Details are in, Nokia has a new flagship phone. The N97 packs a 3.5-inch, 640 x 360 pixel (that's a 16:9 aspect ratio) resistive touchscreen display with tactile feedback and QWERTY keyboard into this sliding communicator with an "always open" window to favorite internet or social networking sites. Nokia calls it the "world's most advanced mobile computer." To back up the claim they've dropped in HSDPA, WiFi, and Bluetooth radios, A-GPS, a 3.5-mm headjack, 32GB of onboard memory with microSD expansion (for up to 48GB total capacity), and a battery capable of up to 1.5 days of continuous audio playback or 4.5-hours video. 5 megapixel camera with Carl Zeiss glass and "DVD quality" video capture at 30fps, too. The specs are certainly impressive, let's see if the S60 5th Edition OS can support it. The N97 will launch with a retail price set at around €550 ($693) excluding subsidies and taxes, phone to ship in H1 2009.
Update: Hah, Nokia just boasted on stage at Nokia World that the N97 was the scoop "
Engadget didn't get." O RLY??? Sure looks like the device codenamed Eitri that
we broke to the world last month.
Update 2: Video demonstration after the break.
Update 3: Thanks for the widget love, Nokia (pic after the break, and thanks
Eric).
Read -- Press Release
Read -- A bit more detail
Read -- Even more detail
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 6)
Jake Lyon @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:19AM
So Europe only at this point?
Jake Lyon @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:21AM
Their "SO-LO" Social Location sounds like that one app on the App Store "Loopt". Maybe Nokia can execute it better?
eggothewaffle @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:34AM
Replying here because I know plenty of you are as lazy as me when it comes to scrolling down and reading the rest of the comments:
http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1274500
Here's the juicy bits:
The home screen of the Nokia N97 mobile computer features the people, content and media that matter the most. Friends, social networks and news are available by simply touching the home screen. The 16:9 widescreen display can be fully personalized with frequently updated widgets of favorite web services and social networking sites. The Nokia N97 is also perfectly suited for browsing the web, streaming Flash videos or playing games. Both the physical QWERTY and virtual touch input ensure efficiency in blogging, chatting, posting, sending texts or emailing.
The Nokia N97 supports up to 48 GB of storage, including 32 GB of on-board memory, expandable with a 16 GB microSD card for music, media and more. This is complemented by excellent music capabilities, full support for the Nokia Music Store and continuous playback time of up to 1.5 days. The Nokia N97 also has a 5-Megapixel camera with high-quality Carl Zeiss optics, 16:9 and DVD quality video capture, and support for services like Share on Ovi for immediate sharing over HSDPA and WLAN.
The Nokia N97 is expected to begin shipping in the first half of 2009 at an estimated retail price of EUR 550 before taxes or subsidies.
KingKash @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:37AM
forget about the iphone 3.0 imma gonna get this..
hopefully nokia launches it near the iphone launch... so its not that old when i want to compare the both...
the sad thing is.. i'm sure nokia has done something to totally ruin it.. and with my latest customer care [or lack of care infact] experience pushes me towards apple the more..
dont get my wrong.. i HATE the iphone, its stupid, silly, feature-less, a dinosaur... but i still want one.. *rips out hair* *cries uncontrollably WHY WHY WHY???*
eggothewaffle @ Dec 2nd 2008 4:53AM
One last thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VIGgBTgsMk
Looking at the phone being used, it seems to be as amazingly responsive as the E71.
*drool*
G Man @ Dec 2nd 2008 5:44AM
Get the National Guards over!
My room is flooded with drool ffs
tonicguard-opentable @ Dec 2nd 2008 7:44AM
Replying here because I know I won't get any answers otherwise. The acid jazz background music in the videos is dope. Can anyone please identify?
Christian @ Dec 4th 2008 11:02AM
I don't know.. Nokia if your listening or read this comments, I have two thoughts on how to make this thing really unbeatable.
(1) Xenon flash, which I thought would have been a no brainer this time around. oh well...
