We're still no closer to determining just how many
BlackBerry Storm sales have
been reversed by now, but either way, said handset is reportedly Verizon's "best-selling device." Interestingly, it's up to your best guess as to what that really signifies, as the quantity of Storm devices sold remains tightly under wraps. In other words, you could take that to mean it's the bestselling right now (highly probable) or that it has already outsold all other VZW handsets in two short months (not at all probable). In other, more substantiated news, RIM has proclaimed that it sold 6.9 million smartphones between September and November of this year, which -- coincidentally enough -- is
exactly how many iPhone 3Gs that Apple sold through in its Q4. So RIM, whenever you feel like dishing out that exact figure that only
everyone, everywhere is waiting for, we'll be listening.
[Via
Silicon Alley Insider]
posted Dec 18th 2008 8:09PM
Relax already with who sold however many devices. So I'm supposed to buy whatever phone sells the most?... I mean I guess you have to report it but I don't think we really care. We only care what we like.
WEll The real question is how many have been returned. I know at least 5 peple, including myself that got the Storm and returned it shortly after.
Knowing the sales figures is important to potential buyers because it shows what will stick around in years to come. If it is selling badly, and will likely be discontinued, it buying it would result in a lack of support, updates, and a suitably familar new model to move on to (not as harsh of a learning curve).
Refurbs!
IT MEANS:
people rushed out and bought it.
now they have buyer's remorse.
People ruched out and bought the iPhone... heck some even slept in the streets over night.. No remorse... even after the $200 iRape fiasco...
So hmm what do you make of that! Jack!?
Hate the Storm much?
Really.
I think the Engadget staff believes that this device has received a little too much good press, and is making the iPhone feel bad, so now its time to start going after it.
Yup, I'm sure the iPhone feels horrible as it begins to count how many Storms have been returned.
@Dex
I think the only people returning it are from Engadget or have friends that are cause people on other sites have no problem with it
I wouldn't say the storm has gotten too much good press. It's certainly gotten a lot of ironic press around here at engadget.
If its not the made by (self-righteous electronics manufacturer) then Engadget won't back it.
And people wonder why people who own gadgets made by (self-righteous electronics manufacturer) are said to be - technological egotistical.
"Yup, I'm sure the iPhone feels horrible as it begins to count how many Storms have been returned."
As said by Engadget:
"Based on a pile of anecdotal evidence and hearsay..."
This is nothing short of a hit job by Engadget on the Storm. They created a story and are trying to spread some FUD on behalf of Apple.
If only we could freeze dry the absolute hate and hysteria people feel toward Apple. We could make lots of money selling it as a bio toxin to countries like iRan and buy maybe 2 Mac Pros, maybe even 3!!!
I know someone that really wanted it until she spent some time with her SO's. He's not all that happy with his and has a little buyers remorse, and since he spends a lot of time in Europe (why he got a Verizon phone when he spends 8 months out of the year in GSM territory is beyond me). She decided to get an iPhone instead. Having said that there were people that didn't like the iPhone either.
It's all anecdotal until Verizon decides to release numbers, which they probably won't, because there is probably no way at this point, in this economy that the storm will approach the success of the iPhone. Not necessarily because it sucks, but because sales are down across the board, and from a marketing perspective it would be bad.
Maybe "Mike" Lazaridis needs to get cancer.
Well, according to your poll, 80% of Engadget readers haven't bought one.
But anyways, I hope they can really carry on making great touchscreen phones, just without the launch fiasco of this, please.
It's not that hard to be the best when there isn't anything to compare it to on the same network....
dude your avatar is giving me a nightmare
Its already ovah 9000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Besides from the rocky launch and the wi-fi thing, it seemed like a solid phone. I guess we'll see.
Verizon says a lot of things...
I would not pay attention to these guys, lest us not forget...
"Verizon rejected Apple iPhone deal"
Wow, looks who is high on themselves.
If Verizon doesn't answer to you, are you going to take your ball and go home, engadget?
I'd like to see Engadget do their whinny little bitching act (like they are doing here) with Apple and ask for *real info* about Macbook Air sales. Of course, that will never happen because Engadget is Apple's bitch.
Your Storm hate is getting pretty blatant, guys. It's not an iPhone, we get it already.
At this point if you dont believe that Engadget isnt in the back pocket of the iPhone then you are blind on purpose.
I mean, Isnt it obvious that RIM or Verizon is lying? They "say" that this phone is selling well, but Engadget needs them to prove it, while they completely accept anything that Apple feeds them, and will reprint it verbatim without question.
