Details are in, Nokia has a new flagship phone. The N97 packs a 3.5-inch, 640 x 360 pixel (that's a 16:9 aspect ratio) resistive touchscreen display with tactile feedback and QWERTY keyboard into this sliding communicator with an "always open" window to favorite internet or social networking sites. Nokia calls it the "world's most advanced mobile computer." To back up the claim they've dropped in HSDPA, WiFi, and Bluetooth radios, A-GPS, a 3.5-mm headjack, 32GB of onboard memory with microSD expansion (for up to 48GB total capacity), and a battery capable of up to 1.5 days of continuous audio playback or 4.5-hours video. 5 megapixel camera with Carl Zeiss glass and "DVD quality" video capture at 30fps, too. The specs are certainly impressive, let's see if the S60 5th Edition OS can support it. The N97 will launch with a retail price set at around €550 ($693) excluding subsidies and taxes, phone to ship in H1 2009.
Update: Hah, Nokia just boasted on stage at Nokia World that the N97 was the scoop "
Engadget didn't get." O RLY??? Sure looks like the device codenamed Eitri that
we broke to the world last month.
Update 2: Video demonstration after the break.
Update 3: Thanks for the widget love, Nokia (pic after the break, and thanks
Eric).
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posted Dec 2nd 2008 3:16AM
Hmmmm.... perhaps reading the article that you are commenting on would help?
It's right there on the post: "640 x 360 pixel"
Yes, but it doesn't get mentioned until the second sentence. It's hard for some people to read that far.
Hmm .. 640 x 360 resolution apparently. That sucks, it should have been WVGA.
They updated the article text (which said developing..) after I posted the comment.
It is 1/9 of a full hd... 1920/3 = 640 and 1080/3 = 360. So it is not completely random.
completely random? of course not its suited to the 350mb tv shows you download.
It's also 1/4 of 720p, and also 3/4 of VGA.
Too bad it's terribly ugly. Nokia lately have had a tendancy to reinvent the wheel over and over again and label it as something new. It's just a faster version of the N96. There aren't any new groundbreaking features that will make people flock to this device other than people who already have an older Nokia and want a faster version.
No its not. Quite a different form factor.
The form factor is beside the point; the device may look different but it's still nothing new, just updated specs from the N96
"The specs are certainly impressive, let's see if the S60 5th Editition OS can support it."
Nokia announce a new phone that raises the bar and you still find room to take a dig. Classy, Engadget, classy.
world's most advanced mobile computer?? LMAO.
Thank god iphone doesn't look stupid like this.
Nokia would have that retard keyboard until year 2050.
and interface :)
Wow, looks like a beast!
Now we just have to wait 2 years for N97-3 or 4 to come to the US carrying AT&T 3G...
its triband 3g....
looks like a killer phone... pending a keyboard review I might replace the bbry as my data device :)
Should have been the G1 design.
This phone is seriously PERFECT (except for the S60 OS).... FOUR words: TILTING, HI-RES, WIDE TOUCHSCREEN.
Love it.
HTC: Look, Listen, and Learn.
I believe the Kaiser pioneered the tilting bit...
Haha! Annsi said no toy camera in the corner of the phone.
He also said 64gig :o
And Annsi just made fun of Engadget for not getting the scoop on this.
Damn, Annsi laying smackdown on everybody
He said Google with *such* contempt.. heh
Price in Finland after taxes: 990 euros.
NINE-HUNDRED AND NINETY EUROS.
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
Oh, forgot the source link:
http://www.nokia.fi/A4351021?newsid=1274513
Could be just a placeholder price that they forgot to update. If you look at the english press release at http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1274500 the quoted price in retail is the 550e as mentioned in the Engadget post. And even if the Finnish price is correct it's not a big leap to get (as an example) a pre-paid E97 from Italy with a better price - that's what I did for my iphone (no sim-lock, no contract for 560e).
Engadget was featured in the live webcast. Congrats!