(2) If I know Nokia, it's already looking to take some of that PSP revenue away from Sony. Why not take advantage of the screen size and add some buttons to make this thing play like a PSP??? Like recessed buttons on the top and bottom of the phone and maybe on the sides as well (you can have them perform dual or triple functions for other apps as well) Food for thought.
groovegsp @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:19AM
Need to see video. asap.
thef1re @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:55AM
link to live keynote video
http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/
TheAfro'Geek @ Dec 2nd 2008 6:01AM
Feast your eyes on this Quicktime video demo of the N97.
http://www.nokia.com/A41445512
I do hope things are as smooth as they look in the demo with fancy transitions. It's more animation than real video like the Apple ads being accused of being misleading out in the UK.
I'd say the N97's killer feature is the 6 information panels on the home screen. The XPERIA X1 was first out the door with this concept but I think the N97 nails it because the panels function like an RSS reader. I think this is a lot more useful utilization of the home screen than a desktop with icons (iPhone, G1, Storm, Touch HD).
2009 The cellphone 2.0 war begins!
Poom @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:19AM
First flagship S60 touch! So excited!!
Poom @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:59AM
holy shit! Now that the specs are up, this is such a perfect phone!! Only Xenon flash and it'd have everything I'd ever want in a phone right now.
Nomi @ Dec 2nd 2008 8:58AM
Judging by how well the N95 did...this is going to be sick...
Joseph @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:20AM
If this is an N810 with a phone, I think it could be a real winner.
Kendal @ Dec 2nd 2008 4:20AM
@ Derx- reply to the points, not the person. Looks like you can't.
@ De Eresser, hardware is limited by the software that runs on it. Let me know when S60 stops living in the 90s and catches up to iPhone's OSX. Oh, and where's that Nokia App store?
This N97 looks like the Nokia Navigator phones that were big and unwieldy, except it has a touchscreen now. I'm sure it'll be implemented well...and all those S60 apps which follow interface guidelines so carefully will do the same with touch...
Aaron @ Dec 2nd 2008 6:09AM
"Oh, and where's that Nokia App store?"
Nokia's app store is called Download! and it's been available for over a year. You can also buy games through the N-Gage app.
CJ @ Dec 2nd 2008 7:29AM
Not to mention that pretty much every type of app you can imagine is already available for S60 (provided that verison 5 supports them). All you need is google and the internet.
Hell, you don't even need a computer, you can use the built-in web browser (or opera, or mozilla; pretty much any S60 browser you want.)
utahnkid @ Dec 2nd 2008 8:17AM
Don't even mention the "download store" next to the app store - they're not even in the same league. Apple has created SUCH a better environment for programmers with the iPhone you would have no reason to code for any other device. iTunes is far far far more developed than Nokia's music store and has WAAY more content as well. It's so sad it has so much storage space on it that will only get used by the tech elites. We're all comfortable with ripping and encoding movies in the proper format but sadly for companies like Nokia we're at the top, lonely 3%.
The thing that worries me is they haven't even bothered to really get into the software it runs, it's like they're taking cues from every uber nerd on these message boards and just worrying about pushing advanced hardware like EVERY other (failed) phone to come before it (and please don't forget that the Storm after only a week or so, has been all but completely forgotten). I don't know if a CUSTOM (as in from the ground up, built specifically for THAT device, custom), slick OS is just incredibly difficult to actually pull of or they just don't see how insanely important it is, but it seems like EVERY phone manufacturer to come directly at the iPhone hasn't realized this. The iPhone will continue to dominate over every other smart phone because they developed one for the masse, one that EVERY kind of person can lust after, even the people that would normally never even care about a "smart phone". This is just another device with features that only the most elite nerd even knows, or cares about using.
You can add this to the list of soon to be forgotten and replaced phones. Next please.
Brandon L @ Dec 2nd 2008 8:52AM
@utahnkid
You ever stop to think that MAYBE Nokia wasn't aiming for the iPhone with this N97?
Especially at the price point, and the OS especially, the N97 is probably suited for those tired of Win Mo (raises hand) and actually know how to use a smart phone and don't have to resort to a 'phone for the masses' (iPhone).
Aaron @ Dec 2nd 2008 8:56AM
Nice rant, utahnkid. You seem to be forgetting that the N95 sold 15mil units and the N73 sold 22mil units.
