Nokia adds support for Lotus Notes in Symbian S60
By Darren Murph 
posted Nov 20th 2008 7:38PM
posted Nov 20th 2008 7:38PM
Please note: If you're a current Engadget commenter, you do not need to re-register. Simply login and you will be prompted to select a username.
Fact: Australian Department of Immigration uses Lotus notes
You have a seemingly shitty job.
God no wonder they're so bitchy. Did the same people that made that decision also decide the guy who is the only primary care physician for 60,000 people can't get permanent residency because his son with Down Syndrome would cost the country too much money?
I still use Lotus Office Suite *ashamed*
I swear we must work for the same department, cause there couldn't be more than one!
140 million? MS isn't the monopoly it once was if Lotus Notes is that popular.
...scratch that. IBM isn't the monopoly it once could have maybe been. It doesn't even make thinkpads anymore!
I work at IBM Argentina and we use lotus notes. And I hate it!
FGL82... you are a NOB! Why work for the company who has s/w you hate.. bugger off then and get a job that you can do, like sweep streets or wash dishes...
Ahahahahahaha!!! :D
You are funny!
I suppose it would be kind of contradictory not to use it at IBM though!
But yes. It does suck balls.
whats lotus note's a racing game, design program???
LOL.. nob!
Lotus notes is the alternative to microsoft exchange, or you could say a corporate email server. The real trouble with lotus notes is because was created using java then its slow as hell and eat a lot of resources.
But IMHO, if you don't want centralized stuff, then sendmail can do the job and its for free.
@Magallanes:
Hate to disagree but Notes is the e-mail *client*. The server is Domino.
I've used/maintained a domino server and the 300+ users on it and I can tell you now, its outdated, clunky and integrates poorly into other systems. I really cant understand why they would bother updating their OS to deal with it!
What about the rest of us that just got a nokia we will be able to upgrade to this?
I work for a company who's main business in Lotus Notes development :)
for some reason im really wanting a nokia now *damned tmobile*
Lotus Symphony is a great office suit (way better than open office) and is free to use!
http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home
So Darren Smurph would prefer his company to be crippled with viruses, use at twice as many servers, and experience less uptime and functionality by using a Microsoft 'solution' rather than Lotus Notes? If Darren wants to be a tech journalist he should check his facts...
Such as Lotus Notes support for Linux and Macs means that it is gaining market-share and Lotus continues to see year-on-year revenue growth..... Or that Lotus Notes is now open-source based, running upon the Eclipse platform.... Or that the latest version, Notes 8, has been winning awards for its new look and user-experience.
To "Police" you should switch to Symphony, the Lotus improved version of OpenOffice. Did I mention its free?
$100 says Engadget's editors use the Mac equivelant.
Lotus notes is hardly open source based, consisting of both compiled C++ libraries and Java.
Engadget was trolling you. They often do this when there are products they are ignorant about, but know there are some users with informed views they can tweak into responding.
Lotus Notes has some very hardcore tech at its roots, but like many concept driven products, suffers from usability issues.
And the current version is based on the open source Eclipse, making it easier for third parties to develop modules that can interact with it.
FUD, FUD, and more FUD. 1999 called, it wants it's Anti-Microsoft arguments back.
We deal with two companies of equal size. Each has about 5000 workstations. One uses Exchange, one uses Domino. They both use the same number of servers (2 each for redundancy), neither company is 'crippled' with viruses, and in point of fact, the Domino servers experience far more downtime than the Exchange servers. (and since IBM Global Services hosts the Domino servers, I would assume they would know what they're doing...but perhaps not) Domino may be a fantastic mail server...I don't deal with that side of things, but Notes has always has been, a pile of crap. I see nothing in version 8 that is making me change my mind.
We're talking about a piece of software written so ineptly that a separate piece of software (Zapnotes) was developed because people were sick of having to log off/log on/restart whenever Notes crashed.
Now, in all fairness, it's good to see that Notes 8 has been rebuilt from scratch, but in all of our pilot tests it still seems as bloated and tempermental as 7.
Nathan where have you been?!?!?!?
Being Anti-M$ is the new trend. Fuck Vista!
The Howard Stern Show uses Lotus Notes..they've mentioned it a bunch of times on the show.
We use Lotus at work. I like the idea of Lotus Notes, but the Notes client has so many simple features missing or that are in odd places. Really? I can't right-click and mark unread? I have to highlight the message, go to edit-unread marks-mark unread? I can't create a new calendar entry from mail view? Plus, the contacts system sucks.
I wish we just used gmail.
@Larry
- select the doc/docs and press insert key to toggle read/unread
- try the menu "Create\Calendar Entry"
- it has everything you need, what sucks ???
I love lotus notes. Why would you be ashamed of it?
The new Eclipse based client is awesome.