ENGADGET :)
Not going to lie, have an iPhone, love it to death. However, some of these specs make me drool. I'm not too keen on the interface, I would take the iPhones interface any day. 5 MP camera though. Mmm. Looks like a forward facing camera too. Nothing to get me to jump the ship, but every time a new phone comes out I get closer to it and only hope Apple can throw something else out to keep me. Ahh, the joys of competition, it brings the best of all the companies involved. Nice to see Nokia being a player again, at least here in the states. I remember the days everybody had a Nokia and played Snake while in the waiting room. That begs the question, does it have snake?
This would absolutely awesome if it ran on Android. I wonder if the new version of Symbian will rock - if not - then I'll be waiting with baited breath for a walkthrough guide of how to install Android on this.
Stunning phone.
THIS could be the device to unite ipod touch and feature phone for me. As of now looks perfect, but we will see.
this is just the beginning. wait till MWC. there will be more.
Hopefully the US version will have a capacitive touchscreen. It makes sense in the Asian markets, but not as much here. Either way, though, it looks mighty impressive.
Ive been wanting a phone like my N95 but with qwerty and it looks like we have a winner!!! DO WANT
Video Demonstration of the N97 , looks like it is going to kick ass!
http://www.nokia.com/A41445512
While I like it a lot as a whole, there are a few things I wish it did differently.
- It seem quite thick... thicker than Touch HD. I would trade battery life for thinness - after all who needs 1.5 days of continues music playback.
- 5mp instead of 8mp again... This is lagging behind Samsung & SE, even if it has a Carl Zeiss.
- Its really expensive!
- Plasticky silver is so 2002.
- The screen seems to be recessed rather than flush???
From the pics, the user interface looks quite usable, although not very pretty.
LOL
The Touch HD doesn't have a keyboard, that's why it's thinner than the N97.
5mp for a camera with CZ lens takes better pictures than 8mp with cheaper lens. à
550 (less than 700 USD) Euros isn't that expensive. The Xperia X1 is 800$ USD
Well it's 15mm and phone with qwerty and 5mpx i think that's really slim imo.
Looking at the picture and spec list. It looks perfect for me! 8mp would have been nice, but N97 would be thicker then too.
Couple of ? for me are build quality(N or E series build quality ;)), is it new camera module and how is the speed of the device.
Wywywywy doesn't understand the foreign concept of "unsubsidized," of course he thinks it's expensive.
- I'd like my phone to last more than a day and a half, thank you.
- I would also like to be able to theoretically use the photos I take with my camera as actual photos, and not just noisy data hogs.
- Unlike America, the rest of the world has this little thing call 'unsubsidised pricing'; it means that that's what you're gonna pay if you want it a) Without a plan, b) without any carrier commitments, which is just another way of saying 'without a plan', and c) did I mention that you don't have to enter a thousand-dollar-plus 2-year contract for that price?
- Tell that to Apple
- It' resistive, of course.
Hahaha.. Wow. Well Nokia sure does know how to spin gimmicky hardware... You bought that "CZ lens" marketing bullshit and ate it right up. Worrying about the "lens quality" in a cell phone camera is like worrying about what socks to wear in a flood - there's plenty of FAR more important factors that are going to determine how wet you get. Or how about this analogy: worrying about the lens in your cell phone camera is like worrying about the lens in your cell phone camera, it wouldn't matter if you were shooting through pure diamond, there's so many bigger, more important factors that play into how well your picture turned out that it won't make a notable difference besides in the cost of the device. And this is why the iPhone continues to dominate, they only waste they're time on features that most users will actually use, continue to use, and in the end add more REAL utility - the exact opposite of Carl Zeiss lens on your camera phone.. Holy hell I'm still laughing from that..
No one buys the carl zuisseses rubbish . . . but 5mp is good enough to take photos, as nokia have proven with the N95 and N82 . . so ur point seems non exsistant
@ utahnkid:
Emeek77, is that you? Same boneheaded Apple worshipping, and emeek sounds like he's from one of the redneck states.
Hmm. I seem to have creamed my pants. See THIS is a cool phone.
need the processor and ram specs soon! hawtness! touch hd just took a backseat!
Price in Finland 990€ (incl. 22% VAT). Another one far from 550€ without taxes.
