Nokia N97 vs iPhone... Fight!
By Thomas Ricker 
posted Dec 2nd 2008 3:51AM
posted Dec 2nd 2008 3:51AM
[Photo courtesy of Robert Scoble]
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It's a knockout. D-UH.
Finally, an upgrade to my n95. Skip the rest of junk
because it looks like a 1st gen iPhone...
What is this about resistive touch screen.. oooh that is a bag of hurt
Oh no... Someone's gonna get PWN'D :O
Apple hateboys activated!
and vice versa
The N97 looks easier to hold, more scratch resistant, more useful, less hipster-y
Basically better
That iPhone looks mangled. All these [insert new phone here] vs. iPhone: FIGHT! are taking a toll on Apple's prodigy device lol
Im waiting for the N97 VS Xperia. It would be like an Xecution to me.
first!
at what
Real fast guys!! Cool phone(s)~
When will the clone be available on Deal Extreme?
When will your lame comments?
*points* THAT one!
Definitely looks better in black.
That was fast.
Yup. Here we go again...I'm really digging the N97 though. The styling is really impressive. I'm looking forward to it.
Nokia FTW!
"WixosTrix @ Dec 2nd 2008 4:12AM - Who the f**k would be able to afford to buy a phone with all that? - That can't have a phone for $600, do a revision for $200, and another revision for god knows how much."
Anyone outside the US probably. My guess is this'll be free on contract in the UK.
@iEye:
You left out the integrated hadron collider
does it matter?
thats not an image of the world.. that's the actual world.
Steve Jobs created an iPhone so big it could swallow the earth whole.
Dont press the decline button because we will all die
HAR HAR HAR!
lol
Thickness comparison please!
this is the important thing for consumers and the Nokia is BIGGER so I do not think it will do very well, probably not even as well as the N95.
This is better suited to go against the Xperia, which even then it looses.
iPhone: 115 mm x 61 mm x 11 mm
iPhone 3G: 115.5 mm x 62.1 mm x 12.3 mm
Nokia N97: 117.2 mm x 55.3 mm x 15.9 mm
It's beautiful.
http://sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/20333-iPhone-3G-vs-Nokia-N97
Here you go (sorta):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/scobleizer/3076056787/sizes/l/
dude, u can tell the thickness by the shadow!
its atleast twice in size!
PUNCH HIM IN THE BUTTON!
One has copy and paste, A2DP, a QWERTY keyboard, and a screen resolution which is 1.5 times larger than its rival.
Meanwhile, the rival has a (inconsistently) walled garden and a smug bastard swimming in sacrificial fanboy donations from Cupertino.
Hmm.
You might want to check Touch Pro, which has 2x iPhone's resolution, has copy / paste and is available now. Oh, and it has 2 extra keyboard rows compared to the N97.
"One has copy and paste, A2DP, a QWERTY keyboard, and a screen resolution which is 1.5 times larger than its rival."
Maybe it's just me and the fact that it's nearly two in the morning, but none of the engadget articles (nor the links that they reference) state the Nokia specs that you are stating. Not even the video posted in the linked article shows copy and paste. You must be thinking of another phone.
"Meanwhile, the rival has a (inconsistently) walled garden and a smug bastard swimming in sacrificial fanboy donations from Cupertino."
Say what you will about Job's smugness, but realize this: Apple has accomplished what it has set out to do - make itself different from Microsoft. That appeals to people, and they become the fanboys you so deride. Because of these fanboys, Apple will have a stable share in the computer marketplace for at least a few more years, while garnering a majority of the mp3/smartphone market.
Love 'em or loathe 'em, Apple's at the top. Can you blame them for being smug?
I honestly think that Nokia needs to work on their publicity more. As good as their handsets are, those handsets won't make a dent if no one's heard of them.
The Touch Pro is also fatter, has a much smaller screen, a worse camera, and even worse battery life.
However, I *will* be extremely interested in seeing what HTC will be making in response to this device. HTC HD Pro? That's a "...Fight!" I would love to see.
"Maybe it's just me and the fact that it's nearly two in the morning, but none of the engadget articles (nor the links that they reference) state the Nokia specs that you are stating. Not even the video posted in the linked article shows copy and paste. You must be thinking of another phone."
