No, you're not looking at some high-precision, multimeter-laden
kegerator; the above is a picture from a recent AMD event in which things apparently got a
little out of hand. The company started by talking up its upcoming Dragon platform (Phenom II X4,
Radeon 4800 graphics, and 7-series chipset), took a few moments to discuss how its new 45nm chips will use 30-50 percent less power than their predecessors, and then threw all notions of sensibility out the window in an attempt to see just how fast the darned things could go. A Phenom II X4 managed 4GHz with air-cooling, 4.4GHz with a refrigerated setup, and finally a "stable" 5GHz on liquid nitrogen. That's mighty fast, but will the chips be quick enough to tackle Intel's mighty
Core i7 when stripped of their fancy-pants cooling appendages? We'll see when they ship early next year.
[Image courtesy of
Legit Reviews]
posted Nov 21st 2008 10:47AM
dam AMD finaly did something right for a change
/AMD fan boy :D
For everyone's sake lets hope they can put up a fight with Intel. My last system build was an X2 5200 good machine, but the Core 2s came out right after I built her and it made me cry. I am now gearing up for a new build and I am seriously considering i7, but if somehow AMD could pull an upset I would be giddy. Either way the competition does wonders for the market. As long as there is an Intel we need an AMD. AMD forces Intel to innovate and damn, the last couple have years have been exciting.
AMD vs Intel = whoever is making the best chip at the time
Nvidia vs ATI = ATI fanboy go go 4870 X2 you are so hawt in a good way. Good to see ATI on top again.
I won't make the same mistake with mobos again my next mobo will be an ASUS.
P.S.
Engadget please do a story on the Silverstone Raven RV01 or at least get some dirt as to win we can see this bad boy stateside.
http://www.silverstonetek.com/raven/
Yeah, hopefully running on liquid nitrogen, an overclocked AMD can beat a $320 Intel processor.
Here is an article that talks about the setup AMD used during the demonstration in good detail and the benefits the 45nm process provides for the chip designer: http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=6455
I really hope AMD makes comes out with a good product. We need a strong competitor to Intel.
AMD needs good product
good product needs large R&D dept.
Large R&D dept needs Money
AMD does not have Money. =(
we need fuel for the flux capacitor!
all your makes comes to us
AMD really just needs to come out with a cheaper platform that performs better then the current Intel C2 line. In all honest AMD isn't going to topple the i7, but if they can keep the how platform price down and get something out before Intel brings out the mainstream i7 chipsets and more cpu models they have a chance to get back some of their past glory. If the P55, G55, G51, etc Intel chipsets hit before the new AMD chips do, its not going to be pretty.
Personally I wouldn't consider buying an i7 till the next year when the platform price as a whole get a LOT cheaper. Min $300 CPU, Min $300 Mobo, plus upgrading to DDR3 does not make for a cheap transition from my Q6600. Plus even upgrading from my current system is pretty hard to justify in the next year anyway.
hexus.net are already trying to set a world overclock on the i7.
http://tv.hexus.net//show/2008/11/Benchtec_UK_World_Record_attempt_part_3_-_Out_comes_the_LN2/
We will just have to wait to see which one comes out better!
How many times can this guy say 'basically'
http://tv.hexus.net//show/2008/11/Benchtec_UK_World_Record_attempt_part_3_-_Out_comes_the_LN2/
with that limmater it wont be much of a record saddly..
and no the extream edishon dosent count..
bc its not as commen as water..
im more intersted in commen consumer parts
"How many times can this guy say 'basically'"
Not as many times as Carmack can say 'in there'
"Yay for the underdog" says an AMD fanboy since their K6-2 300Mhz.
my first system was a sis 330 k62 500Mhz..
ive been hooked ever since :D
I upgraded a 200mhz Packard bell P1 to an AMD K6-2 500 with a firmware chip swap back in the day. That any my pirated copy of windows 98 (a!) where the shizzle!
I turned that K6-2 into a refrigerator magnet after a storm took the whole thing out. It' still doing it's duty holding my Chinese take out menu to the food box. Go AMD!
My first laptop had a K6 chip and it flew! It's a shame how far AMD has fallen since then.
i wouldn't mind getting it, especially if it was significantly cheaper than than core i7 and still preformed well
Except what will REALLY happen is that AMD will delay the everliving crap out of it and by the time it actually comes to market you can get an Intel i7 that outperforms it for the same or less money.
The delays are what is really killing AMD. They do know how to make a decent product, they just can't do it in a timely manner. That is why Intel is, quite literally, crushing them.
they changed the model number to from 20350 to 920, thank the lord!