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Nokia esitteli 990 euron Nseries-huippumallin
http://www.tietokone.fi/uutta/uutinen.asp?news_id=35947&tyyppi=1
Nokia's recommended prices for Finland have almost nothing to do with the actual real life price. Phones allways sell way below that fairytale price.
5800XM sells very close to the original pre-tax 279 euro price. Incredibly close when you consider how everyting tends to be more expensive in Finland than rest of Europe.
You have to be a moron man..
You can't comapre the price in the US and in Finland, where the average wage is 30 euros/hours.
In France it's around 18 euros, same in england and even less in the US.
Do the Maths.
This will replace my N96...
900/1900/2100 HSPA and resistive = not so great (would it have been that hard to just include 850?), but everything else is shaping up to be fairly impressive looking. As long as you can live without the 850, the wait for the US version may in fact not be an issue.
H1 2009 release date sounds dicey to me, as with other devices they've released it probably means June 2009 >
If Nokia wants to be a truly open company they will let me dual boot this thing into Android and decide which OS is best for me. If they do that and bring it to the US with T-mobile 3g I'll buy two.
Not asking for much, are we?
Seems the OS is a litle bit rough...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD-elt8MN3I
I still want it...
PURE WIN! Most sexiest and advanced cellphone in the world!
apple fanboy can't handle the truth.
I am a little dissapointed. Still no xenon flash, same 5 megapixel. Come on Nokia there is like 4 phones out now with 8 megapixel.
*walks away with his crappy 2 megapixel Sprint Mogul and iPhone*
Do you REALLY need that many megapixels in a point and shoot to snap quick pics to just record a moment, take a picture of something to remember later, or upload to myspace/facebook and get the quality dumbed down anyway, much less a PHONE?
As long as it makes and receives calls, as my old head of my IT department said (this is the same guy that owned a Motorola StarTAC for the longest time before finally unfortunately upgrading to a RAZR). But for me, as long as it can reliably do that, text messages, and occasional internet, music, and email without being bogged down with silly conversions and jargon, I'll take it.
it reminds me of the g1 in some ways. would be awesome if it had andriod on board haha
hey ! Most advanced Nokia smartphone ever, which is positive, but man what did I tell you 'bout the 800x480 being mandatory ?
Looks good though, and 32 GB is nice too, and the battery life ! ..oh and the camera and wifi and 3G+ and the 3.5mm jack and A-GPS :)
Yep pretty much anything else actually ^^
The best probably being the price!
Why s60?? :(
if it ran maemo 5 i'd be a real winner...
It's not out yet I think.
And it requires so CPU power that this phone might now have...
But yes it might be Nice :)
I don't understand all this guys who talk about S60 but judge it by it's 3rd edition or it's 2nd...
Did you use the 5800 ? then don't comment on S60 !
It's like if you were judging WinMo 6.5 by looking at WinMo 5...
Silly just plain stupid.
does anyone else think the nokia screen font is hideously ugly? it's like an uglified version of the classic Mac OS font.
I swore to myself never to by a S60 OS phone again and no matter how good this hardware is, I won't go back.
The S60 is instable and a crap OS. Moreover the software community for this is just as ridiculous as the software community for Blackberry with it's "$4.99" themes, and "$19.99" to do lists applications.
The iPhone has really set a nice precedent for cheap and very diverse applications. I thin android will do just as good.
So Nokia, please be as smart as Sony Ericsson and bin the S60 like SE did for the UIQ Symbian OS and get on the Android bandwagon.
Your hardware is great Nokia, just leave the software to people who know what they are doing.
Sorry, but you will be seeing even more S60 from the big 3 in next year. SE, Samsung and Nokia are all working for phones that will carry the Symbian foundation OS as you know all those companies are part of it.
Really there's nothing wrong with S60 other than it could need some eye candied. But lets see what happens.
There's something that Americans can't handle with S60, dunno. I mean S60 got over 75% of smart phones in Europe and i don't really see anything wrong with S60. but after using WM for years i wouldn't blame them for thinking that OSX or google thingie is the best thing ever ;)
Wait, you pay for Symbian themes?