I love people who assume because it's Apple it must suck and if it's not, it must be great.
Maybe instead of chalking it up to bias, you should try using the Storm.
Agreed.
Whose cereal did BB shit in on the engadget staff?
Seriously though? 2 posts bashing the storm? Seriously?
For a minute there, I thought I was at BGR (ATT Fanboy) not Engadget.
i don't know, i just don't get you guys. this article doesn't seem to be bashing RIM or Verizon or the Storm itself. It's customary for companies to release sales data for products that they are bragging about. What's wrong with asking for the numbers?
If the so-called "Apple Bias" here on Engadget is so terrible, why do you guys keep coming back when there's so many other comparable electronics blogs out there? I'm not being a smart ass, I'm honestly curious. If I felt like they were always on Microsoft's dick, and hating everything else, I would probably stop reading this site.
I went into the Verizon store yesterday looking for the Storm. They had an operating version of it. As much as I wanted to like it it just seems to not work well, at least not that copy. I would press a button to open an app and wait for it. Figured it didnt work pressed another and then the first opened. It was frustrating to say the least as far as operating a BB goes. It was not anywhere as smooth working as my Pearl given they are different phones. I will wait for something else I guess.
ReiG3
The in store examples are notorious for being on for days on end and having multiple background programs on that they shoudn't like facebook and the likes. I have a Storm and it runs fast enough. Not as fast my dad's Pearl but definitely faster then my Samsung Alias. Also you have a Pearl did you check for opened programs?
I just -love- running over to Engadget to read Darren Murph's witty and highly humorous posts.
No one's forcing you.
When has engadget started to sound like whinny bitches?
Ever since another mobile device got good press.
Only IPhone can get good press according to Engadget.
Ever since they became Apple's bitches.
Been that way for awhile now. Unless it's a review I really don't want to hear the writers opinion I just like to see tech news and find about new products.
Sadly such a website doesn't exist all these bloggers think I care what they think.
Doesn't sound surprising that many people are returning them. Going from only selling keyboard devices to a touchscreen device is a big jump. For people that want a little computer to fiddle with, touchscreens make sense. For people that want a phone to make calls and operate with one hand, buttons are better.
Not as big a jump as going from selling a locked in monopoly of a computer platform to selling cell phones. I have had my storm for about a week now, and NO slow downs! What the hell are these people doing with their Storms? Running recursive algorithms?!!?
I am very dissapointed that Engadget has had two posts today blasting the Storm. I would like Engadget to wait two months and re-review the Storm once it has had it's proper inital updates just like the Iphone's first bug fix update that occured in two months. Then try and compare the two phones and don't just blatently bash RIM, Verizon and the Storm.
Quick Question...
Why Verizon, RIM?
1) They make your phones look a lot worse than they are (via hardware reductions and disabling whatnot)
2) Possibly the worst network ever (Sure it's the largest, but the coverage is AWFUL, at least in the Greater Orlando area. But hey, 1.6 million people? Who cares?)
3) Slowest 3G (CDMA and GSM)
4) High prices for phones (AT&T wins this one) and contracts (Sprint here)
5) This isn't the first launch fiasco Verizon has had...
6) Awful customer service
Even Sprint is better than Verizon, not to mention T-Mobile or AT&T
*sigh*
Sprint is better than Verizon? Oh dear god...the people on here who have not a clue about what they are blabbing about.
Yeah... never mind my own personal experience with both, speed tests, data coverage maps, customer service rankings, customer satisfaction rankings
Never mind the fact that Verizon put's their own shitty proprietary OS on all non-smartphone devices (and blackberrys), locks down GPS, reduces memory, cpu and ram on most phones, gives their smartphones updates weeks after they came out for other providers
Never mind that Verizon managed to screw up their Storm launch worse than AT&T did
Never mind any of that.
I personally have VZW, and my dad used to have an ATT Blackberry for his work, and i must say, VZW might as well just give up.
VZW facts (from personal experience, from my area)
- Reception that one can laugh at (rarely get any EV-DO, sometimes dont even get RTT)
- Phone selection and prices are pathetic and astronomical, respectively
- Horrible OS on every non-smartphone, and sometimes they even fuck up the smartphone OSs
ATT facts (same disclaimer as vzw facts)
- Reception is the best in the area (usually get about 3 or 4 bars of 3G on my friends iPhone 3G)
- Phone selection is decent, with reasonable prices
- i can not comment on the non-smartphone OSs, for i have not used any
- and overall, HSDPA is just plain faster than EV-DO when it comes to 3G
btw, im basing my VZW experience off of an original RAZR (i think the code was V3m, but i may be wrong), An enV, enV 2, and Samsung SCH-u740 Alias, along with my friend's Voyagers, Dares, enV 2s, and Aliases. Im basing my ATT experience off of multiple iPhones (original and 3G), a Blackberry Curve 8300, and an LG VU
GPS just unlocked on BB Pearl with VZW using the 4.5 device software update. BB Maps with GPS so you don't have to pay for VZW Navigator.
