Maybe because he's: 1. Wrong about HDMI (limited resolution? What the hell is he talking about? It's DVI with audio, and some HDCP tossed in. Are you serious?) 2. Deluding himself about Blu-Ray
Honestly, I'm pretty sure the difficulty lies in securing the entire OS to meet HDCP compliance. Admittedly, that's got to be a headache, if not darned near impossible without an entire OS refresh, and what we've got now is brand spanking new. I'd expect that getting that all licensed and working on code which has such firm open source origins is going to be tedious. From his perspective, "a bag of hurt."
How the hell does is casually refer to HDMI as being limited in resolution?!
I mean, yes, it has a limit but not one that'll pose a problem for computers right now. Seems like Stevie is really against shelling out anything in terms of licensing for blu-ray/HDMI...
If you weren't sure, here the Apple design process:
1. Think of idea 2. Ask Lord Steve if he wants that feature for his personal use 3. If yes, put idea into new product. If no, scrap idea and say that no one really wants it at the next Apple Ego Stroking Convention.
So far casualties have been: iPhone copy/paste, iPhone removable batteries, Blu Ray, enough USB ports on any Mac laptop ever, any useful features on the Air.
Maximum bandwidth of HDMI is 165 million pixels per second. As an example, 1920x1080x60Hz = 144.4 million pixels per second, so the maximum resolution - without going to dual-link - is not far above that.
To compare, display port has a maximum rate of 8.64 gigabits per second, which is enough for 2560 x 1600 x 60HZ x 30bpp.
HDMI is intended as an external consumer electronics connection for HDTVs. It is rapidly replacing S-Video and component video as the primary connection to TV sets. HDMI appears on consumer monitors so that they can be connected to Blu-ray Disc players, game consoles, and other consumer electronics. This allows the monitor to be used as an entertainment display. HDMI is also found on PCs to enable connectivity to HDTVs.
In contrast, DisplayPort is the digital interface for connecting flat-panel displays to computer systems. It will eventually replace VGA, DVI, and LVDS in IT equipment such as home and office PCs, projectors, monitors, and data center consoles. HDMI is not designed to meet these internal and external IT connectivity requirements...it is an external consumer electronics interface.
HDMI is based on legacy CRT raster-scan architecture. DisplayPort is designed for modern flat-panel displays and PC chipsets. DisplayPort has a micro-packet architecture with low voltage signaling that more easily enables networked displays. In the future, DisplayPort will also allow daisy chaining displays at full graphics performance, including 3D. and content protection. Today's USB-based daisy-chaining solutions do not support high performance 3D graphics or protected content.
HDMI has rules for how to implement and use the technology. Business and enterprise customers may not want to implement all of the consumer electronics features that are required in HDMI products. In contrast, DisplayPort is the display equivalent of Ethernet....anyone can implement it in any type of application. A VESA compliance program ensures interoperability for products featuring the "DisplayPort Certified" logo.
DisplayPort supports higher performance as a standard feature-every 6-foot cable supports 10.8 Gbps. With HDMI, high performance is optional and comes at a significant cost premium. DisplayPort has better support for projectors and enables cool ultra-thin monitors. It supports native fiber optic cable and offers latching connectors, features that are missing from HDMI. Down the road, DisplayPort will allow multi-function monitors with a single cable delivering display, audio, and USB connectivity. It will also support multiple monitors on a single connector.
Because Job's said it I guess. This page looks like he took it over. WTF. Job's saying anything negative about a product other than his has no validity to me. I really hope he gets taken to the cleaners in Europe because finally someone stood up to his "mp3" incompatible crap format. don't even get started on I-tunes. Crapware part 2.
Phil Schiller is a complete moron. I'm really getting sick of Apple blowing off the professional crowd, e.g. the ONES WHO KEPT THEM IN BUSINESS DURING THE 90's! There is much more to Blu-ray than consumers watching 1080P movies. For god sakes, has Apple forgotten about the entire video production industry? Even beyond using Blu-ray to distribute HD video to clients or indie film making, I'm sure there are many home users with new AVCHD camcorders that would like to playback HD home video on their blu-ray players. Secondly, There are a lot of home, professional and business users who would like to use 50GB optical discs for backups and archival purposes, especially for video, audio, and large scientific datasets. It's bad enough the Macbook "Pro" doesn't have an actual professional Quadro/FireGL graphics card or eSATA....