HAHAHAHAHA! ... ... ... HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Did you know that Nokia even provide a FREE S60 theme creation program, called 'Carbide UI'? You can use it to create your own themes from the ground (the GROUND) up, and it's free to download.
Dude you can't compare UIQ and S60
S60 is way better.
Do you even know what you're talking about ?
UIQ is design for a maximum resolution of 240x320.. that 4 times less than the N97 on S60.
just wiki UIQ and S60 and contrast ...
Can't wait to pick up the Nokia101 (by the time my iPhone contract expires) Jumped the gun on that one, ugh.
the OS is still too crappy and slow, no thx
Stick that in ur shiny white pipe and smoke it steve jobs!
I can not describe my excitement for this phone. This phone is worthy of all the hype and excitement the iphone undeservedly got. This is the first phone I've actually wanted for years. There is nothing it doesnt have!!
Finally
Xenon flash?
with that, i feel it'd be the perfect phone... :)
2 Questions: This has output to tv right? And dose it have a accelerometer?
Yes and yes.
YES NOW we're talking! Finally! A culmination of Nokia's past projects into one sweet package!
Even this phone is really great, I hope Nokia didn't forget the software. I mean both the OS and the PC Suite. Both made me mad the days I had my 6110 Navigator,E61, 6270, N-Gage QD and the 7210...
That's really a point where Apple surprised me. I had my iPod and my Navigator and replaced both with an iPhone 3G, I synced it with iTunes and bang! all my recent Podcasts, my Music, Videos, Photos, Contacts and my Calendar where there! Using MobileMe I even don't have to sync anymore! Also a plus is the dock connector with all those compatible accessories, speakers etc.
I hope Nokia improves it's Mac-Support and make their PC Suite less bloatware and concentrate on useful addons.
Granted if I was a Windows-User I wouldn't mind that much, but more important than a good hardware is it's software. Because that's what decides if the device is easy to use and funny or ugly and annoying if it's useful or if it's crap.
YES!!! I LOVE IT it's just a shame that i'm so in love with this e71 right now to justify goin to another phone.... but it's on my radar.
Same with my new E66. Love this phone.
is there a FM radio in it?
couldn't find it in spec sheet
It looks promising, but I remember my experience with the underpowered N800. Video playback was a complete fiasco unless you were willing to transcode your video to the nth degree.
If it plays standard AVI files without transcoding, like my Archos or my Ipaq, or even my Ainol V3000(yes, I have it, and it's pretty good, for 100$!), then this will be my phone.
But I don't have confidence in Nokia at this point. The proof will be when the thing is out and there are some real world experiences.
The Nokia N800 was announced in Jan 2007. We're a month away from Jan 2009...you don't think the tech has moved on in 2 years?
Well, my understanding is that the N810, which came a year after the N800, had the identical video playback capabalities, and that this years' 810 Wimax also is no better in that regard.
It all depends on whether Nokia feels that this is an important functionality to have in their product. When queried about why their 800 series tablets were so weak with regards to video playback,their answer was that this was not a priority for them. They were meant as Internet tablets, not PMPs.
Hopefully that has changed. Don't get me wrong. I want it to changed. I loved the N800 form factor, and I have no aversion to Symbian.
I don't have any problem playing videos with my N800 + Mplayer.
mh, nice phone... I just need that without camera (I know it's a good one, but I still need that ;)). Would be interesting if Nokia still can't sync calendar categories, a thing that annoyed me back to the old communicators. Stopped using nokia because of that, otherwise I'd like them more... and if they only would take that silly certificate thing off the applications... makes it far less flexible than WinMo regarding software.
As a Nokia fan, I totally agree. Those are two things that need to be fixed. The first might be in this device, the second I'm afraid they've set their minds to. But the new forum.nokia site is much more developer friendly now.
Can Nokia say "Tilt", we knew they could....
But, you didn't get it...
The N97 as had been "predicted" on Endgadget was posted here...http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/17/nokia-prepping-n97-multimedia-computer/
Doesn't look the same to me. That might be what Nokia was talking about... Just a thought.
You did post a lot of information about future designs on that list, but just about any future release could have been "identified" as one of those devices. I am not saying the N97 was NOT the Eitri, but I don't know that it is either...
