Apple finally refreshes Cinema Display: 24-inch, LED backlit, $899
By Darren Murph 
posted Oct 14th 2008 11:29AM
posted Oct 14th 2008 11:29AM
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So they refresh the displays but not the Mini? :
No, you have it backwards, didn't you read?
Love it!!!!, really cool design!! i think apple is going all aluminum with glossy black
you think...?
Good one Sherlock!
I prefer the old design; the simple brushed aluminum looked classy, and it matched the Mac Pro and MacBook Pro perfectly.
oh well that puts an end to the $899 laptop :(
Just put this on your lap. Boom.
Seriously though... $900 for a 24" 1920x1200 display? Wow... Just wow. I was hoping they would come back down to earth but I guess now.
$899 for a 24" LED Backlit display, well, simply makes those who buy it a tiny bit less of an idiot than before
i bought an Envision display with exactly the same specs. It doesn't have a USB port or a power socket, but it's not really clear to me why I want a USB port on my monitor. Anwyay, I got $70 worth of rebates and the final price was $280 from Circuit City.
So yes, Apple is still high on crack.
Not to mention, what the hell is up with Display Port. Why would you want some crappy proprietary port when DVI or D-SUB will the exact same job.
November?
What about now?
Any why not 1920x1200?
It is - that is an Engadget typo
a good price but they need to update the 30" too.
Good price? I don't think so.
LED backlighting is pretty expensive to implement in larger monitors...
I paid $1200 for an NEC 2490, so this is a good price if it has an IPS panel. Mediocre price for VA, and terrible price if TN.
This is by far the lowest priced LED backlit 24" on the market.
@whatisthe
No it isn't. It's just another Steve tariff.
@BluesK1d
Yes it is.
native 1900x1200 not 1900x1080
So how would I connect this to my PC? (seriously)
Ain't possible... I really expected them to settle this, but this propietary shit ain't good for no one... It's like paying a stiff price for exclusion, when they fill their mouths with great words like compatibility.
I'm a Motion Graphic designer, and NO I ain't gonna get a Mac any soon.
Aw, wait, YOU have to sheel out an extra buck for the adapter... ain't it sweet? And will that make the webcam to work too? We'll know soon... I guess, anyways BUMMER!
no digital connections ? does this mean new line of apple displays can not be connected to a PC ?
Um... DisplayPort is a digital interface, I imagine that you would need an adaptor.
Not that it matters anyway, Apple displays are terribly over-priced and terribly sub-par.
adapters have a bad mojo for video editing. they tend to compromise color and saturation.
apple cinema displays are really good if you are working in this area.
as my job requires pcs because of the software we are using, it means that i'll be making a real hard research next time we buy monitors. "boss, by me an apple" line seems to be dead for me...
umm.. how would an adapter affect saturation and sharpness? It's a digital signal.
Is there a reason I don't know as of why it's 300$ more expensive then a Dell 2408WFP??
Except that it has a fruit on it
Good question, my friends and I have been trying to figure out why Apple Cinema Displays are so expensive for a while now... we got nothing, other then branding. It sure isn't because of their wonderful (read: not to great) response times.
maybe because it isn't backlit by LED's...
Here are some of the reasons why its $300 more
1. It's Apple
2. LED Backlit display
3. Built in iSight/mic
4. Built in magsafe adapter for apple laptops
5. Built in Speakers
Oh don't forget the "style" dollars...
One word, apple doesn't use garbage TN pannels. For ONCE I will stand up for apple. If you ever use photoshop or even just edit photos, get ready to jump off a bridge with any TN panel that looses its gamut properties once you look 5 degrees off the axis of the monitor (Just like with my Samsung 226bw). The apple monitors have something like a 270 degree viewing angle in both axes. Just hop over to a best buy and look at every crappy pc display out there, you pay for quality. I'm a diehard windows guy, and I hate the TN pannel trend... I HATE IT!!!!
The Samsung 226BW is $600 less than this monitor.
The NEC LCD2470WNX seems to be a vastly better monitor than this one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824002334
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=36&mo1=224&p1=2104&ma2=71&mo2=236&p2=2301&ph=8
212W of power
Most people don't know the difference between a TN, S-IPS, P-MVA. For designers and content creators, there's a big difference. For web surfing and email, there's no reason to buy the more expensive version.
I'd sell my 2407WFP-HC for this, but there are a few drawbacks I'm not sure on:
- HDCP support?
- One connector. I have a PS3 as well as a MacBook, and use both on the 2407. I suppose I could get a switch, but I'm not happy about it.
- No external audio connector. I suppose the sound comes through DisplayPort, but if you use an adapter from something that doesn't use HDMI for sound, you've got to use externals (which are better, I suppose, but I'd like the option)
I suppose I'll stick with the 2407 and get an additional MagSafe cable. It won't look as sexy, but it works better.
Good grief people, can we stop griping about Apple's prices? Apple makes premium products at premium prices. If you don't care about a nice looking aluminum and glass body, built-in camera, LED backlighting, etc. then save your $300 and get a Dell. Seems pretty simple to me. That's what Dell is there for - to provide less-expensive-to-make products at lower prices.
