Just a quick question. Can ubuntu be upgraded from the disc? Back on topic. It would be great having a choice of linux or s60 on nokia phones. They have a diverse range,excellent hardware, good pricing with respective build qualities. If they do this, they'll totally pwn every other phone. Its a good move.
> It would be great having a choice of linux or s60 on nokia phones.
Does it really matter what OS it runs? As long as you can have all apps you need, the OS shouldn't be important to end user. In the case Linux is really internal thing of celco vendors.
I'm kind of against even calling the Linux on mobiles "Linux," since it is so heavily customized that there is really little of common between normal embedded system and mobile phones. Oh! - busybox could be the same! As was mentioned many times, OS on mobile phone is about 20% of whole firmware. Rest are custom applications: different networks support, special handling of operator network setups, etc.
P.S. "Just a quick question. Can ubuntu be upgraded from the disc?" Not sure, but since it is Debian and Debian can be upgraded completely from CD/DVD media, then Ubuntu should be too. Check that from official documentation: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-cdrom In older times it worked for sure and Debian releases are specifically tested to be upgradable without network. At least once before I heard that Ubuntu is tested in the same way.
@Ihar `Philips` Filipau : Yes agreed but the thing is : the ability to use theses apps or not is mainly a consequence of which OS it runs.
And although there might be little in common between a desktop and a mobile version of Linux, this will change eventually, and for the best. Anyhow I suppose if we focus on OSs it's mainly because that's the only information we get from engadget.
How am I supposed to know I'm going be able to use my favourite apps on a new mobile phone, if engadget doesn't tell me the OS it runs ?
@Ihar: No, Linux is the one component that's largely the _same_ across desktop, embedded, and mobile systems.
What you're thinking of are the various other components of an OS, and particularly high-level stacks like X and GNOME/KDE, which are part of a typical Linux-based distribution, but are not part of Linux, nor even Linux-specific. They run on a UNIX system, and don't care what kernel is used.
If you want to avoid calling them the same, then come up with terms that suit, rather than appropriating one existing (and trademarked, BTW) term to mean something else.
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Just a quick question. Can ubuntu be upgraded from the disc?
Back on topic. It would be great having a choice of linux or s60 on nokia phones. They have a diverse range,excellent hardware, good pricing with respective build qualities. If they do this, they'll totally pwn every other phone. Its a good move.
> It would be great having a choice of linux or s60 on nokia phones.
Does it really matter what OS it runs? As long as you can have all apps you need, the OS shouldn't be important to end user. In the case Linux is really internal thing of celco vendors.
I'm kind of against even calling the Linux on mobiles "Linux," since it is so heavily customized that there is really little of common between normal embedded system and mobile phones. Oh! - busybox could be the same! As was mentioned many times, OS on mobile phone is about 20% of whole firmware. Rest are custom applications: different networks support, special handling of operator network setups, etc.
P.S. "Just a quick question. Can ubuntu be upgraded from the disc?" Not sure, but since it is Debian and Debian can be upgraded completely from CD/DVD media, then Ubuntu should be too. Check that from official documentation: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-cdrom In older times it worked for sure and Debian releases are specifically tested to be upgradable without network. At least once before I heard that Ubuntu is tested in the same way.
@Ihar `Philips` Filipau :
Yes agreed but the thing is : the ability to use theses apps or not is mainly a consequence of which OS it runs.
And although there might be little in common between a desktop and a mobile version of Linux, this will change eventually, and for the best.
Anyhow I suppose if we focus on OSs it's mainly because that's the only information we get from engadget.
How am I supposed to know I'm going be able to use my favourite apps on a new mobile phone, if engadget doesn't tell me the OS it runs ?
@Ihar:
No, Linux is the one component that's largely the _same_ across desktop, embedded, and mobile systems.
What you're thinking of are the various other components of an OS, and particularly high-level stacks like X and GNOME/KDE, which are part of a typical Linux-based distribution, but are not part of Linux, nor even Linux-specific. They run on a UNIX system, and don't care what kernel is used.
If you want to avoid calling them the same, then come up with terms that suit, rather than appropriating one existing (and trademarked, BTW) term to mean something else.