Palm Pre's "New-ness" event video now viewable
By Paul Miller 
posted January 10th 2009 11:25AM
posted January 10th 2009 11:25AM
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I have wanted to watch the entire thing. Before, only clips were posted on random websites. Thanks!
did you notice that not one person laughed at the Mexicans jokes? or in fact any of the palm employees jokes, glad to see they didnt spend there time on the speech but on the phone instead
hint hint steve, or steve 2
@Findol:
Wow. You can enjoy the phone and have a sense of humour at the same time.
I really like Palm ... BUT:
„I can't think of any other company to do this but Palm”.
That was true some time ago.
But actually Apple already redefined everything mobile computing can be.
I seems like everything is so not "wow" because basicly it's only:
„Hey, we figured out what Apple did right and we do that, too” - Don't start trolling just because you get this the wrong way, because I mentioned apple ...
I'm really excited to see what palm does, but right now it's just a „me too”.
But "just" is already awesome. Because nobody has even managed to make a me too until now.
But people tend to forget that it's all about software.
And that's what I'm wating for:
What is Palm doing better then Apple with Mac OS Touch / XCode / App Store and the whole iTunes / Computer / iLife etc. infrastructure?
And, btw.: I know it's in developement and not finished, but the UI still looks, although pretty nice and good, but still a little rougher and slower than the iPhone's
AND: the app switching IS REALLY NICE. Nicely done. But let's see how much of a resource hog it will be, with 3rd party software.
Apple kept "Multitasking" out for a reason: the current hardware doesn't manage it good enough.
Rest assured that Apple will do something similiar with more powerfull hardware allowing it.
Overall:
I'm just glad that FINALLY somebody does something good and doesn't just put makeup and perfume on an old pig.
Really interesting.
Let's just get one thing clear. Apple did not, have not, and probably will not ever "redifine what mobile computing can be". The iPhone is not even close to being a replacement for a dedicated PDA. A slick UI is all well and good, but let's be honest, the iPhone is really a multimedia device with a phone attached. Multitasking is *essential* for doing any sort of work on the go, as is copy & paste. 99% of the features are available on the iPod Touch - and no-one would even begin to say that is remotely a business device. Palm has always been a company focussed on providing business devices to switched-on professionals (even though they somewhat lost their way over the last few years). What makes this device so exciting is that it looks to bring the smooth, consumer-friendly UI of the iPhone together with the business-oriented mobile companion features of a PDA. Why else do you think so many people were dedicated to Palm for so long?
i think palm is doing some important things better than the iPhone
1) you can develop in well known ( even by designers ) lenguage, web lenguage. in contrast you have to use Objetive C and have a mac to develop for the iphone.
2) they dont sell music, they dont sell computers, they dont do mail. so, you can expect full bluetooth, full email, full compatibility.
3) i think they will be more open with their app store, expect video recording, beter email etc.
4) Hardware, i will wait for a bigger screen, more manly looking device :)
I just hope they have support for hardcore programing lenguage, i cant imagine a 3d game in CSS :S! and of course if they get their os in a non phone device that would be killer.
Man, someone needs some Zunex.
This was what iphone2nd gen was suppose to be but it was not.
Agreed with you, TMM. While a lot of what Palm has done with the software totally blows Apple out of the water (type-to-launch from home screen? pure win), I really hated how "original" they pretended to be during the presentation; all the self-ass-kissing didn't help either.
Look, Palm, I respect what you guys did in the beginning, but you guys haven't been relevant in a long time. If you're staging a comeback, fine, but don't spout things like "there's no better company to do this than Palm" - yes there are, their names are RIM, Apple, Nokia, etc.
I also don't like how they're pretending the phone's aesthetics are anything but turd-like. It looks like they've created software that will give iPhone a serious run for its money, but the hardware looks like CRAP. C'mon, 90s style landline phone speaker grilles on the back? What were they THINKING? Cheap-looking plastic that looks like it came off a $5 alarm clock from Wal-Mart? They have a lot to learn about industrial design.
dboobis: People were dedicated to the Palm because there was no better choice. Palm began their decline *long* before Apple even showed up in the market, mostly due to the likes of RIM, whose back-end integration proved far superior to the needs of the business users using Palm. Apple has absolutely revolutionized mobile computing - if only by getting the sort of power normally reserved for high-flying execs and traders into the hands of the everyman. To deny this would be almost anti-fanboyism. Not to mention that Apple was *the first* to come up with a competent enough mobile browser to make desktop websites viewable on a mobile in any reasonable form. I consider that feature alone to be revolutionary. In fact, up until Palm showed off their browser, there was *still* no viable competitor to Safari on iPhone.
You ask "What is Palm doing better then Apple with Mac OS Touch / XCode / App Store and the whole iTunes / Computer / iLife etc. infrastructure?"