If those figures aren't mass market, I don't know what is. So much for "elite nerds".
superklye @ Dec 2nd 2008 10:21AM
@utahnkid
You know...the iPhone could very well be the best phone/device ever created...but it's the raging douche rocket fantards (much like you!) who own them that guarantee I will never, EVER even use one out of fear that someone might see me and assume I'm a mindset Jobbs-blowing idiot like you.
The only comparison that needs to be made to the iPhone is whether or not the N97 is an iPhone. It's not. Which means those who choose to buy and use this phone won't be part of the lamest group of self-important stuck up schills the world has ever seen.
superklye @ Dec 2nd 2008 10:23AM
Damn it...that should've been "mindless" not "mindset"
Stupid Apple iTards get me so annoyed I rush through my posts without proofreading. :(
utahnkid @ Dec 2nd 2008 10:30AM
I know you don't have any friends because you say "iTard".
I'd argue with you if it wasn't so obvious you hadn't hit puberty yet.
sntXrrr @ Dec 2nd 2008 11:43AM
@utahnkid: a truly custom OS plus associated hardware costs about a half billion euros to develop. That's a huge risk for a single manufacturer (heard this from a lead designer from Nokia some months back). It's not an issue when you're starting out like Apple, you'll have to pony up the costs anyway. But you really need to be very successful and sell many millions if you ever want to recoup your investment or even make a profit.
You accuse Nokia of being nerdy? They put info and communication as their focus on their homescreen instead of a sea of nerdy app icons as if it were a desktop computer. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out.
Da Ereeser @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:20AM
I knew it! Game Over Apple!
Kendal @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:23AM
Game over?
1) Phone isn't out yet.
2) It's running S60.
3) I bet it's not even multitouch.
4) Nice form factor if you like fat phones.
derX @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:29AM
Kendal, I'll admit that Da Ereeser's comments are a bit premature, but your response was just....no.
1) Phone isn't out yet---> And your point? Phones are successes (or failures) before they're even released. It's called anticipation and willingness to purchase.
2) It's running S60. --> ...not sure how that's a bad thing (see: global market share).
3) I bet it's not even multitouch.-->...(see: response to point 2)
4) Nice form factor if you like fat phones.--> Judging by your apparent dislike of S60 and penchant for multitouch, I'll assume you enjoy the iPhone greatly. In such a case, that phone's not exactly Milan-thin, if you know what I mean, though it didn't stop it from doing so well. Furthermore, just because a phone isn't so thin it's translucent, doesn't make it fat; I, for one, prefer a device I can feel (but rendered uncomfortable by) in a pocket.
In conclusion, I think you're wrong.
Haaaate @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:32AM
Multitouch is overrated.
At least it has usefull aps. First touchphone with usefull aps?
Kendal @ Dec 2nd 2008 4:16AM
Oh right- forgot this is engadget, where bagging Apple is the "thing" to do.
1: Calling game over when the phone isn't out is just stupid because we all know how well the iPod Killers all worked out.
2: After using S60 on 3 different devices (N95 and e71 and e61), I can safely say that S60 is buggy, slow, and uses a horribly unintuitive interface system.
3: If you've ever used a non-multitouch screen, you'd know why it's a bad thing- not only are they inaccurate (think Viewty, HTC Touch, Storm, Omnia) and unresponsive, but your actions and efficiency are extremely limited.
4) The iPhone doesn't look anywhere near as thick as the N97 does in that photo.
In conclusion, no.
o rly @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:51AM
Kendal : "Oh right- forgot this is engadget, where bagging Apple is the "thing" to do."
Are you sure you're in the right place now? Unless I'm in some sort of Twilight Zone, "bagging" Apple is hardly the "thing to do" on Engadget.
derX @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:54AM
I was going to reply to your comment, but then I reread and saw the following: "Oh right- forgot this is engadget, where bagging Apple is the "thing" to do."
Yeah, Engadget it known for its abhorrence of anything Apple. Completely. Read it in a book. AS SEEN ON TV sticker all over that one.
Yeah, not wasting my time, you've just lost all your credibility.
And I'm not going to continue this juvenile game of "in conclusions" and "nos."
...but I will say, in conclusion, it rhymes with so....