No need to get upset though. Engadget is where we go to get the news :)
(Do I get that give-away yet?!)
Now some Nokia, serve me some T-Mobile US 3G love in this package and you can proudly collect my $700.00. Otherwise it's a no go for me. I did not wait so long on T-Mob for 3G just so I could use such a sexy phone on EDGE.
-Keyboard is bland! Like eating a bag full of napkins! 33 buttons, 3 rows plus the D-pad??? Move or add the D-pad to the front unless there is one in between the send and end. So you have to open it up to navigate when you cant touch the screen? One handed operation is not going to be easy.
-Could have done something better with the name, N97? Doesnt even sound good when talking about their "flagship". I'm betting the next ones gonna be the N98 and N99...Oh the humanity!
-Not a huge fan of the S60. WinMo for me please.
-Memory is goooood.
-Screen good.
-A fighting game using two buttons? "Punch" and "Kick" - "Rock em" "Sock em"
Still gonna be the X1 for this Jackass!
Not exactly clear on this. What would be the situation that you can touch the other parts of your phone and not the screen? If you mean that your hands are going to be full of gung of somekind then you prolly are better of not touching your phone anyways. :P If you mean something like gloves? Well, I'd guess that's one of the reasons Nokia went for resistive touchscreen, you can use it with or without gloves.
If one of your hands was busy doing something like shifting while driving or maybe your arm was chopped off.
Is there nothing on the front as in a 4-way or track pad or do you need to slide it open to use the 4-way?
Look at some of new HTC's that dont have traditional raised buttons in the middle usually between the send and end.
Maybe I am confused which usually is the case.
I know it's an estimate, but $700.00 for the states?? Compared to the price of an iPhone?? LOL, PASS.
Nokia fails again for the U.S. Market.
Thats just too much for ANY phone... For that price, gimmie a ultra portable PC with all the fixin's..
Oh, and I'm a Mac user.
Just making sure.
Locked: carrier locked phones where you will be locked to the carrier for what ever years
unlocked: bought from a shop with no carrier lurking behind. Go to carrier and buy the service.
Many of the European countries got strong unlocked markets(more control to the people and no carriers bossing you around on what kind of phone you can have and bloating the software with sh1te).
HTC diamond is about +500 euros unlocked and free with contract here so i'm surely getting N97 cheaper than iphone and it really shouldn't even be cheaper :D It could be 400 euroes more expensive really.
As of USA and NA as whole it's the same song as always. Who knows if they don't even bother to give the USA 3G version.
No doubt that is one cool looking phone but it aint no IPhone.
Jess
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This effectively kills the N96, for everybody except for the (very) small niche of people who care about DVB-H.
I've used a lot of symbian phones mostly from nokia and one from sony ericsson. 3650, 6680, n73 and now the se w960i. All of these phones are good except for one major flaw, symbian. Symbian, for me is good, 3 years ago. I always regret it when I buy symbian phones, opening messages are slow, doing basic task are slow, random hangups are a pain in the ass. It's my fault for being a feature whore that I always end up buying a symbian phone. Judging from the second video it still is LAGGY. These small flaws maybe tolerable at first but as the time passes by you get irritated little by little that you lost you lost interest at your phone despite it being feature loaded. I think I've learned my lesson. (after 4 phones, I should) I'm not falling for this one again.. I hope...
Get an E71 or E66 and you'll change your tune so fast you'll forget what you said. I too was getting frustrated by the lagginess but man did they take care of that in the E71/E66. Seriously this is like 6230 speeds here.
C'mon N73 is damn old. Just how fast was WM back in the days compared to it. Past 2 years with N95 8GB, N82 and all those phones are faster than iphone. There's example really no phone that could beat E71 when it comes to speed.
w960i got Symbian OS on it, but it's UIQ with SE's crappy crappy iron inside that has been the same for 5 years. one reason why SE is going down maybe?
Was that so hard Nokia? A slide out QWERTY keyboard
So what software platform is this, BREW?
S60 (based on Symbian). There's about 10,000 applications available at the moment.
Cool thing!