Outside of the App Store, what it appears to have done is give you the power of an integrated infrastructure, without having to worry about the tedious aspect of managing multiple data sources.
This looks like probably the most innovative device to come along in years. Yes, including the iPhone.
When Palm said they were shooting for the "fat middle", I think they hit it between the eyes.
The ONLY people I know who were less than impressed with what the WebOS and the Pre represent are iPhone owners (you know, the kind happy to surf the web seamlessly, but don't need complex calendar and contact management), and the few current Palm owners worried about the lack of backwards compatibility.
@TMM
I think some of your comments are valid, but it also sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder with Palm. Granted, I would of been one of the first to cast aside Palm in light of their marginal products and obsolete software before their CES presentation, but I think we've seen a real change in the way to think about phones.
Your right, Apple can do many, if not most, of the things the WebOS can do, but in a strange way, I'm happy to see not only another company do it, but based on the presentation, do it better.
Yes, Apple raised the bar when it came to design, using a touchscreen, and a great UI. But Palm has brought their own sexy device that can multitask (to a point) while keeping the device clutter-free and usable by a broad audience.
Additionally, I think many people overlook the value of Synergy. Outlook, Gmail, Facebook, IM...all of that information consolidated into one contact while filtering for repetition? I think this is an amazing feature, and to my knowledge, Apple doesn't come close. Also, I've spent some time with an iPhone, and like many others, I will take a physical keyboard any day of the week if I want to send a message longer than a text.
As for the UI, were in January and this platform is coming out sometime that half of the year. Call if rough, which I disagree with, but I strongly believe that by production time, it will be faster and more polished.
I was going to get an Android phone when my contract ends in January '10, but Palm may have swayed me.
If the winning prize is you never posting on Engadget again, sign me up!
I can't imagine how they made it - this device is simple and unique in the same time.
This is so brilliant product - like Apple with her first iPod.
I think that Oppenheimer not only research some here but takes some Apple's secret developing in his pocket when leaving them.
I feel that we can even see some lawsuits from Apple soon about it...
Sorry
not Oppenheimer - Rubinstein!
Firstly, what do these 7 keys I could potentially win open?
Second, how do I apply to win the aforementioned keys?
Third, what is this gobbledegook underneath the proclamation that I could be in line to win 7 keys?
*DISCLAIMER: For those of you out there who are a bit slow, I'm being sarcastic*
Erm...perhaps when removing a comment it would be wise to remove all replies to that comment? Now mine makes no sense...
I have been the biggest Apple Fan there is, I own both 2g and 3g iphones, mac mini, macbook air, and Macbook pro, and this phone is the first to get me excited since the original iphone!!! I will get this phone.
Yeah right,.so u gonna carry palm in 1 pocket n video iPod in other.,.what a dee dee deee,.!!!!
I agree, this is a pretty need phone i won't jump ship just get cause Apple might have something else store for for the iphone in the upcoming WWDC, also Microsoft is pretty quiet so the might be working on something cool too, but if i had Sprint i wouldn't think twice about grabbing it, to me it is the coolest phone besides the iphone
Did anyone notice that Engadget is in his favorite bookmarks?
I remember 19 months ago, I was such a loser. I would carry cell in 1 pocket n iPod in the other. Ask yourselves will this palm truly replace your video iPod???cuz there is only one phone that can n has done that.
You were a loser... Still are actually, but you were one too...
whoah
dboobis:
See, with trolling I meant comments like yours. No hard feelings.
Evan:
Good points.
And don't get me wrong: I AM excited about the Palm Pre.
I just wouldn't be so fast to go around and shout how much better it will be.
Same thing as with Android and Android apps. Everybody screamed like a schoolgirl, and for some strange reason, wanted Apple to suck it. And now: nothing. Apple showed what a well made Infrastructure can do for developers and by the do for the customer.
And don't forget the automatic, free, brilliantly working OS updates. I practicly got a new iPhone with the 2.0 update - which just magically installed itself. Grandma safe.
I would slow it down and wait:
1. Multitasking seems nicely done in this demo. But, again: Apple kept it out for a good reason: System resources!!!
How many Apps did he show? Contacts, Notes and a browser window. Wow.
How many Apps can run like that on a Pre? When does it slow down? What about Ram?
What about Third Party Apps? Bad 3rd party app resource hog: everything stops.
What about a 3D game like on iPhone?
I think you could have the same shit as on a WM device: manually close apps because of slow system? Or does the OS force quit the App? I just want to wait and see. And rest assured that Apple has something up it's sleve with Imagine and the next Gen of iPhone.
OR will they restrict the Apps to "Widget" like status? Are they all kinda like "AJAX" Apps? Web OS seems to indicate that.
