How would you change Nikon's D90?
By Darren Murph 
posted October 10th 2008 7:15PM
posted October 10th 2008 7:15PM
posted October 10th 2008 7:15PM
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I would put full 1080.
Auto focus during recording video mode.
Full frame sensor.
Im being too picky.
I'm thoroughly happy with mine :)
Bad guess, but then again, someone that insists on including a link on every post on Engadget probably doesn't posses generally good judgment anyway...
I really like mine--I have had a blast with the low-light picture taking; still have to fine-tune it, but really loving it.
I moved from a d40 w/ an 18-200 lens, and really love how much more balanced the 18-200 feels on the d90--I thought I might keep the 18-105 lens for a lightweight-day lens, but I don't think I will. (unless I keep the d40 too, but that might be a bit excessive.. ;-) )
live-view... meh. I suppose it can be handy, but the camera seems slightly more recalcitrant to focus while using the live view than with the viewfinder, but not obnoxiously so.
movies.. dunno, haven't really played with them.
But I really do love the ergonomics of it; it just feels soooo good holding onto!
As a D40 owner, is the D90 so much better in low light? (i.e. high ISO)
If ergonomics are the primary concern, wouldn't it have been a lot cheaper and functionally equivalent to get a D80?
I'm just curious, as while the D90 seems a nice camera, it doesn't seem all that much better than the one it replaced, while costing quite a lot more.
Yes, the D90 is much better than the D40 in low light, both at lower ISOs as well as less noisy higher ISOs.
My first night with it I took it a bar & shot & 1600 ISO & was happy with the pictures, and shot at 800 and was happy with the shutter speed.
My biggest reson for upgrading was the low light shooting. Everything else after that was icing on the cake :-)
"dunno, haven't really played with them.
But I really do love the ergonomics of it; it just feels soooo good holding onto!"
That's what SHE said!
Change the name to canon and replace the guts with canon parts LOL
All rabid fanboys should drink some bleach.
And then what, retire all the old lenses you have every 8-10 years?
Put an "I" in front of it and have it be made by Apple.
dang! now theres camera fanboys?!!!
I think the canon vs nikon fanboyism has been around longer than macs vs pc.
The D90 is an amazing camera. I cannot think of anything I would change as of yet.
Add a shotgun to it...
i agree, canon FTW!
I can think of a few.
Longer movie mode
Maybe 1080p with 5.1 surround sound
Better Autofocus in live view (Kinda like the Sony)
Sensor based Image Stabilization
High fps movie mode .. a 1000+ fps mode like the Casio Exilim Pro EX-F1 has would be awesome.
1. Electronic eyelevel viewfinder. Ditch the prism/mirror box. I want to be able to see what my capture is going to look like. And make this image reflect all my settings - dof, white bal, etc.
2. Articulating LCD screen.
3. Really fast Contrast Detect autofocus.
J.
LOL you must be kidding. You see what you shot with a mirror (that's the whole point after all) and electronic screens can NEVER show the same level of quality, sharpness, DOF, etc. as an optical viewfinder.
Oy vey... until they can solve the lag issues (especially in low-light), limited dynamic range, and limited resolution, an electronic viewfinder simply cannot be an effective replacement for an optical one.
1. Learn to use your camera and you wont need that, besides, White balance is correctable in post processing, Depth of field is experience and the depth of field preview button [And I learned without that second one, I can "feel" what aperture to use for a scene] EVFs frankly suck..
2. I do agree with this, but id imagine theres some technical limitation thats kept Canon and Nikon from doing it on their SLRs...id imagine it might add a bit to complexity, reduce reliability/durability or make it harder to weatherseal
3. Meh, I like phase detect AF to be honest, I've played with contrast detect AF and i cant see why its so much better theoretically..its slow in everything right now however...and it requires an EVF or live view, both of which suck to me
Anyways, my thoughts/opinions having used one in a store for a bit, its a good camera, well sorted in a lot of ways
I cant comment on live view or movie mode cause i didnt try them [They're not selling features to me]
My big complaint is the fact it uses SD cards and not CF cards, Which is sorta dumb in my opinion on a camera in this class...