FTR, the Storm is still sold out everywhere, the back order list is still weeks long, and the Verizon stores here haven't had massive returns. My friends work for VZW and their reports are that it is still a little buggy, but software updates are in the works.
Oh yeah, that native picture messaging thing...
Phil, seriously, you're basing your experience from Orlando coverage. I understand the coverage there is not all that great but all of Florida is not that bad with Verizon. South Flo. has very good reception. Also, I personally didnt know the 3G speed wasnt as high as ATT until I read Gizmodo today, but I do know that my friends who have the Jesusphone dont get enough reception to take advantage of this amazing speed. I live in the northeast and at the end of the day I get damn good reception leaps and bounds ahead of ATT, Sprint, or T-Mobile.
Oh and yeah I have the storm, I'll be honest I thought about returning it before the update, but its ok now and if they make it just a little snappier, I'll feel much better about my purchase. It isnt as bad as Engadget says.
Engadget, how much you get paid by Apple?
Fifteen shuffles, and not a penny more....
Apparently, they are switch hitters from what I can see...
* referring to lone blackberry storm ad banner on top page header *
Tech blogging can be so scandalous -
Results are not a lie as the Storm has sold, but these numbers don't count the returns, that will happen in the next quarter for RIM.
They're just trying to dispel the rumors that it has a high return rate. Oh, and the Engadget authors are acting like little bitches because something is taking some of the spotlight away from the iPhone.
I can just imagine the editors at engadget reading these comments of pure Apple loving accusations and being completely indifferent. I'm sure they don't care in the least, they're just reporting the news.
just reporting the news?!
you gotta be kidding.
Sarcasm homes... L2R
You heard me. This topic has been featured on quite a few prominent tech sites, and if they didn't report it then they'd only be letting us fall behind.
This just shows how many stupid people are out there wasting money on a crappy ass smartphone. I played with a Storm for like 10 minutes at a local shop and walked out wishing I could have those 10 minutes of my life back.
Go ask Darren. I believe he has a few good minutes to spare with you.
I think what they meant was "Verizon's best-selling device EVAR!!!!!"
You just couldn't let Canada get a little success...
RIM PWNS!
Most of you ass hats QQing about negative Storm posts and Apple fanboysim don't own EITHER device. I had a BB on Sprint, and moved to the Storm when my contract was up and hated it. The clickable screen and respond time is just ridiculous and frustrating to use. I returned it and got an iPhone and love it, and I'm not much of a fan of Apple.
You don't need to own the devices... with all the Youtube unboxings and demos, there is not real reason to buy anything anymore...
Just base everything off of unboxings, hearsay and conjecture!
Hey engadget, you want feedback from verizon on the storm, huh? Well, while you're waiting for it, why don't you read all the feedback in these comments about YOUR OWN product. Not very positive. Damn near universally negative. In fact, I think the post is utter crap and continuing a pretty bad trend.
When's the Engadget + BGR merger?
I don't think I agree with this. Everyone I know that has verizon has a razr. I've hardly seen anyone with a different phone
Both Verizon and RIM have severe cases of iPhone envy.
Darren, it obviously means that RIM thought of that phrase before LG, Samsung and Mototola thought of it.
I just don't get it.
If all of you guys think Engadget is so pro Apple why the FUCK do you come here?
Go visit a different website. Its freaking common sense. Even if Engadget favors Apple that's THEIR choice and it's their freaking website! Go move on to Gizmodo. I dare you to.
Anyways the Bold is an interesting device. If I was on Verizon I'd probably buy it and try it out. However I'm on Sprint and I love my Touch Pro. Not to mention the SImply Everything Plan is cheapest on Sprint...
I agree, i swear people come here to bitch, as if they are going to change everyone's mind about what they buy. It's personal preference!! I LOVE my Bold, period. i miss a few things about the iPhone, but the Bold has several things I use that the iPhone didn't too. It's PERSONAL PREFERENCE people. I also have a Centro I pocket sometimes, I just throw in my sim card and go. I use the Centro at the beach and what not because it's a cheaper phone and if I lose it or break it I'd be less disappointed than lets say my iPhone or Bold.