2. Software, Software, Software.
Let's just wait and see how good the software developement really will be for Palm's OS. How good the Software can be, which seems so magically easy to programm.
And let's wait and see how the distribution of these Programms, which nobody even has seen a dev kit for, will be.
As I said:
I stay excited. For THE FIRST TIME after a gazillion of cheap iPhone knock off - looking at you, latest iPhone-Killer-Clusterfuck-Blackberry-Storm ;)
Good times lie ahead ;)
*sigh* Someone has a very broad definition of trolling. Using your methodology, I could accuse you of the very same.
My point still stands, in that Palm, Blackberry and to an extent HTC don't go around "just" trying to make an iPhone killer. Their products have historically been aimed at a different market to that which the iPhone has captured. However, having taken note of the mass market appeal that a smooth UI brings, these companies are now adapting so that they will be hopefully able to get a slice of that pie. Serious business people do not use the iPhone, at least not without a dedicated PDA alongside it. The reason RIM has the market share they do, is because their products aim to negate this need for a secondary device.
The problem as I see it is that many people, yourself included, seem to see the iPhone as a direct competitor to firms like Palm, RIM, and HTC. Looking at core user bases, it is not in any way shape or form a competitor. Palm hasn't lost market share to Apple, it has lost market share to RIM and WinMo devices. The people RIM makes phones for haven't switched to the iPhone, because their companies have invested in Blackberry exchanges, that are not compatible.
I wasn't replying to the fact that you mentioned Apple. I was replying to the fact that your analysis of who and what the iPhone represents is way off base. The Pre is being lauded as an iPhone killer because it is the a device that appears to meld both the business tools of the RIM and WinMo phones with the mass market appeal of the iPhone.
No hard feelings.
With new Palm, my life has changed. I lost my virginity, lost weight and started earning more money. I will recommend it to everyone. WOW
Wow!
I'm in!
Resource-wise, running multiple apps will be much less of an issue. Palm is saying "laptop-like performance" and it would seem they mean it. The processor they're using can be clocked from 600MHz to 1GHz. And the apps, while written in JS/CSS/HTML are far more functional that the iPhone's old widgets. Palm is providing JS extensions deeper into the operating system so you can work with the stuff on there including contacts and other stuff. They're not going to provide deeper hardware access in 1.0 (read: no 3D gaming) but you can expect them to in later releases (much as Apple did in later iPhone OS updates). They've already said they're going to give some partners deeper access off the bat.
What is the definition of the "iphonekiller"?
is it selling 1 million in 72 hours in USA .?
is it being a revolutionary all touchscreen cell that some manufacturers still can't match 2 years later,?
Is it a phone that has set the standard by which all touchphones are measured?
is it a cell that sent all major cell manufacturers into a crazy frenzy to quickly go back to drawing board n create their own iPhone clone?
Is it a phone that has created more buzz worldwide than any other cell in history,?
Ask yourself in order to earn the coveted title, will pre do all these, if so then yes it can be called that.,unfortunately we won't know the answer till 72 hours after palm launch
I'd define an iPhone killer as a phone that renders the iPhone obsolete in the eyes of the mass market. So forget all your other points, if that happens then we can talk.
What is the definition of the "iphonekiller"?
is it selling 1 million in 72 hours in USA .?
is it being a revolutionary all touchscreen cell that some manufacturers still can't match 2 years later,?
Is it a phone that has set the standard by which all touchphones are measured?
is it a cell that sent all major cell manufacturers into a crazy frenzy to quickly go back to drawing board n create their own iPhone clone?
Is it a phone that has created more buzz worldwide than any other cell in history,?
Ask yourself in order to earn the coveted title, will pre do all these, if so then yes it can be called that.,unfortunately we won't know the answer till 72 hours after palm launch
Palm was one of the first to have a touch screen.
The iPhone wasn't the one that sent manufacturers into a crazy frenzy. That was the Razr and Nokia phones.
Nokia has sold a billion of one phone.
More buzz worldwide than any other cellphone? Dream on.
Point is, The iPhone isn't the shit and the Pre goes beyond the iPhone.
and it's not the iPhone clone, it's the Prada clone.
Does anyone get the feeling that websites and blogs are pushing this a little ...too... hard? Something just seems a little fishy.
(I'm not a fanboy, or saying it's a terrible phone. I've used the iphone, MDA, and g1 in my life so I'm not exactly biased. The engadget bookmark? Come on.)
Well, the pre is actually quite revolutionary in terms of multitasking, This comes from a (happy) iPhone user like myself too.
As an aside, the presentation was fun to watch, although the Sprint guy towards the end was awful, just like the AT&T guy from the original iPhone keynote. What's with Carrier execs and making me want to fall asleep?
