@skant - the reason I slam this is per the reasons above, did you actually take the time to contemplate how they apply to anyone that doesn't use them to play "You Light Up My Life" at Grandma and Grandpa's 50th wedding anniversary party? For someone who doesn't perform in their DJing, these are fine. For someone that's learning, these are fine, but they will 9 times out of 10 sell them, and invest in a setup that a VENUE has, which is usually what I've mentioned above. For a performing DJ, I suppose these could be fine, although there are much better all-in-ones on the market, even for laptop driven setups.
Do you really think I've never USED one of these, or contemplated getting one while I was in my learning phase? Of course I did! Turntables are expensive, and for someone who doesn't know how far they want to go in DJing, they look very attractive. But per the advice of several friends who spin, I stayed away from it, and learned on their decks. And you know what? After a while I discovered exactly why they gave me that advice. Because when you reach that point where you KNOW you wish to DJ, and persue playing in clubs, and doing the whole circuit, you realize 99% of the clubs have the Tech 12k's or CDJ 1k's. So guess what? You need to learn all over again. That's no fun, especially when you don't have a laptop to back you up while spinning vinyl!
Tech 12k's and CDJ's are tried and tested. Someone didn't just find them clever and made up some bullshit standard.
@Level5 - Ive been researching whether or not to get a controller like this. I was looking at the Numark Omni control, but your posts have made me think.
I have NO experience. Im talking like the most experience i have is downloading a demo of DJ1800 on my mac. I dont know how far I want to go into DJ-ing. I do know it will take time to learn and it will be more of a hobby for right now in the short term...i.e. house party w friends.
So my question is, Why should/do I stay away from things like this? or is this not so bad to learn with? I mean this stuff is expensive and Ive looked for Techs on ebay did not find anything close to what you bought your set up with. What about the NS7 from Numark?
I know its more of a classic "profession" to have tables and to crate dig, and i guess somewhat acceptable to use Serato, but Im not so sure I will have the time or money for vinyls and crate digging.
Any reccomendations or tips or websites you use would be great. Thanks.
if you have no intention of going anywhere with DJing, just want to have some fun with your music. this is a good (albeit, expensive) way to get that accomplished.
I will say though, that your money is better spent on quality software and a virtual vinyl setup from someone like numark or stanton. you need a usb equipped mixer and a pair of tables or a cd player or two but if you wanna fool around and then realize maybe this is something you wanna do, this is the best course of action.
my personal favorite is numark virtual vinyl, but it is more costly and you have to provide your own tables. for a beginner, a stanton dj bundle from musicians friend will run you about 200 bucks and get you started, then all you need to add is a USB based sound card that'll sync up with whatever software you decide to use (I use Virtual DJ, but Traktor and Serato have good setups too)
I couldn't find your posts in this entry more wrong.
You speak about tools like this limiting your ability to 'perform' as a dj.
How on earth is having a plethora of midi triggers and knobs anything but expanding what can be done with a live performance? Something like this is far more expansive than two audio sources and a mixer.
I think you may be to deeply seated in DJ culture that you're forgetting just what can be done with technology, beyond beatmatching and EQ kill switches.
do u know what a dj is? your a dam entertainer not some artist. a vestex vci-100 will do the same things as cdjs. the field is moving more and more towards digital and midi equip and its people like you who r stuck on this whole analogue setup. r u just pissed that u can pay half the price for a midi controler and do the more then ur tech 12s. the whole idea that clubs only use cdjs is not even a problem. all u have to do is plug ur controller into a mixer its not even an issue. keep dreaming that ur to cool for these mixers.
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@skant - the reason I slam this is per the reasons above, did you actually take the time to contemplate how they apply to anyone that doesn't use them to play "You Light Up My Life" at Grandma and Grandpa's 50th wedding anniversary party? For someone who doesn't perform in their DJing, these are fine. For someone that's learning, these are fine, but they will 9 times out of 10 sell them, and invest in a setup that a VENUE has, which is usually what I've mentioned above. For a performing DJ, I suppose these could be fine, although there are much better all-in-ones on the market, even for laptop driven setups.
Do you really think I've never USED one of these, or contemplated getting one while I was in my learning phase? Of course I did! Turntables are expensive, and for someone who doesn't know how far they want to go in DJing, they look very attractive. But per the advice of several friends who spin, I stayed away from it, and learned on their decks. And you know what? After a while I discovered exactly why they gave me that advice. Because when you reach that point where you KNOW you wish to DJ, and persue playing in clubs, and doing the whole circuit, you realize 99% of the clubs have the Tech 12k's or CDJ 1k's. So guess what? You need to learn all over again. That's no fun, especially when you don't have a laptop to back you up while spinning vinyl!
Tech 12k's and CDJ's are tried and tested. Someone didn't just find them clever and made up some bullshit standard.
@Level5 - Ive been researching whether or not to get a controller like this. I was looking at the Numark Omni control, but your posts have made me think.
I have NO experience. Im talking like the most experience i have is downloading a demo of DJ1800 on my mac. I dont know how far I want to go into DJ-ing. I do know it will take time to learn and it will be more of a hobby for right now in the short term...i.e. house party w friends.
So my question is, Why should/do I stay away from things like this? or is this not so bad to learn with? I mean this stuff is expensive and Ive looked for Techs on ebay did not find anything close to what you bought your set up with. What about the NS7 from Numark?
I know its more of a classic "profession" to have tables and to crate dig, and i guess somewhat acceptable to use Serato, but Im not so sure I will have the time or money for vinyls and crate digging.
Any reccomendations or tips or websites you use would be great. Thanks.
Oh and let these haters hate.
@ el leon,
if you have no intention of going anywhere with DJing, just want to have some fun with your music. this is a good (albeit, expensive) way to get that accomplished.
I will say though, that your money is better spent on quality software and a virtual vinyl setup from someone like numark or stanton. you need a usb equipped mixer and a pair of tables or a cd player or two but if you wanna fool around and then realize maybe this is something you wanna do, this is the best course of action.
my personal favorite is numark virtual vinyl, but it is more costly and you have to provide your own tables. for a beginner, a stanton dj bundle from musicians friend will run you about 200 bucks and get you started, then all you need to add is a USB based sound card that'll sync up with whatever software you decide to use (I use Virtual DJ, but Traktor and Serato have good setups too)
I couldn't find your posts in this entry more wrong.
You speak about tools like this limiting your ability to 'perform' as a dj.
How on earth is having a plethora of midi triggers and knobs anything but expanding what can be done with a live performance? Something like this is far more expansive than two audio sources and a mixer.
I think you may be to deeply seated in DJ culture that you're forgetting just what can be done with technology, beyond beatmatching and EQ kill switches.
do u know what a dj is? your a dam entertainer not some artist. a vestex vci-100 will do the same things as cdjs. the field is moving more and more towards digital and midi equip and its people like you who r stuck on this whole analogue setup. r u just pissed that u can pay half the price for a midi controler and do the more then ur tech 12s. the whole idea that clubs only use cdjs is not even a problem. all u have to do is plug ur controller into a mixer its not even an issue. keep dreaming that ur to cool for these mixers.