This is great to see, AMD really needs to get out of this rut. Sure, they offer a nice selection of low and midrange products but Intel's highend dominance needs at least some competition. Want more details
That guy with the blue gloves is really bringing the intensity to this photo. I'm trying to come up with a clever caption for him, but my humor and wit usually escapes me this early in the day.
"if i tweak this it will up the fpGCI (floating point green cucumber intensity) of the graph by 1000%"
"Hey, when we're done, wanna do a liquid nitrogen kegstand?"
"Mester....the precesser es reedy!"
Here we see an early experiment in the search for River Tam.
"I haven't been laid in 3.26 years!"
I really hope so because I am more than willing to buy AMD over Intel any day of the week :)
Umm... liquid nitrogen ;)
i prefer the liquid hidrogen..
But your right, Liquid Nitrogen is FAR more easy to get hold of.
That sun of a bitch is ice cold.
Reference aside, your ice is pretty cold or your liquid nitrogen is pretty warm if you think that is only "ice" cold.
This could be a good sign, the real problem with the current phenom's is that they didn't seem to scale upwards very well. And the old fab process.
As a "fanboy" of whoever is fastest for my money, I cant wait to see what happens here!
(Went from a AMD64 X2 setup to a C2Q one)
I'm also currently on AMD64 X2. But my problem now is that AMD's chipsets are consistently rated worse than Intel chipsets. I'm planning to get myself this spring Intel mobo for Intel CPU + DDR3. AMD would release first DDR3 system this spring and I doubt that first systems would be stable enough.
At least I hope that AMD/ATI would fix the idle power consumption of 4870 - otherwise I would have to go again with something from nVidia.
I thought the 7 series was the most advanced chipset when it was released compared to Intel and Nvidia.
8 series will support DDR3 but its not released until next year. Behind everyone else
I'm still happy with my Athlon X2 4400+, oh wait i already replaced it with Intel E8400...
What the hell do they get from all of this? Do they really use this bull crap for work? pointless piece of crap, go get a real job.
Yes they do use this stuff for work purposes, and they do have a proper job. If you're going to just insult them, then I suggest you find something better to do with your time.
Sounds like someone lost their job because they weren't smart enough and so has anger issues.
Dude, playing with liquid nitrogen is *always* worthwhile. Killjoy. :-(
I have actually been to lan parties where this stuff was going on. Its pretty cool, but the goal of it isnt to show off... Its to put it in peoples hands and do a few things:
-Get feedback from the far end so there is padding when released to the masses with just normal air and water cooling setups.
-generate interest for an upcoming product
-Figure out any quirks or things that need to be changed, going outside the box (lab) with real world tests and scenarios they may not have expected.
"30 – 40% performance increase over all."
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"AMD is claiming a 30 – 40% power consumption reduction under full load and up to a 50% reduction under idle conditions"
Sounds like a good formula to me. Now I'm stuck with building a new rig. Just about to buy E8500 but I'd rather take AMD over Intel. I may as well wait until the end of December and buy the hard and optical drive now along with the graphics card and be ready for benchmarks. If they're not satisfactory then I'll go with Intel.
If I were you I'd wait to see if the new AMD boards will support USB 3.0 or not.
Does anyone know if the "Dragon" chips will use the AM2+ socket or will AMD using a new socket with the 7 series chipset?
Uses the AM2+ and the AM3 Socket. Obviously The AM3 has something the AM2+ but I don't know what it is but it may be hyper transport or cool and quiet.
It's good to see AMD fight back. Noone wants an Intel monopoly.
http://www.mynewplace.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/monopoly-guy.jpg
^ he is down for it..
Now i know what to do with all that liquid nitrogen i have laying around.
didn't want to steal silla huh?
Pfff... this won't help me watch porn faster...
The fastest processor on Earth is worthless without an internet connection to match.
- Chinese Proverb
Ummm... how fast does porn really need to be?
"TechRadar found that the new Nehalem Xeons at 2.8GHz scored favorably in SPECfp benchmark with a score of 160 as compared to a score of 90 for Intel's current Penryn-based Xeons running at 3.4GHz"
Would love to see some numbers other than megahurtz myths
This is hilarious - the picture looks like they are putting a car on a dynamometer, but it's just a computer!
Dude, I know! It looks like putting a tomato in the blender, but it's only a fruit, not a vegetable!
Did they allow you to use words like "snot" at journalism school?
More high res images added to the HH article here: http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/amd-overclocks-the-snot-out-of-phenom-ii-processors/
Doh! Sorry, cut and paste error... The new images are here at the HH article:
http://hothardware.com/News/AMD-Sneak-Peeks-Phenom-II-Overclocks-To-5GHz/
You all have just been owned!!!
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,8389.html
you mean 6 ghz?
YOU DARE QUESTION THE CREDIBILITY OF ENGADGET?!