Geez, why does a restaurant charge $6 for a hamburger when you can get a Double Stack at Wendy's for .99? The nerve!!!
Bah.
@fieldcar: "The apple monitors have something like a 270 degree viewing angle in both axes."
So you can view them from behind? Nice job pulling bullshit numbers out of your ass. Max it could possibly be is just shy of 180 degrees (can't really be 180 because you wouldn't be able to see the face from that angle) in either axis.
"Most people don't know the difference between a TN, S-IPS, P-MVA."
Yes they do. They just think that some LCD displays are good and some crappy without an idea of why. After all, it's hard not to see the color and contrast shifts, especially with TN display and especially when off axis vertically. If people could make the connection between what they were seeing and the panel type (something that's hard to do because panel type isn't usually on the sales placard at the store), they'd certainly develop preferences.
Still loving my Dell 24WFP. I was a little worried that as soon as I bought it, Apple would refresh the Cinemas and I'd regret the Dell, especially since I was replacing an older cinema display. Nope. Still love the Dell and no regrets at all.
It runs $600-700, 24", 1920x1200, tons of ports including USB, HDMI (2 of those!), VGA, S video, component, displayport, etc.
@fieldcar:
270 degrees of viewing angle? So I can view the screen from behind?! Awesome!
The question I have is are these displays glossy?
And if they are - are pros going to like them?
Yes, the display is glossy. Look at the photo. The height is also seemingly not adjustable. The target audience for this monitor is obviously wealthy consumers who don't really know better.
Correct-o! I have no idea why they would go glossy. Fighting glare is a royal pain.
non-adjustable. just like my 22" Samsung, and my 20" Dells at work...
honestly, after using my wife's Dell (with the 15.4" glossy display, I prefer it to the matte, especially for photos.
As a pro I certainly wont buy one. I have a 24" IPS panel from HP I bought for $650. It will beat the socks off this VA panel and it's cheaper.
I think this display is boss, if I wasn't stuck in Italy for school until December I would have the new MacBook today, but I guess I will just wait till I get back and pick up the MacBook along with this display which will be out by then.
Looks sweet. I don't know if it's worth the price though. I can't see how it would connect to a PC. Unless you purchase you some adapter which will be made by apple. (grown)
That one looks a lot like my hp w2007v display.
Mini-Display Adaptor? Does this mean that it won't be compatible with the old MacBook/MacBook Pros and pretty much every other Apple product before this day?
And this is surpirsing why?
It's apple.
You just summed up their entire philosphy and approach to consumers in general.
You just need a Mini-DisplayPort to DVI adapter. Hopefully these come bundled with the display...
@Hyperplasia - yeah, damn that Apple. And to think, consumers hate their methods so much that they're buying more Apple products every day. You might check their year-to-year market share sometime. You're obviously not busy watching the Texans win..... (They really didn't win yesterday either. The Dolphins lost.....)
@wy937 - There's adapters out there that go from Display Port to DVI (male to female), so you'd be able to plug an old DVI display into the new macbook pros with that, but from what I understand there's nothing that goes the other way around (DisplayPort female to DVI male). So plugging this new display into an old MacBook Pro does not appear to be possible.
Read about bridging DisplayPort here: http://www.edn.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA6574650
Personally, I think this development sucks. How hard would it have been for apple to include a little bit of backwards compatibility?
So is this a TN 6-bit panel?
Is the tri-cable detachable? If it's built-in, you run a risk of trashing your $900 display when all you need is to replace a $30 cable.
Built-in speakers? Really? ...that's just stupid. Who pays that kind of money for a display and doesn't have a proper sound system?
I know a few people who would love this...
It is basically making a docking station for your laptop, if you are using a MBP and you have the screen down, the internal speakers get muffled... This way, you can carry out a Skype / iChat call without needing additional speakers!
Not everyone uses their laptops for playing music on... But I hope they are somewhat decent speakers...
$900?! You can buy two, almost three 24-inch with that.
WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO POST THE COLOR GAMUT!?
LED BACK-LIT!!!!!!
Why are they bothering with putting a isight on a monitor thats designed for a macbook? dosent the macbook already have an isight?
The iSight is in the monitor because that's where you look when you connect an external monitor to a laptop.
Right now, I have a MacBook Pro with a 23" Cinema Display to the right of the MBP. When I turn on the iSight in my MBP you get a picture of the left side of my face.
By putting iSight in the monitor, the image will be straight on rather than to the side.
I prefer the old Apple Cinema displays. I don't like the new black border. It looks like a Sony screen.
Well, Steve, like most of your other products, you can stick this one where the Sun don't shine, mate! ;)
I see the made sure the magsafe adapter would work with the macbook air....oh wait they didn't.
I take that back, i guess they did make it right. my mistake.
Apple doesn't use TN panels?
Looked at a 20" iMac recently ?
I can stop at an Apple store on the way home. P4P.
@fieldcar on pg1 even..Engadget comment system..does not work right the first time with noscript..
Now it just needs a touchscreen like that on HP's Touchsmart computer...
Then it would PERFECTLY complement the iPhone 3G...
Just a question, what's the refresh delay rate on this? The old ones have an abysmal 16 ms, which is sad because most Samsungs are 2-4 ms. Sigh.....