It's almost five in the morning here so I don't blame you. You can find the data sheet which shows the screen resolution and A2DP deliciousness here:
http://www.nokia.com/NOKIA_COM_1/Press/Materials/White_Papers/pdf_files/data_sheets2008/Data_Sheet_Nokia_N97.pdf
And for the last bit, when was the last time you didn't see copy and paste on an S60 flagship device? Especially one with a QWERTY keyboard? Hell, even Nokia's non-S60 internet tablets (which this device takes nearly all of its design cues from) have copy and paste.
"Say what you will about Job's smugness, but realize this: Apple has accomplished what it has set out to do - make itself different from Microsoft. That appeals to people, and they become the fanboys you so deride. Because of these fanboys, Apple will have a stable share in the computer marketplace for at least a few more years, while garnering a majority of the mp3/smartphone market."
Certainly! And even better, they've forced all the mobile phone companies to make even better products. For that I am eternally grateful...
"Love 'em or loathe 'em, Apple's at the top. Can you blame them for being smug?"
...However, I certainly don't have to sit around and say nothing while a hilariously uneven comparison is being staged by Engadget for the benefit of getting more ad revenue. Then again, I guess we just played into that, didn't we?
*shrug*
"I honestly think that Nokia needs to work on their publicity more. As good as their handsets are, those handsets won't make a dent if no one's heard of them."
I agree! Although, that's only really true for North America. Nokias are so commonplace the moment I cross the Atlantic.
Then again, the USA (unfortunately) isn't really the place for really nice and uncompromising superphones; we're left with the scraps thrown to us by evil bastard carriers :(
You Shall Not forget the 5Mpx + flash + autofocus Camera !
32 Gb vs 8/16 Gb.
Félix, we want to educate people, not completely disillusion them and make them abjectly depressed ;)
"Not even the video posted in the linked article shows copy and paste."
Copy and paste is a standard on Nokia phones, unlike the one on the left..
One also will have 3 times the price. If Nokia actually wanted to compete in this market they should have skimmed down on some features and got their price at an introductory level. This will sell for something like $700+ or you can get an Iphone for $200.
Hmm?
Where in the world can you get an iPhone for just $200?
Last time I checked, they cost (on AT&T): $200 + (24*$30).
If this phone goes on sale at $550, then it will cost $10 less than the iPhone 3G ($550+(24*$15)). How come no one remembers AT&T data plans cost half as much for unlocked Nokia phones?
But even if it costs slightly more than the iPhone, let's not forget that you're getting quite a lot more phone for the price as well.
WINNAR IS U
2 years later?
It took nokia 2 years to come out with something better?
too little too late!
Wait for the next iPhone!!!
-integrated pico projector
-holographic display
-Zero-Point Energy Field Manipulator
Integrated flux capacitor also???
Nokia already had something better even before the first iPhone was out. It was called the N95.
Who the f**k would be able to afford to buy a phone with all that?
That can't have a phone for $600, do a revision for $200, and another revision for god knows how much.
still no copy/paste, MMs, or 21st century bluetooth support. \o/
holy crap! there's no iPhone 3.0 until 2019?
I'm guessing whoever that number belongs to will be getting a lot of calls.
Hah, it is blurred now. Fail.
What was that FAIL number?
1-617-451-????
some serious fail there...
I think it looks better than the iPhone. What does everyone else think?
Looking sharp so far. As long as it doesn't turn out to be a brick in terms of thickness, seems like a real winner in the form factor department.
When I see the microUSB port at the left, I kinda cringed a bit tho (regarding form factor).
Did you guys really put someones number out there? I'm glad none of you guys are my friends.
Both look terrible in that photo. Horrible lighting, partly out of focus, etc.
He propably took the picture with an iPhone.
Camera: Canon EOS 5D
Exposure: 0.003 sec (1/320)
Aperture: f/3.5
Focal Length: 50 mm
ISO Speed: 1600
Exposure Bias: 0 EV
Flash: Flash did not fire
Also the camera took this picture before the phone was annouced. 1:40pm December 1st. obviously someone is haxxing Nokia.