And domino server is rock solid, much better foundation than JET!
I find Lotus pretty responsive ever since I updated to Windows to 3.1.
My father works for a high-end office furniture company and at one point, they switched from a more robust program TO Lotus Notes. He told me that doing it was going backwards about 1,000 steps in advancement. Lotus Notes: Keeping your business steeped in mediocrity, which is about the only thing it can do well.
whatever it is ,it is simply a good news.nokia is trying to make cellphone like a computer
Lotus notes scales well from being able to run from a main server in say Halifax (UK) and be used in offices in say Edinburgh (UK)
However it's UI is strictly stuck in the 90s, many of its crashes (and slow start ups) can put down to network bandwidth issues.
Mind you as mentioned above Lotus Symphony is fantastic and free.
Hi. My name is Josh and I use Lotus Notes.
The United nations uses Lotus Notes!
I work for the company which makes Lotus Notes. Everybody I know who work with me HATE Notes.
Being on the cutting edge, IP Australia uses Lotus Notes...
Darren Murphy ? You are a NOB! N.O.B. (and all you other clowns who hate Lotus Notes simply because "it doesn't look like outlook!".)
for a moment there i thought engadget was reporting on a "Sybian"
Symbian generates far less buzz.
I have to use Notes every day and whilst I'm not a huge fan of it, I've never seen another product that comes close to matching its capabilities.
...and if anyone who still thinks Notes is just an email / messaging system is thinking of replying, don't bother.
WTF? Notes is a great platform if it's done right.
What kind of phone is that?
Oh dear Lord. Lotus Notes rocks as a development platform. Why in hell people insist on calling it an email platform is beyond me. It is a total package: application server, mail server, web server, application development platform and runs on multiple operating systems. The highly touted and 'advanced' Microsoft solutions requires about ten different products to match the same functionality as the Notes/Domino server and client:
* Exchange server
* IIS web server
* Sharpoint
* Office 2007
* the server side Office backend (Moss)
* Visual Studio
* Sharepoint Designer
* Outlook
* Infopath
* Microsoft Expression, Dreamweaver or other such web design tool
Sign me up for that!
Why is Lotus Notes the Windows Vista of the server world? Oh yeah, because nobody really knows anything about it. If you did, you'd like it.
It should be noted that Lotus Notes Traveler isn't lotus notes per se. It's a way of checking email and updating calendars, but the meat of Domino/Notes isn't there. Plus Traveler has to be supported ON THE SERVER and requires a license to use. This isn't just a 'install program, get access to my notes server' type of thing. Trust me, I've tried numerous times to get it working correctly on WinMo without server support... no dice.
Lotus Traveler is free. You have to accept a license to install it (at the moment) but there is NO CHARGE. You install it on the server. Yo
If you are trying to set it up on your client, without the server bit running.. its not going to work. If you want help setting it up on the server, there are plenty of step by step instructions available online. Very simple..
@ Larry
in Lotus Notes 8.5 you an actually right click and mark read/unread.
Remember to apply the newest template. :-) Although it is still Beta 2 but it is really cool.
While.. Lotus is not an email system.. it's more like a collaboration and work flow application platform.
Check out Bluehouse.lotus.com.. the Enterprise Social Network.
I used to be at a company that used Lotus Notes about 6 or 7 years ago. It was rubbish! We also used Smart Suite which apart from Lotus 123 was also rubbish. The funny thing is that IBM were participating in a tender process to supply a software service to us and they sent us a message asking for the documentation to be sent in MS office as they did not use Smart Suite! Says a lot when they don't even use their own software!
Not only does my company use Lotus Notes, we are still on VERSION 6 cf2!!!! It absolutely blows!
Also, we are on XP with SP1 only!!!
Also, we are still on ie6!!!!
Also, we are the 2nd largest insurer in the world!!!!!
We have Mac clients, Linux clients, windows clients - all running Notes. We use it for all its features. Its UI is come on a long way in 18 months. It has more to go, but the UI team in IBM is ahead of the curve with plans. It is not open source on the client - but it is encapsulated with an eclipse shell, which makes it very extendable with open source tools. Little thinks like adding google gadgets to the client, and live text (for example, post codes in my client are "live" - click on them and google maps loads with the location). This does not take design skills - you just follow a wizard.
Many people hate Lotus Notes as they were stuck with versions over the past 20 years. I don't blame them - if you are running Lotus Notes 5, 6, or 6.5 you are working with products that are at least 6 years old. Recently it has come a long way. If you looked at 8.0, look again even now - its a lot faster and more functionality.
As for the server side - IMO you can do more with one domino server then you can with any other "email" product. Its an application platform. Look at what we do with just two domino servers.
http://www.pmooney.net/pmooney/pmooneynet.nsf/d6plinks/PMOY-7JRLVR