Da Ereeser @ Dec 2nd 2008 4:03AM
Thanks derX. I do admit I was a little excited when I posted but can you blame me? Everyone was. Just to see that Nokia leaped ahead to the next level that Apple was probably going to go to next June/July. Now where does that leave Apple? They HAVE to release something better. This phone has EVERYTHING and MORE that iPhonatics have been begging for since the beginning so it only puts MORE pressure on Apple to do better. The only things I see that I might have a problem with on the N97 is the D-pad being on the left and the small uncentered SPACEBAR.
More Pics Here---> http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=241
eggothewaffle @ Dec 2nd 2008 4:17AM
"2: After using S60 on 3 different devices (N95 and e71 and e61), I can safely say that S60 is buggy, slow, and uses a horribly unintuitive interface system."
What E71 were *you* using? That phone is the most responsive one I have ever used. It makes even the iPhone look like a bag of geriatric bricks.
Taylor @ Dec 2nd 2008 5:08AM
As a person who would buy an iPhone if he had the money at the moment...
This phone looks better but I think it will cost even more.
Information Central @ Dec 2nd 2008 5:16AM
Game over? Idiotic.
Where's the SDK? Without the ability to write real apps for this thing in a legitimate development environment, it has no hope of competing effectively with the iPhone.
Aaron @ Dec 2nd 2008 6:08AM
Information Central [sic] - The SDK is available from Nokia's website: http://forum.nokia.com/main/resources/tools_and_sdks/listings/symbian_cpp_tools.html
The IDE of choice is Eclipse and the programming language of choice is C++.
If you're not a fan of C++, you can also write your apps in POSIX C, Java, Python, Flash, Silverlight, etc.
Get coding! ;)
Notung @ Dec 2nd 2008 6:41AM
@Kendal
As for the speed and responsiveness I can tell without lying to you that the 5800 is frackin' fast and responsive, to the point that I was really, really, surprised.
Some guys here have said that if the N97 is like a N810 with a phone they are in, but I am not sure that I'd agree. I'd love to have a N810 with the touching capabilities(screen and funcionality) of the 5800 WITHOUT the phone, and I would buy one (N810+) immediately
I believe this thing (N97) will touch the street at more than 550 EUR, no question about that
utahnkid @ Dec 2nd 2008 8:46AM
Oh PLEASE! EVERY Apple product to hit Engadget in the past few MONTHS see's nothing but shit on these message boards! How could you even pretend that it's otherwise? Go back and read about the last few releases, even the Engadget writers have routinely begun to add in pithy little side comments (so glossy!). Just go back and actually read if you don't agree.
And I think it's pretty safe to say this phone has already failed. Nokia is losing shares and dropping employees as quickly as EVERY other phone brand (besides one, I'll let you guess who that is) and they can start to kiss their smart phone dominance away if they keep putting out phones running SHIT software like this.
Next.
Mark Anderson @ Dec 2nd 2008 9:23AM
@utahnkid
Listen, son, there are other countries out there you know and they actually include quite a lot of other people - about 6 billion in fact. In most of those countries Apple is a pretty minor player although a welcome one - they make nice stuff after all - and there is a hell of a lot more choice available, at least in terms of phones, than in the US. Why that is is only a question the manufacturers and carriers can answer.
The iPhone 3G sold about 4.5 million units outwith the US in it's launch quarter which is when the majority of smartphone unit sales are made and that's pretty damn impressive. However, if you compare it to Nokia's Q1 launch sales for the N95 it's actually pretty, well, comparable - and bear in mind that Nokia were offering a number of N-Series units as opposed to one model only so there's a lot of sales dilution to, say, the N73, there. The point is that we have more choice here and the iPhone is this season's hottest phone just as the N95 was the previous season's (I'm sure I don't have to remind you comprehensively N-Series sales demolished that of the original iPhone in the UK, Germany and France) and the N97 - or perhaps something else - will be next season's. That's just a fact of life.
Apple have grabbed themselves a nice slice of the pie and will maintain a profitable market because of it however they're never going to compete with Nokia in terms of market share or sales volume because they only offer the one product.
So it goes.
Mikko Tikkanen @ Dec 2nd 2008 10:21AM
Oh, Jeebus.
@ Kendal
"Oh right- forgot this is engadget, where bagging Apple is the "thing" to do."