R U stupid? Sorry but why would anyone want an electronic viewfinder? Optical ones have infinitely more detail and real world everything than any electronic image could ever dream of having. Sell your D90 and get a point and shoot. You'll be better off.
Actually, you want the Panasonic G1, and the upcoming Olympus micro-four-thirds(m43) if you want an EVF (if you don't mind a 2.0 crop factor).
http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/olympus-drops-jaws-with-retro-micro-four-thirds-concept/
Thing is, if you use an EVF, the camera no-longer becomes a SLR. The mirror-box is what gives current dSLRs their AF speed (via-phase-detection) and metering. The new G1 basically takes everything in Live-view mode and does away with the mirror-box, it makes it very compact. Panasonic's EVF runs at 180fps (60fps for each RGB) so it manages to have very little lag if any. Beyond that it has a magnification factor larger then optical and is brighter.
if you get rid of the mirror, you pretty much have a point and shoot with interchangable lenses. I dont think anyone would EVER make an SLR with an electronic viewfinder.
An EVF! LOL. What you want is a bridge camera. Leave the actual photography to those of us that love the equipment and care about the final shot.
Maybe add autofocusing in movie mode...
I couldn't agree more! I love my D90, I really do, but my eyes aren't so good in telling when the video is focused as I zoom in and out. Hopefully it is something they can add in a firmware update. :\
They need to fix the severe rolling-shutter problem in D-movie mode before they address AF.
Also, they need to add manual controls in movie mode as well. I can't imagine it being very hard to implement, but currently you can't change basic things like shutter-speed in movie mode.
AF wouldn't work very well anyways for a shallow-DOF camera with only contrast-detection to go by. Most camcorders that have AF have a large-DOF with a small sensor, which make AF easier. Even if AF was available it would be like the jerky AF that is currently in live-view mode. Pros don't use AF for video.
That's the only realistic feature to add that I can think of. It may even be a firmware update away.
And EVFs are no good due to the low dynamic range of EVFs. Our eyes show around 16 stops of dynamic range, and even the best DSLRs for DR such like the Fuji S5Pro (12 EV) and Nikon D3 (11 EV, but may make the picture look horrid), so I wouldn't expect them to be able to display more DR on an EVF unless they had a sensor that was capable of doing so.
I'd add gps and wimax if it doesn't already have it.
OK. I'll say it. I was and still am drooling over the d90. It is an excellent replacement for the D80. The only problem? I don't own one. Why? 'Cause its $3-400 more than what it ought to be. They should have dropped the price on the D80, and brought the D90 in right where it used to be.
I work for a living, and can't wait to get my hands on this great prosumer camera, but I'm also married, and its that much more difficult to make it through the wife filter at $1400 + tax.
http://www.17photo.com/product.asp?id=25446 $995 for the body
http://www.17photo.com/product.asp?id=25448 $1299 for the camera and the 18-105mm f3.5-5.6G DX VR Lens
Also, I wouldn't really consider this a prosumer camera. The current Nikon prosumer is the D300.
The D90 came in at the exact same price that the D80 did when it was released. And yet, it is MUCH more camera.
It is priced right where it should be (in my opinion). And yes, I own one along with a D200 and a D40. No company can afford to price new technologies at the same price as 2 year old stuff. It is not how anything works. Go try and buy a new car for the same price as a 2 year old one.
You really are looking for the D40. It is under $450 with the 18-55 lens and it iss a great little camera. It can take amazing pictures and is priced great. Sure, it will not have all the bells and whistles of a camera costing twice as much, but it shouldn't.
I love when people say things like 'prosumer'. I have the D80, D40 and three other digital cams and shoot professionally. I dare you to discern between a well-shot photo taken from either. At the end of the day, these 'tier' labels are for marketing, pricing and planned obsolescence.