YOU MUST DIE.
Well, I used to work for AMD (6 years total), and was a total AMD fan. Working there has it's ups and downs. When they are on top, they are making money and are good to their employees. When they aren't making money, there's always that thought of new layoffs.
Things have changed somewhat though. I'll still continue to use AMD in any desktop at home (currently have 4 of them), but I won't get a laptop with AMD inside. I can save a lot of money on an AMD platform, but the saving in a notebook isn't worth it. I have three laptops with core2duos (lenovo t61, xps m1330 and studio 15). If AMD could make some better mobile chips, they may see profitability again. The high end desktop chip doesn't really make that much money for these guys, though it does help with their image. The low volumes just don't help that much. The server space and mobile space, where the premiums are higher are where it's at. That's why I'm glad they are skipping out of the netbook race. That's a market just asking to lose money and already dieing out.
I've never had an AMD last for more than about 2.5 years and i don't clock them. My intel is now going strong after more that 3 years. AMD needs more dilithium crystals or maybe more cowbell.....................
If AMD would stop issuing BS press releases and concentrate on making better chips they may have a chance of staying out of Bankruptcy court.
In the latest BS, they talk about huge over clocking figures. Sounds great, All we have to do is buy a tank of liquid Nitrogen to achieve these wonderful levels. WHAT A JOKE !!
Another thing. Does anyone realize that in all their benchmark comparisons they almost always compare the data against only OLD AMD CHIPS, NOT AGAINST INTEL;S CURRENT PRODUCTS.
By the way, what happened to all their talk about 3 core Phenoms? Another PR vaunted chips that were a huge flop.
Fancy-pants is such an underrated term
We will all laugh at this in the future when 5 GHz will become a standard for processors.
I don't think that is an accurate prediction. that is like saying by 2010 we should see cars that rev to 15000 rpms.
People don't care about a 5ghz number, they care about speed. The new Nehalem clocked at 2.8ghz is almost twice as fast as the processor it is replacing which is clocked at 3.4.
F1 cars have already been shown to rev to 21,000+ rpm :)
Well Well Well! Rediculous tests. Maybe I am wrong because I am NOT a PC gamer, but that is the bulk of people interested in new chips. These geeks and their cult following of AMD they have been doing it for years. Very few AMD processsor's have outperformes intel, there are some, but few! Now all you fanboy's........All those years you took advantage of the low prices of AMD's processors, I think (and this is only opinion mind you) that maybe that has contributed to it's downfall. Less profitabiulity and profit margin on cheap chips that may in most circumstances only equal rival chipmakers offerings. I hate AMD. Because I hate Nerds and geeks and PC gamers and especially their snoody leet speak or whatever and all their secret words and codes on forums. I work in IT and I love technlogy, but all these new processors and video cards don't make my life any better or easier. I lvoe intel because they have never done me wrong, and I will not be a cheap ass and compromise brand loyalty for lower price, because like a loyal dog intel has never let me down. Whenever I owned an AMD machine.....it constantly shit in my house. So to sum it up doing this test makes AMD look bad. Intel is cruising along, not making news with rediculous overclocking for no good reasons and not even any games necessary for it and it has mainstream offerings that are kicking AMD's but. The i7 doesn't need a semi truck to cool it to play the latest game, and probably neither does AMD, but like a hot slutt it has to try to look it's best to impress! Oh yeah and one more thing.......................Console Gaming For Life!!!
you're wrong.
Sounds great. But where could I get some liquid nitrogen oxyde, also i will have to have permit and license to use it. Imagine going to the collection point to collect your nitrogen "hello,you again how many people you killed today" you will look like a murderer from CSI , well if you do not suffocate yourself while running full resolution on crisys. You will pay large sums ,but also ultimate proce your life.
We see alot of reactions from people that are negative towards AMD. Years ago, if it would not have been for AMD; Intel would not exist today. AMD was the one that gave Intel the technology. AMD does not have to spend millions of dollars on advertising; unlike Intel, to stay alive. AMD was the first to break 1Ghz; kicking Intel's butt. They will do it again. The big merger between AMD and Abu Dahbi/IBM will pull AMD way ahead Intel in the months ahead. We here at XXtreme Computers have only support AMD since our opening in 2002. We have broke Intel's record numerous times by overclocking AMD processors using TEC technology. If you like computer freezes, then go with the second hand Intel processors. Not one freeze from AMD. The new XXtreme Computers' "Goliath" platform will hit the market in Spring 2009 with the new Phenom II processors. Once again XXtreme Computers will prove that we build the world's fastest PC using AMD and Nvidia technology; along with the use of Super Talent SSDs. Intel has no chance of victory in 2009!!
AMD is honestly better than intel. Go AMD Go.