Are you sure you use the same, Apple-biased, Engadget that the rest of us? :D
"1: Calling game over when the phone isn't out is just stupid because we all know how well the iPod Killers all worked out."
Aaand, we all know how well the Nokia killers all worked out. The exact same thing as with iPods; basically no effect on marketshare.
"3: If you've ever used a non-multitouch screen, you'd know why it's a bad thing- not only are they inaccurate (think Viewty, HTC Touch, Storm, Omnia) and unresponsive, but your actions and efficiency are extremely limited."
Multi-touch. Multi-touch. Multi... touch. The ability to do multi-touch doesn't have anything to do with any of those arguments. You can do slow and unresponsive and... etc. multi-touch screen as well. The key things is the ability to handle multiple inputs. And that technology is basically still nothing else than useless tech demo, specially on mobile screens. "ooo. buy my. me's got multi-touch"
"4) The iPhone doesn't look anywhere near as thick as the N97 does in that photo"
A) N97 has full QWERTY keyboard. How do you figure that when physically adding compratively big things to a product, that it would get smaller somehow? Well, it doesn't.
B) Exactly. "doesn't look". You know, the iPhone has strongly tapered edges/backside. All groovy when you want to show how thin the edges of your phone are BUT... well, use it on level surface and you see the difference. It wobbles. Guess the wobble is just part of the iPhone experience. ;)
Next up...
@ "Information Central"
"Game over? Idiotic.
Where's the SDK? Without the ability to write real apps for this thing in a legitimate development environment, it has no hope of competing effectively with the iPhone."
Where's the SDK? The N97 needs it! Surely, if you can't write freely your own applications to a phone, then the product is crap. Right? ... Oh, wait. Umh. Ever heard of Symbian? No? Well, lets put it this way: The phone in question hasn't even been sold yet and already you can write your own applications with multiple different languages AND there are... well, more ready-to-use applications than you can count.
http://www.s60.com/life/application
Aaand..
@ utahnkid
"Go back and read about the last few releases, even the Engadget writers have routinely begun to add in pithy little side comments (so glossy!). Just go back and actually read if you don't agree."
Ahihiih! Sorry, but that just reminds me of "Leave Britney alone" -video, "Leave Apple alone"... :D Ahem. Anyways. Have you actually had any open minded thoughts of how Apple-biased Engadget actually is? Let's just take the recent Nokia news and release of 5800 EM at Russia. Go read that, then go through the archives and read other stuff and try to think if they really, REALLY don't have any "side comments" on other-than-fruit products? To add the insult, you even agreed yourself that they haven't been non-biased yourself; "have routinely BEGUN", see what you did there? have begun. Not earlier, just now. Maybe it's because everyone is getting sick and tired all of the Apple gloating. Could it be?
(honestly, I don't think so...)
/rant
-M
utahnkid @ Dec 2nd 2008 10:24AM
All I can say is give it time. I'm sure NO ONE would have guessed how quickly Apple would overtake every one of RIM's products with ONE phone but that didn't stop it from happening.
Like I said just look at the trends, not the current numbers. Nokia is losing ground (and employees) just as quickly as every other manufacturer and in such a tight economy you can bet lavish gadgets like this will be the first thing people stop spending money on (and keep in mind the tempting $199 iPhone price tag as you think about that)
Nokia is playing the game the same way they always have and I don't blame them, it's what catapulted them to the success they currently see. Sadly for them the game is rapidly changing and they've spent no (noticeable) time or energy on anything but basic hardware development. It's not the device itself that will enable Apple to continue dominating (and again I say that is in they're growing the fastest, not that thy have the most units this second) the smart phone market, it's things like the App store, the iTunes media store, and the VAST majority of specifically built for 3rd party accessories and integration that will do it. Let me know when EVERY peripheral maker has a product to specifically complement the N97 and the majority of automobile manufacturers offer direct N97 sync and control (something BMW and MB have already created for the iPhone specifically). Nokia will never see those things because they know, as well as everyone else, that this is just another flavor of the week phone soon to be replaced and totally changed.