Oh and another thing. HDMI is certainly not bandwidth limited, and it's type-B connector actually supports TWICE the bandwidith of DisplayPort, enabling Quad-HD displays...
I'm not sure where your getting this information, and I don't think you're comparing apples with apples. According to wikipedia's HDMI page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI), the maximum resolution at 30bpp of HDMI 1.3 is 2560×1600p60. Seems like that's the same as DisplayPort's maximum resolution of 2560x1600xp60x30bpp.
Also, according to wikipedia, the maximum bandwidth of HDMI 1.3 is 10.2 Gbit/s.
Maybe you're basing your figures on HDMI 1.0–1.2a, but seems more accurate to compare the latest specs of both technologies.
"A bag of hurt"? Oh poooooor baby! I guess Jobs doesn't like it when Himself is forced to deal with the greed based DRM world he helped create. Imagine Himself having to endure the discomfort of Digital Rights that are owned by someone else and withheld or delayed out of greed.
This is EXACTLY why you should not buy MAC. If they don't want to support it, are too lazy/cheap, you will not get access to it. They will make up some stupid excuse to try and explain why, while the PC people are using it regularly and having loads of fun with it.
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HOW is this 'BREAKING NEWS'?
It came from the mouth of god.. uh Steve Jobs I meant..
That resolution comment is downright wrong. They both share the same maximum resolution.
The only thing that's breaking is Blu-ray Disk Association's heart.
Anyway OSX kinda supports bluray. You just need to bring your own hardware & software to the table.
"but the licensing of the tech is so complex"
LOL, that's funny coming from the head of the Job-O the Hut Syndicate!
"Blu-ray is a bag of hurt, but AppleTV so pwns!!!!!!!"
:p
-Pie
Maybe because he's:
1. Wrong about HDMI (limited resolution? What the hell is he talking about? It's DVI with audio, and some HDCP tossed in. Are you serious?)
2. Deluding himself about Blu-Ray
Honestly, I'm pretty sure the difficulty lies in securing the entire OS to meet HDCP compliance. Admittedly, that's got to be a headache, if not darned near impossible without an entire OS refresh, and what we've got now is brand spanking new. I'd expect that getting that all licensed and working on code which has such firm open source origins is going to be tedious. From his perspective, "a bag of hurt."
How the hell does is casually refer to HDMI as being limited in resolution?!
I mean, yes, it has a limit but not one that'll pose a problem for computers right now. Seems like Stevie is really against shelling out anything in terms of licensing for blu-ray/HDMI...
Notice how the display Port on the Macbook Air can now run the 30" Cinema Display
If you weren't sure, here the Apple design process:
1. Think of idea
2. Ask Lord Steve if he wants that feature for his personal use
3. If yes, put idea into new product. If no, scrap idea and say that no one really wants it at the next Apple Ego Stroking Convention.
So far casualties have been: iPhone copy/paste, iPhone removable batteries, Blu Ray, enough USB ports on any Mac laptop ever, any useful features on the Air.
The mini display port can connect to a dual-DVI adapter to power 2 external displays.
Not sure that you can do that with HDMI.
Whats the point of HDMI when the mini display port can connect to DVI via an adapter? is it just that people want the audio as well?
Maximum bandwidth of HDMI is 165 million pixels per second. As an example, 1920x1080x60Hz = 144.4 million pixels per second, so the maximum resolution - without going to dual-link - is not far above that.
To compare, display port has a maximum rate of 8.64 gigabits per second, which is enough for 2560 x 1600 x 60HZ x 30bpp.
So, yes, HDMI *is* limited in resolution.
From DELLs website:
HDMI is intended as an external consumer electronics connection for HDTVs. It is rapidly replacing S-Video and component video as the primary connection to TV sets. HDMI appears on consumer monitors so that they can be connected to Blu-ray Disc players, game consoles, and other consumer electronics. This allows the monitor to be used as an entertainment display. HDMI is also found on PCs to enable connectivity to HDTVs.
