Lets see now. An exclusivity deal encourages other phone networks AND manufacturers to make better phones so they can compete with the exclusivity deal.
Now that all the networks can sell the "best phone" they lose some of their incentive to encourage manufactures to make better phones.
I for one think this is total BS... I'm no apple fan boy, I don't even own any apple products, but I think the whole premise is just whack. If I work my butt off to create a new product that lots of people like, why in the H-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks should the government be able to tell me WHO I can sell it to? My product, I made it, I'll sell it (or not) to ANYONE I dang well please.
Way to judge every culture in the world by your culture's standards. How very ethnocentric of you.
The entire world is not capitalist. In fact, much of the world finds capitalism to be greedy and fundamentaly flawed.
There system dictates the government is fully within their rights to void any practice they find to be contrary to the good of the public. They are socialist and they can say that word without implying some sort of evil.
Btw.....the government isn't telling Apple who they can and cannot sell too. They are telling Apple they cannot use the French government to FORCE other carriers to NOT sell iPhones. Quite honestly, that sounds more "free" than our system in the U.S.A.
And to others that say this stifles competition....
HOW? The fact that all carriers can sell a phone means more saturation which means other phones makers should be MORE afraid of Apple and should have more incentive to hurry up and come out with better products.
and "My product, I made it, I'll sell it (or not) to ANYONE I dang well please. "
You do realize that apple doesnt really sell their phones in the US right? The alliance with att means they are selling only to att customers, which in someways can be looked at as discrimination toward any none att user. Im just saying...
@Derbeste Why are you calling him ethnocentric? He never said that France, or French culture was bad. he simply said he didn't agree with the practice of someone else telling you how you can sell your product. I don't see him "judging" any specific country or culture.
eth⋅no⋅cen⋅trism /ˌɛθnoʊˈsɛntrɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [eth-noh-sen-triz-uhm] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. Sociology. the belief in the inherent superiority of one's own ethnic group or culture. 2. a tendency to view alien groups or cultures from the perspective of one's own.
I know the fucking meaning of ethnocentrism dumbass. Where in this post do you see anything hating on France or its government?
"I for one think this is total BS... I'm no apple fan boy, I don't even own any apple products, but I think the whole premise is just whack. If I work my butt off to create a new product that lots of people like, why in the H-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks should the government be able to tell me WHO I can sell it to? My product, I made it, I'll sell it (or not) to ANYONE I dang well please."
The only reference is to "the government" and that is probably referring to governments in general, not Frances. I fail to see any ethnocentrism in this post. I will add something ethnocentric of my own though. I guess all French are shitheads who don't know how to read.
so iphone just went from 199$ to 754$ in france,yeah freedom,thanx dumb ass judge ,he just po'd cuz lance armstrong dominated their stinky asses for 7-8 years in tour defrance.instead they should enforce mandatory daily french showering n dental check ups.,not to mention most features apps wont work with non orange euro providers,he's doing them a disservice.,.,
@DerBeste: I think the ruling doesn't go far enough. The whole ecosystem whereby operators control the handsets on their network needs to be broken up. There are three different business transactions: Buying a phone, financing the phone, and entering into a contract with an operator. Right now, they are all muddled together in a non-transparent way which ends up benefitting the operators and no-one else - operators control phone prices, financing (via "subsidies"), and contract (which contains hidden fees to cover the subsidy).
The best thing for customers would be to have free choice of phone, financing, and contract. They should be able to buy the phone from a vendor at the corner, get financing from somebody else, and the contract from any operator they choose. Operators should be allowed to offer all this too, like they do now, but should be forced to separate out prices for the subsidy, and made to offer the same contract without subsidy. A contract should have a price for the service, and a price for the subsidy, transparently marked. Your $49/month contract consists of a $29/month service fee and a $20 subsidy for your iPhone. And you should have the option to get the same contract without the subsidy if you bring your own phone.
What Apple has done is go to new extremes with the bundling deals, but they didn't invent the concept.
James, I am in Australia. I'm on Optus, and the reception is just awful. Telstra and Vodafone's plans are terribly priced, and 3, the only one offering reasonable prices and good coverage hasn't got a deal with Apple. Yes, this still needs to spread to Australia.
@charlie- "Now that all the networks can sell the "best phone" they lose some of their incentive to encourage manufactures to make better phones." But they DO make better phones; they just don't want to sell overseas. Why else would Europe have, for example, the C902 from SE instead of the nice SO905iCS that Japan got from SE with 3x optical zoom, face detection, a DSLR-quality sensor, and all that nice stuff? SE doesn't want to sell it; any carrier would want to have the "honor" of exclusively selling a phone with specs like that!
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Good on them. Now only if this would spread to the rest of the world.
come to australia!
optus,
vodafone,
telstra
...
take your pick!
That's what happens when the American market crappy monopoly games meet the heart of Socialism in Europe.