It's a far safer bet to develop software AND hardware for the a device that even when it's upgraded and changed, will still operate the same and THAT'S why I say the N97 is already dead. It's only time until all the other phone makers realize it doesn't make sense to keep on creating new, shitty phones over and over instead of just focusing on one or two.
utahnkid @ Dec 2nd 2008 10:35AM
If people were sick of "Apple gloating" they wouldn't continue to gain market share while EVERY SINGLE other manufacturer is losing it. Not only are they the only tech company that isn't seeing massive losses and letting people go, they're the only one GAINING and GROWING.
When money got tight and only the best products were purchased, guess what company people turned to.
Uninformed idgit @ Dec 2nd 2008 11:22AM
Lord, someone in Utah needs to get laid.
Mikko Tikkanen @ Dec 2nd 2008 11:49AM
@ utahnkid
"Nokia is losing ground (and employees) just as quickly as every other manufacturer and in such a tight economy you can bet lavish gadgets like this will be the first thing people stop spending money on (and keep in mind the tempting $199 iPhone price tag as you think about that)"
Again. That 550€ is unlocked price. Unlike US, the rest of the world isn't that hot on vendor locking, so people buy unlocked phones as they realize how expensive the vendor locked phones are. Like in here (Finland), in the ads, you are legally bound to show also the actual prize that the phone is going to cost you when you buy it locked. Just a quick calculation for iPhone 3G (with measily 16 GB storage) with small dataplan shows that you end up paying 1000€ for your lavish iPhone (that's 24 month plan, 100 megs of data, 100 minutes of talk and 100 SMS. Of course if you are lucky and end up spending all those "free" minutes, SMS's and MB's then you still end up with 550€ price tag, which you aren't going to reach anyways; you either end up paying for the extra stuff or lose "free" minutes etc.). Now, combine that with ridiculously cheap callrates in Europe and as the competition gets tighter I would presume are going to be as low in the whole world. (like when you make the call within the same provider, you just pay for the first minute, the last are free)
Now, compare all that to say, N97 (just because the article is about it) and tell me again, how again is the iPhone tempting (knowing the limitations it has: no video, no MMS, no true GPS drive instructions capability, not usable while wearing globes etc)? Specially when you know the true price that it's going to cost you, no matter what. And you can't legally change your provider. Of course there is jailbreak but that is why I would still say that the iPhone is not going to be that big of a thing in global marketshare, just because it's vendor locked. It's just filling up the void that is there at the moment. Now, I'm not saying that it's not going to make nicely but I'm still saying it's not going to be huge on global marketshare.
However, I'm going to agree you on one thing. The part of cellphone market is changing which includes lavish techno-toys like iPhone and N97. But to what direction, I'm still not sure.
-M
Mikko Tikkanen @ Dec 2nd 2008 12:09PM
Ooops. Ment to say that "don't know about the direction" about the cellphone market as a business; the vendor lock-ins etc. We might see something that's between the two, who knows. The touch-screens however are here to stay. Unfortunately. Until the point that they finally come up with a touchscreen that deforms to have a actual buttons on it.
WickedEast @ Dec 2nd 2008 4:52PM
I'll take copy&paste over multi-touch any day. Thanks.
Alan Strangis @ Dec 2nd 2008 6:14PM
@ utahnkid: . "Nokia is losing shares and dropping employees as quickly as EVERY other phone brand (besides one, I'll let you guess who that is)"
Uhm, if you weren't such an ignorant prat, I'd let this slide, but you ARE, so... Windows Mobile actually grew 60% faster than the market average in Q3 (Apple's world wide launch), and sold about 8 phones for every 10 iPhones. So it's actually "besides two".
Also worth pointing out: this includes a quarter where Blackberry had only a limited release of the Bold, and no Storm, nothing new from Nokia and no Android numbers.
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1591
Mark Anderson @ Dec 2nd 2008 6:47PM
@utahnkid
"All I can say is give it time. I'm sure NO ONE would have guessed how quickly Apple would overtake every one of RIM's products with ONE phone but that didn't stop it from happening"
When they actually do overtake RIM in terms of subscriptions rather than just in one quarter's launch sales where RIM didn't launch any significant new products (perhaps the tail end included some few Bold sales but I doubt it) then you can raise the flag.
Shall we see what the next two quarters bring?
Hmm?
Jeff @ Dec 2nd 2008 3:20AM
omg... looks very promising so far!