In contrast, DisplayPort is the digital interface for connecting flat-panel displays to computer systems. It will eventually replace VGA, DVI, and LVDS in IT equipment such as home and office PCs, projectors, monitors, and data center consoles. HDMI is not designed to meet these internal and external IT connectivity requirements...it is an external consumer electronics interface.
HDMI is based on legacy CRT raster-scan architecture. DisplayPort is designed for modern flat-panel displays and PC chipsets. DisplayPort has a micro-packet architecture with low voltage signaling that more easily enables networked displays. In the future, DisplayPort will also allow daisy chaining displays at full graphics performance, including 3D. and content protection. Today's USB-based daisy-chaining solutions do not support high performance 3D graphics or protected content.
HDMI has rules for how to implement and use the technology. Business and enterprise customers may not want to implement all of the consumer electronics features that are required in HDMI products. In contrast, DisplayPort is the display equivalent of Ethernet....anyone can implement it in any type of application. A VESA compliance program ensures interoperability for products featuring the "DisplayPort Certified" logo.
DisplayPort supports higher performance as a standard feature-every 6-foot cable supports 10.8 Gbps. With HDMI, high performance is optional and comes at a significant cost premium. DisplayPort has better support for projectors and enables cool ultra-thin monitors. It supports native fiber optic cable and offers latching connectors, features that are missing from HDMI. Down the road, DisplayPort will allow multi-function monitors with a single cable delivering display, audio, and USB connectivity. It will also support multiple monitors on a single connector.
lol at Frankenstein, spot on!!
Because Job's said it I guess. This page looks like he took it over. WTF. Job's saying anything negative about a product other than his has no validity to me. I really hope he gets taken to the cleaners in Europe because finally someone stood up to his "mp3" incompatible crap format. don't even get started on I-tunes. Crapware part 2.
@ nerdtalker
I guess you are correct about the OS thing.. after all they will be releasing Snow Leopard sometime next year..
Phil Schiller is a complete moron. I'm really getting sick of Apple blowing off the professional crowd, e.g. the ONES WHO KEPT THEM IN BUSINESS DURING THE 90's! There is much more to Blu-ray than consumers watching 1080P movies. For god sakes, has Apple forgotten about the entire video production industry? Even beyond using Blu-ray to distribute HD video to clients or indie film making, I'm sure there are many home users with new AVCHD camcorders that would like to playback HD home video on their blu-ray players. Secondly, There are a lot of home, professional and business users who would like to use 50GB optical discs for backups and archival purposes, especially for video, audio, and large scientific datasets. It's bad enough the Macbook "Pro" doesn't have an actual professional Quadro/FireGL graphics card or eSATA....
Oh and another thing. HDMI is certainly not bandwidth limited, and it's type-B connector actually supports TWICE the bandwidith of DisplayPort, enabling Quad-HD displays...
replace 'mp3' with 'm4a', and that's about right
@Chris C
I'm not sure where your getting this information, and I don't think you're comparing apples with apples. According to wikipedia's HDMI page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI), the maximum resolution at 30bpp of HDMI 1.3 is 2560×1600p60. Seems like that's the same as DisplayPort's maximum resolution of 2560x1600xp60x30bpp.
Also, according to wikipedia, the maximum bandwidth of HDMI 1.3 is 10.2 Gbit/s.
Maybe you're basing your figures on HDMI 1.0–1.2a, but seems more accurate to compare the latest specs of both technologies.
"A bag of hurt"? Oh poooooor baby! I guess Jobs doesn't like it when Himself is forced to deal with the greed based DRM world he helped create. Imagine Himself having to endure the discomfort of Digital Rights that are owned by someone else and withheld or delayed out of greed.
This is EXACTLY why you should not buy MAC. If they don't want to support it, are too lazy/cheap, you will not get access to it. They will make up some stupid excuse to try and explain why, while the PC people are using it regularly and having loads of fun with it.