Lets see now. An exclusivity deal encourages other phone networks AND manufacturers to make better phones so they can compete with the exclusivity deal.
Now that all the networks can sell the "best phone" they lose some of their incentive to encourage manufactures to make better phones.
Oh well.
Socialism in europe? This isn't the 70's, get a new calendar.
Another newsflash (also usable by journalists): The soviet union is gone too.
I for one think this is total BS... I'm no apple fan boy, I don't even own any apple products, but I think the whole premise is just whack. If I work my butt off to create a new product that lots of people like, why in the H-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks should the government be able to tell me WHO I can sell it to? My product, I made it, I'll sell it (or not) to ANYONE I dang well please.
@Eskimopie
Way to judge every culture in the world by your culture's standards. How very ethnocentric of you.
The entire world is not capitalist. In fact, much of the world finds capitalism to be greedy and fundamentaly flawed.
There system dictates the government is fully within their rights to void any practice they find to be contrary to the good of the public. They are socialist and they can say that word without implying some sort of evil.
Btw.....the government isn't telling Apple who they can and cannot sell too. They are telling Apple they cannot use the French government to FORCE other carriers to NOT sell iPhones. Quite honestly, that sounds more "free" than our system in the U.S.A.
And to others that say this stifles competition....
HOW? The fact that all carriers can sell a phone means more saturation which means other phones makers should be MORE afraid of Apple and should have more incentive to hurry up and come out with better products.
Honestly people......
l2perspective
What deberste said
and "My product, I made it, I'll sell it (or not) to ANYONE I dang well please. "
You do realize that apple doesnt really sell their phones in the US right? The alliance with att means they are selling only to att customers, which in someways can be looked at as discrimination toward any none att user. Im just saying...
@Derbeste
Why are you calling him ethnocentric? He never said that France, or French culture was bad. he simply said he didn't agree with the practice of someone else telling you how you can sell your product. I don't see him "judging" any specific country or culture.
eth⋅no⋅cen⋅trism /ˌɛθnoʊˈsɛntrɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [eth-noh-sen-triz-uhm] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. Sociology. the belief in the inherent superiority of one's own ethnic group or culture.
2. a tendency to view alien groups or cultures from the perspective of one's own.
- www.dictionary.com -
I know the fucking meaning of ethnocentrism dumbass. Where in this post do you see anything hating on France or its government?
"I for one think this is total BS... I'm no apple fan boy, I don't even own any apple products, but I think the whole premise is just whack. If I work my butt off to create a new product that lots of people like, why in the H-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks should the government be able to tell me WHO I can sell it to? My product, I made it, I'll sell it (or not) to ANYONE I dang well please."
The only reference is to "the government" and that is probably referring to governments in general, not Frances. I fail to see any ethnocentrism in this post. I will add something ethnocentric of my own though. I guess all French are shitheads who don't know how to read.
so iphone just went from 199$ to 754$ in france,yeah freedom,thanx dumb ass judge ,he just po'd cuz lance armstrong dominated their stinky asses for 7-8 years in tour defrance.instead they should enforce mandatory daily french showering n dental check ups.,not to mention most features apps wont work with non orange euro providers,he's doing them a disservice.,.,
@DerBeste: I think the ruling doesn't go far enough. The whole ecosystem whereby operators control the handsets on their network needs to be broken up. There are three different business transactions: Buying a phone, financing the phone, and entering into a contract with an operator. Right now, they are all muddled together in a non-transparent way which ends up benefitting the operators and no-one else - operators control phone prices, financing (via "subsidies"), and contract (which contains hidden fees to cover the subsidy).
The best thing for customers would be to have free choice of phone, financing, and contract. They should be able to buy the phone from a vendor at the corner, get financing from somebody else, and the contract from any operator they choose. Operators should be allowed to offer all this too, like they do now, but should be forced to separate out prices for the subsidy, and made to offer the same contract without subsidy. A contract should have a price for the service, and a price for the subsidy, transparently marked. Your $49/month contract consists of a $29/month service fee and a $20 subsidy for your iPhone. And you should have the option to get the same contract without the subsidy if you bring your own phone.
What Apple has done is go to new extremes with the bundling deals, but they didn't invent the concept.
James, I am in Australia. I'm on Optus, and the reception is just awful. Telstra and Vodafone's plans are terribly priced, and 3, the only one offering reasonable prices and good coverage hasn't got a deal with Apple. Yes, this still needs to spread to Australia.
@charlie-
"Now that all the networks can sell the "best phone" they lose some of their incentive to encourage manufactures to make better phones."
But they DO make better phones; they just don't want to sell overseas. Why else would Europe have, for example, the C902 from SE instead of the nice SO905iCS that Japan got from SE with 3x optical zoom, face detection, a DSLR-quality sensor, and all that nice stuff? SE doesn't want to sell it; any carrier would want to have the "honor" of exclusively selling a phone with specs like that!