"Camera: Canon EOS 5D
Exposure: 0.003 sec (1/320)
Aperture: f/3.5
Focal Length: 50 mm
ISO Speed: 1600
Exposure Bias: 0 EV
Flash: Flash did not fire"
How about you turn the iso down a some are you shooting in the dark?
turn your AP up say 8.0 and fix this stupid photo... you can hand hold at about 1/32-1/16 if you have steady hands.
or just set it up to bracket your photos. they you might get one that looks good.
And make sure your flash is on
Scott - a flash will just add harsh, unnatural lighting and make things worse.
A quick "preview" is available here: http://scobleizer.com/2008/12/02/nokia-n97-the-ultimate-facebook-device/
I think the iPhone is a good product with the potential to become a great product, but it really needs something with a marketing push just as strong, along with the ease of use and features the iPhone has.
I want to get an iPhone (I'm a Mac user as well), but I'm not ready to yet. I want to see the potential. And the N97, while looking to be an amazing product in its own right, also gives a glimmer of hope for those of us wanting to see the realization of the iPhone.
I can choose now!
I love iPhone so much.
And I love Nokia so much 2.
The iPhone is only good because of the touchscreen, as a phone the Nokia N97 shits all over it.
If I had the choice the N97 definitely gets my vote, too many Apple fanbois out there who cant handle the truth, and to prove my point watch how this gets lower ranked ;)
+1 votes for you, sir
I'm sorry, but to say the only good thing about the iPhone is the touch screen and that the new Nokia shits all over it is being a fanboi in its own right. The Anti-iPhone-Fanboi-Fanbois are the worst.
It's hardly being a fanboi,
its called having more sense then being in love with Steve Jobs. Anyone who knows about mobile phones knows clearly the iPhone when it comes to hardware capable is crap and can be beaten by a $100 phone.
Really? I could have sworn that the iPhone was one of the more powerful and fully featured phones on the market hardware wise. I mean, I was told it could play 3D games and handle graphics that rival that of portable gaming devices. I really seem to fail to see how a $100 phone can come close to that. Oh, must have been one of those crazy fanbois. They just spread around all kinds of crap, seems like thats all fanbois do. Oh wait, sorry, thats what you are doing.
rofl you have no idea Squid7085.. Nokia has been able to play 3d games for years.
and I love the apple logo next to the mug-shot on your avator ;)
the iPhone is seriously lacking in a lot of important features both hardware and software, I was excited to buy a 3g iPhone before it was getting released and had saved up to buy one, then it was released with poor specifications and was that bad to turn me off it, so went for a N78 instead
Really? I have no idea. I know how to spell Avatar.
I think its a bit biased coming from someone who actually has an iPhone and says they "love it to death"
I actually prefer carrying around my Ipod Touch and Nokia N78 instead of getting an iPhone, thats how poor they have made the "Phone" part
Michael, it doesn't help your cause to deny reality, and it only makes you look like a bigger moron than Apple fanboys. The iPhone is not a perfect device by any measure, but it is ludicrous to compare the iPhone's hardware to a $100 POS phone. It's camera is crappy, but the rest is high-spec. It has a 600mhz ARM11 with FP and DSP, Power MBX lite graphics chip, 3.5" capacitive touchscreen with multi-touch, 3-axis accelerometer. All of this in a sleek, ultra-thin aluminum shell.
If you want to dog on the iPhone, then call out it's poor camera, lack of video recording, MMS, A2DP bluetooth, lack of QWERTY, closed platform, etc.... But don't waste our time and make yourself look stupid by writing nonsense.
Squid, it's the fanboys actually.
anyone know the processor and ram specs of this phone?
Not sure about the processor but there are definitely no sheep in this phone.
Was that the phone number of the Nokia that you guys quickly removed from the iPhone? Can I call it? You guys were not fast enough to remove it... :)
There are tons of phones out there who will beat the crap out of the iPhone in terms of specs, but still after a year and a half no one has even came near to the UI of the iPhone. It's actually quite funny how people always compare the state of the art phone against such an underspecced phone. When Jobs said his phone is going to change the mobile market, he was right. It has led to many cellphone innovations from all parties who were set out to be the next "iPhonekiller", which is a good thing ofcourse.
Of course, those iPhone Killers were actually proved to be iPhone sellers. Take Blackberry Storm. After TWO years, that's the best they could do???