This phone is simply amazing. Watching that video and comparing the stuff it does to "that other smartphone", it just blows it out of the water in terms of the overall user experience. I can't wait for a launch, and I may just happen to switch to Sprint!
Engadget is saved as a bookmark when it comes to the browser. Nice :)
Fendal, why do you assume the audience was properly and adequately miked? I'm sure the audience wasn't miked.
How did you know I have a hangover?
I've seen much better presentations (being a jaded Apple guy...) and more convincing speakers, but what Palm has there seems to be a mighty impressive device. I like the iPhone a lot, yet a lot of small things kept me from getting one. The Pre gets them right (keyboard! replaceable battery! smaller in the important dimensions! and loads of small things!) and brings a lot of "wows" along. The sync features are superbly nice and I hope it will integrate well with OS X and Apple's native apps too. Can you say synced categories from iCal and Addressbook? That's something even Apple can't bother to do on their own darn phone, but I HOPE we'll see it on the Pre. The big issue, exclusive contracts, also hampers the Pre, we will see what they do in Europe in this regard — sell it unlocked, I say. We have decent 3G infrastructure.
Hats off to Palm for one mighty interesting product.
Oh, and I do notice Palm traditionally caters to folks who are *not* the typical iPhone clientele. But face it, if non-fanboy people get a choice, they stay away from WinMobile, and Symbian, while a good workhorse, lacks in the media hotness department.
So what do we all do when the iPhone Nano gets released?
hi people
first thing: sorry for my english i'm a bad student from italy
second thing: i'm an apple fan
I've just seen palm's event video and the hole thing seemed a big dejavu to me. and let's be realistic: the first part with the story of the excited phonecall in mexico seemed just like "hey! we've this hawesome NEW product opportunity: warm water!"
Nothing to say about the part where they talk about the essence of the phone.
but then:"the design is inspired by nature...our designer team has done a phenomenal job". if their team is composed of kids with no knowledge of what's an iphone, i'm ok with it. i think that the "variety of sensors" idea is genius. maybe it's better if i stop here 'cause the rest of the event was riddiculous.
Let's say the truth: the iphone IS NOT a revolution. apple simply took everything that needed (all those "new things" such as the accellerometer aren't't new to mobile phones world) to make a new experience of a smartphone. the iphone TRY to combine "casual and business". to make hardcore easy to use. the iphone is the first try for a company that didn't knew anything about phones.
a brilliant first try if you ask me. that been said the new palm is better than the iphone. not only for the hardware. i think that the software will proove the great capabilities of this phone.
but if you think that a company like palm has bulid is new device starting on the iphone (the first try for apple), than you understand what steve jobs has done for the mobile world.
by the way the good thing about phones is the variety, so you can choose whatever you want.
i choose the iphone because it does all that i need. nothing less, nothing more.
sorry again for the bad english
the gesture pad is nice
my touch pro already has that with a program called butler though
can launch 4 diff programs by swiping under the screen on the d pad
the sync stuff seems nice but what if there is 2 people with the same name? i can see lots of confusion happening
This is the first phone that would make consider leaving Windows Mobile. Now, I need to see what Mobile 7 is going to look like. Not a fan of the iPhone. I run Android on my current WinMo device and it is just OK. The Pre does look amazing and a very worthy competitor to the WinMo platform.
Hey! Everybody meet Mr. Me Too!
SInce I'm part of that iGeneration, I've never even considered getting a Palm device. Heck, I've never even touched one! But this phone may change all of that because it's the first phone I've seen (via the Interwebs) that makes me smile every time I see a demo. Sadly, I'm stuck with AT&T (eww) for another year, so I may have to wait and bounce on Generation 2 - but that may not be such a bad thing.
Its been ages since I used a Palm (used to have a Palm Pilot IIIc), but the interface really looks good on the 'pre', and this phone made be enough to draw me back in.
So this is completely off subject but did anyone else notice that WebOS + a Spanish accent makes the sound of huevos which literally means eggs in Spanish. Huevos is also a Spanish slang word for balls. I know my explanation took all the hilarity out of it, but I still find it hilarious.
Palm Balls 2009.
Palm has been steering itself directly onto the rocks for so long now, this phone MUST be a hit or they are done. Looks pretty good to me, but I wonder how long they will wallow around with Sprint until they unlock the device or get some decent carriers? Sprint may have a fast network, but their coverage is horrible.
what is Palm going to do when there Os becomes obsolete again? go running to windows mobile. Who can trust in a company that didnt upgrade there os in 3 or more years and admited there os sucked and went windows mobile i bet soon these phones will be running Android or windows Mobile 7
Looks awesome. Also great to see that the folks over at Palm are fans of Arrested Development. Michael Bluth and Tobias Funke are in the phonebook. Greatest show ever!