For the Record....I read EN, and GIZ ZOMG!!!! ;-) ;-)
Exactly LV007, and don't worry about the low ranking, that's an automatic if you say anything positive about Apple around here. If you think a reviewer or website is biased then read them with a grain of salt or don't read them at all, but get over it. I don't like iPhones or Blackberrys, so I don't have a dog in this fight. In fact, I can't stand Engadget's snarky, un-witty style of writing, but I like to come here to learn what's new so I just read the message and ignore the messenger.
I care not, what others buy. I buy what works for me. I have a BB Bold and LOVE it, I also had an iPhone and loved it too (had a few probs. with 3G not working in my area), where 3G on BB Bold actually came in (weird) , but I still love them both. Over the Storm a Bold Any day!
Pssssstttt, Engadget, I LOVE my iPhone better, I just like a few features of the Bold that I REALLY use a lot more like A2DP, and background tasks...ok? Cool......sshhhhhh.....don't tell anyone.
dude engadget like eggs the whole "it won't outsell the iphone thing the eff on"... who cares how much the storm sells, really? im tired of the whole "who has the biggest dick thing" you guys got going on with the iphone and every effing mid, mp3, feature phone, smart phone, free on-contract motorola etc. 3 out of 5 posts have the word iphone and it makes me want to blend mine. this is why gizmodo is better... at least their apple fanaticism comes with a side of humor. i remember this site turned me on to like tech blogs and the whole little scene.... and its sad to see every article reduced to a drinking contest with the iphone. quality has declined severely i might as well be reading boy genius. just another blog with about as much class as tmz.
Iphones blow!!!
I still don't actually understand why people bother mentioning BB products and Apple products in the same story.
Because they compete with one another.....and Iphones blow!!!
I got the iPhone when it came out last year. I owned crappy little phones that came free with a plan prior to the iPhone purchase. The phone was worth the $600+ dollars to me.
My friend just picked up the Storm. I've played with it for five minutes. And I can't say I am impressed. I wouldn't buy one.
Apple put out the first touchscreen phone. Any phone released after the iPhone not only has compare to the iPhone, it has to completely demolish it. I wouldn't buy the Storm because it didn't get me giddy like the iPhone. Maybe if the Storm came out first, my story might reversed.
Where did all the conspiracy theorists come from?
I am so getting tired of this bickering. Maybe Engadget is overloading on anti-Storm and pro- Apple posts is because they know these posts will attract hundreds/ thousands of hits. This in turn attracts advertisers and more $$. Seems only logical to me to continue the trend.
The first touchscreen phone wasn't from Apple if that matters.
Not really no. Why?
I didn't know there was a touch screen phone before the iPhone. I ain't a huge tech guy but if it had any significance in the market, I probably would of heard about it. I haven't, so no, I could care less.
lol @ "Apple put out the first touchscreen phone"
Seriously, where do you people go to get your information? The Apple store?
oh and btw, if you're "getting tired of this bickering." you probably shouldn't bicker.
@Bryan:
Weren't all the Palm smartphones touch screen devices?
Actually, I get all of my tech news from Engadget.
Again, sorry for not knowing the entire history of the touchscreen phone for making a comment. And sorry for getting roped into the madness.
@ Kai
You tell me. I never used or seen a Palm device in at least 8 years.
I FAILED. I even low ranked my self for the stupid comment I made. lol
I guess the guy at silicon alley insider was shorting the RIMM stock. Upon hearing his trusting sources are incorrect about the volumes that are being sold, he is venting and bashing in hoping of driving the stock down.
Engadget, shame on you for carrying this clowns' baseless rumors that you deem to make sense, and not cover the fact that these devices are flying off the shelf to the million of Verizon customers that had been buying plain feature phones and junks like the Glyde, Voyager, and Envy.
Let's face it, the Storm is different and appeal to a different crowd than perhaps the long time RIM users. In the end, it will be good for RIM as a different crowd learns what we already knew and love for years.
Please dont let your ignorance cloud your judgement.
Chill out guys!!! The reason I've decided not to show up to MacWorld is reasons like this, I have to live up to my name!!! I'm giving editors/writer's Steve "Blow" Jobs!!!
I spent 10-15 Minutes with this phone at the Local Circuit City / Verizon store last night and there is no way I could see my self switching over. I really tried to like this phone but I wasn't able to type out a decent TXT or email while I was there.
Every one has there opinion and this is just mine.
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