To borrow from Denny Green, "you wanna crown 'em, then crown their ass!!!". This phone looks great, and if it's performance is decent, and can be used on Verizon I'll ditch my iPhone. But, we haven't seen one review, so I'll hold off on calling it a "iPhone killer" since the only one so far has been the 3G. This actually has me excited more than the iPhone did due to it's full keypad, ridiculously large memory, and 16x9 screen.
sorry it wont work with Verizon. GSM FTW
Steve Jobs will probably announce the iPhone successor in January and have it out before Q2 when this phone ships.
Although the N97 has better resolution than the iPhone, it's beaten by many other phone such as the HTC Touch Pro and the Xperia X1.
They really should have made the screen WVGA (800x 480) or better.
I wouldn't be surprised if the next iPhone has a 720p HD display.
Well it's not like Nokia sleeps for half a year. Eldar have been talking about February announcements(Mobile World Congress).
Just don't get if the resolution is SO important to you why aren't you trolling iphone posts all the time? I mean even 5800 got higher resolution screen.
Sorry. Even S40 phones seem to be coming with same or better reso than iphone(6260 slide).
@ Johan S
Really? Not even a little surprised?
I'd be in complete and utter shock.
Why not just 1080p screen?
Oh and an electron microscope, so that I can see individual pixels on that ~3" screen.
This fetish with HD scren is starting to make the 'megapixel myth' look like reasonable.
If Apple ups the screen resolution on the iPhone v3, how will 3rd party apps handle the change? Will they 'just work'?
@Aaron
Yeah they will just work. Is that even difficult? The phone just has to detect it's a 1st gen app and then adjust accordingly (make 1 pixel = 2 or whatever). Also, many apps are resolution independent.
Yes, it is difficult. A lot of WM apps don't work on many of the more obscure resolution phones.
If 1 app = 2 screen pixels then that would mean the iPhone v3 would need a 960×640 screen. I can't see that happening! Any fraction (1 = 1.5, etc) would make the UI look like a total mess.
It's a 5800 with a slide out Qwerty for double the price?
Still looks pretty good.
See the video of the UI in action?
So much smoother then the buggy OSX UI that the iPhone uses, not to mention more professional looking. When the iPhone was first released it was cool as it was so unique, but now its starting to get very outdated and unprofessional.
Not to mention the more "useful" apps that are compatible with this compared to that of the iPhone and the little kid apps
Someone here seems awfully frustrated. It's nice how *you* can tell the nokia UI is less buggy than the iPhone's by watching just one promotional video.
By the way, shouldn't you be doing your homework or watching sesame street or something?
Symbian is far less buggy then OSX on the iPhone, and judging by the other "N" series products its superior quality.
I've already finished school with a high mark, I think you're the one who might need to go back if by some miracle you graduated. I really question your knowledge on mobile OS's, but then again all iPhone fanboi's have no idea.
Wow Michael you tried really hard to sound smart, but your sentence still sounded like crap.
"Symbian is far less buggy then OSX on the iPhone, and judging by the other "N" series products its superior quality."
Judging by the other "N" series productions, Symbian is far less buggy than OSX on the iPhone.
Is that all you have to say? Mr English Nazi?
English isn't my first language so I couldn't care less what you have to say.
All I know is you're yet another Apple fanboi whose been hurt because you spent hundreds on a POS phone. Symbian is far superior than OSX.
YES! High end s60 touch screen phone would be so nice!
I said time and again, the 5800 is good concept but is unfortunately dissapointingly slow. BUT, if Nokia makes good, FAST touchscreen phone in s60, this will be very good product. I hope they do.
Come on Nokia, wake up.
That picture is exactly why i will never buy a touchscreen phone until they stop making regular keypad phones, they look disgusting with all the oily fingerprints and marks.
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=241&p=1784
has a hands on experience with the pre pre production version and give at a fairly good review
Apple just shit their pants. They've got a lot to do but who cares this is a real beast and I can't wait. This is my next phone.
You really think apple is shitting their pants? You know that their next gen phone is in development before they release anything right? You think Nokia has a patent on 5mp cameras and qwerty keyboards? The Iphone lacks those things because it can and still be the number one selling phone. The day it becomes necessary for the iphone to have the n97's features to compete in the market with be about 3 months after it already does. Apple shitting their pants... you've got to be shitting me.