 'broken', but look at the iPhone's behavior vs. other smart phones in the market. Apple seems to be in a loop of making feature changes to support their poor hardware choices. Any device is going to have bugs and compromises, but the very point of a smart phone is to be connected anytime, anywhere. WinMo devices have no problems checking e-mail while asleep and conserving battery power. They even have honest push e-mail. If this affects Apple's Exchange Push functionality, its another fail for business users. "Sorry boss, my iPhone fell asleep." It's easy for any device to get awesome battery performance when asleep by shutting everything off. Apple was forced to make this unpopular change to improve battery life- because you can't warm-swap batteries in it. Before you call everyone an idiot, maybe you should try and understand where they are coming from. Apple has some innovative features and introduced an engaging product to the market in the iPhone. Apple seems dis-interested in conversing with users over the perceived flaws/bugs/lack of features in the iPhone. Does any of this really surprise anyone familiar with Apple? This is what Apple does. As long as the sheeple keep buying them thinking it is the be-all, end-all mobile device, Apple will keep making them and selling them.
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for being hailed as the phone that "just works" it sure does break a lot
You're bad at reading, aren't you? I mean for one thing, "It just works" was an ad campaign for the Mac, not the iPhone, and that was years and years ago. Second, it's not broken. It goes to sleep to conserve power, so it's actually doing exactly what it's supposed to.
There, now you're not ignorant any more. Want to try again?
@Zak Actually, as much as I hate the flamebait parent, you are incorrect. Even if this is an intentional feature (which by the poll indicates something is broken with 50% of surveyees) it doesn't change the fact that it has broken a standard feature that a LOT of us rely on day-to-day.
Give it up. I love apple as much as the next guy, but perpetuating the "fanboy" meme, only harms innovation.
I'm sorry, what part of "it's doing exactly what it's supposed to" don't you understand? The key to understanding this argument is understanding the meaning of the word "broken". Nothing is broken, because the feature is doing exactly what it's supposed to. It's a power saving measure. To "un-break" this, it would then have to break the power saving routine. You see how it works now?
You people make it seem like Apple had no idea this was going to happen, or is some unintended side effect. Really? Are you that naive? Yes, putting it to sleep prevents it from receiving email. It also saves battery life, which is why it was implemented. Calling it "broken" is ignorant, and it mis-identifies the issue.
@zak:
So, how about Apple just stops all incoming calls and sms's, you know, to conserve power. Because email can be just as important, if not more important to many people as receiving a phone call. All this proves is that Apple is still a little league smartphone maker, trying to hang with the big leagues. If the phone can go to sleep and still receive other types of incoming communications, then that means that Apple f'ed up and didn't program their email's ability to push while in low power mode.
@Zak. Okay, i'll bite. You're an idiot, Zak. The feature is fetch email (that gives you a choice between 15 minutes, 30 minutes, or an hour.)
It is not currently working as advertised, thus not fetching emails reliably under these specific conditions. It occasionally works, then it stops working sporadically.
The feature isn't doing what it states, thus, broken..
Gee, I don't know. Did Apple stop all incoming calls and SMSes? Oh look, no they didn't. What was your point again? Oh, right: "blah blah blah little league blah blah".
Because selling over 10 million units of a single model of phone in a single year is "little league". Riiiight.
@Zak:
"This Apple discussion thread chronicles the problem at length. It's possible it'll be fixed in the next update—a reader tells us that Apple confirmed it's a "known problem" and that they are looking into it, but in the meantime, don't lean too hard on fetch."
It is broken you douchebag. An intentional break is still a break.
Blackberrys have no problem fetching your email while still staying in sleep mode. Can you guess why?
Thats right. Blackberry knows how to make their shit work. Sure they didnt make it all pretty like the iPhone (until now), but when you need to get shit done, you get a device that gets shit done.
its not a bug its a feature... /sacrasm
Zak is the single and sole reason why Apple puts out such buggy shit. The thing could spaz out and erase everything on the phone and dipshits like Zak would flock to their rescue, because god forbid Apple be criticized for putting out shit. Asshats like you are the reason I'm getting the hell off Apple next month. They put out HIGHLY buggy crap and I'm certain internally they shrug and go oh well we'll fix it later. Because they know there are enough fanboi zealots out there who will buy it no matter what. So they never lear anything and repeat the cycle.