Buy the camera that feels best in your hand, has the features that fit your shooting needs and that fits your budget.
A good photographer can shoot with a $3 disposable camera.
er..the D90 is the prosumer model, the D300 is technically a professional camera
The D90 currently competes with the EOS-40D and the Sony Alpha a700
the D300 competes with the 50D and the Olympus E-3 right now
And it is the photographer thats the most important bit, but personally, i like the big beefy cameras to the tiny consumer models [D40, a200/300/350, D60, Rebels] Because they fit better in my hand and put the controls i like right where i want them...also of course, a photographer can become limited as well you realize if their equipment just isnt capable of allowing you to do the sort of shot you precisely want to get [Either due to the fact you lack the proper lens or your camera lacks the resolution to resolve it fully as you want it resolved] Of course a good photographer knows ways to turn flaws into features, but there are times you just cant
To me, for how i work, the a700 has the best control layout i've found actually, and I'm currently contemplating the purchase
The D90 and D300 are a close second however, the xxD Canons are a very far third..
"Make it cheaper" are the worst suggestions (especially from people don't see that there are already cameras specifically for their price range). Hell, I want a D700 for a less then a grand. For what its worth, the D90 is a huge bargain, especially compared to its nearest rival the 50D (which is $1400 for body-only, 3 more MP, and sans video-mode). This camera is NOT going to launch for $600-700. That would make it cheaper launch then even a D60, it ain't a bloody point-and-shoot.
If you follow the pricing of the D80, in a year or two the D90 price will likely go down to $700-800 over time. You can buy a D80 with a Kit lens for below $800 now.
Wait 12 months and it will be at your price level!
First, let me agree with melo; these terms are basically meaningless, and the most important component for taking a good picture is the user. I've sold photographs I took with my D50 and the cheap kit lens...
However, the D90 is relatively cheap, and has a plastic body, and in my opinion is a consumer grade camera. It's an awesome camera nonetheless.
Just a heads up, shop around. you can get it for 749 Including lens, with no tax or shipping.
http://shopdigitaldirect.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=8116
definitely auto-focusing in movie mode, and on that note a better microphone, but beyond that, i'm loving it. the screen's gorgeous, and the picture quality is spectacular, and like Jonathan said above, the thing feels so solid holding onto it. definite A.
Yea, the one thing I noticed was a lack of mic input. I would love it if it could do XLR/48v power, but I guess the crappy mic is good enough to do track syncing so you can replace the audio track with something from a good portable recorder or laptop+usb input box. That way I can use my AKG mics with it.
Drop this video BS. Can somebody PLEASE explain to me why it is so necessary to shoot video on an SLR? It's a camera, not a camcorder. That could ease the price quite nicely.
No, it couldn't.
The ability to record video is basically just software.
Because you can control the DoF and use different lenses for wide angle shooting or close ups....which you can't on consumer level video cameras that cost more than the d90.
If you're gonna put a video mode on a prosumer camera, and it's the first of it's kind, it should be 1080p and have autofocus. Seriously.
Can't you people get this through your heads, the D90 is by no means a prosumer level camera. The D300 is the current Nikon prosumer which will be followed by the D400 which I'm willing to bet will have 1080 movie capture.
I think it's incredible, but let's get some backwards compatible AF in movie mode. Woohoo!
It's the best camera for your money, period. $1300 gets you 12 MP, 18-105, Movies, Low-Light pics, 5 fps (approx) and a ton of other awesome things. Go buy one now.
But just make it lok less like I'm underwater when I shoot videos and toss in autofocusing in movie mode. While we're at it, let's do an audio line-in and the ability to make notes on pics you've already taken.
In-Body Stabilizer?
ive always heard the stabilizer is better in the lens than in the body....
but i dont know how true that actually is...
anybody else have an opinion or link that i can read up on this?
thanks...