Congratulations zealots. You've turned Apple into something WORSE then Microsoft ever was.
You people disgust me to the very core of my soul. Grow a brain, and think for yourself for once instead of towing the corporate line of we are Apple.
Jon Doe: Speaking of growing a brain, when are you going to start thinking for yourself instead of letting me do it for you? I'm the reason you're going to stop using Apple products? Really? That is the worst reason I've ever heard. I don't see how you're going to get very far in life when you let internet strangers make your decisions for you.
Daniel: Sporadiacally? You're obviously not paying attention. It works when the phone is not sleeping, and it stops working when the phone goes to sleep. Since the sleep is a specific time interval, how is that "sporadic"? Do you even know what that word means? And since this is a change that Apple made intentionally, knowing specifically what the consequences were, calling it "broken" is a misnomer. Are you still unclear on that point? By the way, the name calling is real classy. Good job with that.
Speaking of name calling, you never learn, do you Ruben? Of course it's a "known problem", they knew it was going to happen when they implemented the change. And I'm guessing Blackberries can do it because they have shorter battery life than the iPhone. Oh, you hadn't heard? Yeah, the iPhone 3G has the best battery life of any 3G enabled phone on the market. Period. Yeah, battery life, remember that? The reason for making this change in the first place? It's all coming together for you now, isn't it?
As far as getting shit done, my iPhone gets shit done just fine, thanks. That's why I use it every day. If it didn't work, I wouldn't be using it. Funny how that works, huh?
Well boys it's been fun but you're going to have to do better than that. Remember, these things are always easier for me because I have the facts on my side, and you're just a bunch of Apple-hating reactionaries.
How about you take a damn CS degree, before spouting shit. Every piece of software has bugs.
Zak...
Jeez, you really are the archetypal fanboy, huh? Before you start throwing faeces my way, I own a MacBook and an iPhone 3G (and before that the original iPhone), and I love them both, but that doesn't stop me being pissed off at this.
Nowhere in the settings does it say "Fetch my email every 15 minutes BUT...", it doesn't say "Conserve power by breaking essential functionality", it doesn't say "WE ARE APPLE YOU WILL LOVE US". I paid a lot of money for the damn thing, I want them to not break really basic functionality like this. It's not fucking cool.
Oh, and please stop making out that they knew what they were doing. Saying "it's a known problem" doesn't mean it was intentional - it means that it broke, someone reported it, and that error report was verified by someone at Apple. Not that it's a 'feature' (seriously, could you possibly be any more blinkered if you tried?).
@Zac
If I broke your leg on purpose, would your leg still be broken?
@Zak:
You are right when you say this is a design decision and not 'broken', but look at the iPhone's behavior vs. other smart phones in the market. Apple seems to be in a loop of making feature changes to support their poor hardware choices. Any device is going to have bugs and compromises, but the very point of a smart phone is to be connected anytime, anywhere. WinMo devices have no problems checking e-mail while asleep and conserving battery power. They even have honest push e-mail. If this affects Apple's Exchange Push functionality, its another fail for business users. "Sorry boss, my iPhone fell asleep."
It's easy for any device to get awesome battery performance when asleep by shutting everything off. Apple was forced to make this unpopular change to improve battery life- because you can't warm-swap batteries in it. Before you call everyone an idiot, maybe you should try and understand where they are coming from.
Apple has some innovative features and introduced an engaging product to the market in the iPhone. Apple seems dis-interested in conversing with users over the perceived flaws/bugs/lack of features in the iPhone. Does any of this really surprise anyone familiar with Apple? This is what Apple does. As long as the sheeple keep buying them thinking it is the be-all, end-all mobile device, Apple will keep making them and selling them.
I think Zac just likes to debate over crap. I know some people like that, very sad, very sad....... =(