Man juices in a boil? No shame, that's
Shelby Super Cars' Aero EV in pursuit of the "world's fastest production electric car" title. SSC just came clean with the details behind its All-Electric Scalable Powertrain (AESP) producing 1,000 horsepower and 800 lb-ft of torque that rips the Aero EV through 0 to 60 in just 2.5 seconds at a 208mph top speed. Compare that to the Tesla Roadster's 0-60 in
3.9 seconds (or 3.7 for the
2009 sport model) and you'll understand all the hubbub, bub. Better yet, the 150-220 mile battery can be refilled in just 10 minutes (Tesla takes 3.5 hours) from a 220V service thanks to what SSC calls its "Charge on the Run" onboard charging system -- something that
nearly eliminates (or at least minimizes) the need for a
battery swapping infrastructure. The first full-scale, pre-production Ultimate Aero EV should be on the streets before June with production deliveries expected in the fourth quarter. Now we just need a price.
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posted Jan 27th 2009 6:44AM
holy shat..i think i just shat myself twice over
Two number twos, huh?
I want to cry
LOL and manufacturing takes more oil than "legacy" version would burn in 100 years. Somebody stupid here
Power(P) = V*I (220V * 13A) = 2860 W @ Resistivity of 16.92 Ohms.
Energy(E) = P*t (2862W*10*60s) = 1716000 Joules.
So literally taken, energy of 171600 is supposed to 1,000 hp and drive this thing for 150 miles? I don't think so
Either the recharge current is so frigging high or these guys are lying...
First off, 1,716 kJ is alot of energy... and then you have to remember that with their estimates you aren't going to be going full speed, constantly accelerating to 60 off stoplights, and using all 1000 horses and torque. I do believe the the U.S. guidelines mean the estimates are made off of an average of 30 mph with the air conditioning on (not sure what settings) and the radio on for 1/4 of the time to give consumers realistic expectations.
But still, I would like a little more mileage to go with a beast like this... 10 minutes is awesome, but in real life another 10 minutes isn't going to matter. Give me a little more mileage so I don't have to worry about showing off on the highway... cause don't lie, thats pretty much a top 3 reason for getting this baby
@MM: Most people won't be driving at 1000HP very often. It's likely that just like any other vehicle, running it at max rev/HP will eat the fuel very quickly. The 150-220 mile quote is probably for standard city/highway driving, at which a small light car like that will be using well under 200hp. (Except for those times when you zoom down the onramp at full throttle)
Change your pants before looking at the price of this thing... when its available.
If it sells for $20.000, I'll buy one xD
@James: 200 hp? More like 25-30. Think about it - a car like the VW GTI has 200 hp, and a top speed of 130 mi/hr (and that's governed - would be more like 140-145 mi/hr without the governor) - obviously it must not need all 200 hp to just go 50-60 mi/hr. And the Aero EV is clearly even more aerodynamic and so probably needs even less power for highway driving.
@Shinigami
I think the price is going to be... One miiiilliiiooon dollars.
*insert evil laugh*
If this can debut for under $200k, you're looking at everyone's new favorite supercar.
oh snap! I was going to order an OQO+, but I decided to get this instead. Just ordered! :)
Guys, did you not understand basic physics? They are lying or leaving something out, its as simple as that. With what they are saying you would need some major amps, like 300 or so, to do this. Last time I checked my house it's pegged at 15 (like every other house in America). So, maybe you just drive up to your local sub-station and jack in there, then I guess it would work. With your 110v you may get a sustained 100 hp for a few miles with a 10 minute charge. I don't care what kind of battery they have you can't get more than you put in.
@Eric
Most wall outlets in my house are 15 amps. The breaker panel has an incoming breaker rated at 200 amps and my dryer circuit is wired for 220V @30 Amps. Besides, they didn't claim that you could plug it into wall. I'm sure that upgraded service and special plugs will be needed.
I'd be interested in how much current is required to charge it in 10 minutes at 220V- I imagine it would be quite a bit more than a typical power point could safely provide (just like how ovens etc. require special high-current wiring)
UNLESS you're here in the UK, where standard mains voltage is 220V-240V ^_^
@dale - except that most of that wiring will melt under the sort of current draw that will be necessary, 220V or not.
I'm also guessing extra wiring is going to be necessary given that most people won't be charging their Shelby in their kitchen.
Plus once you've popped for however much this thing is going to cost, tossing $500 at an electrician is gonna be nothing.
My kitchen doesn't have a special high voltage circuit for the stove. It does however have a special high amperage outlet.
Dale, that's Japanese use 110V...
Lights in the UK are gonna go out every time an American charges this car...
yeah im pretty skeptical about that whole 10 min charge deal...
Wow that's incredible. Immense range too, I wonder what the technology's like in that thing. Alien, methinks.
10 Bugatti's were killed in the making of this car.
Bugatti Veyron, anyone??
Forget Veyron, this is the shit.
And it's a Shelby, may I add.
More like Mclared F1 Road car my friend forget the Veyron.
This car is proof that without having Exxon's design crew working on your car you can churn out cool looking electric cars
SSC, Shelby Supercars, and Carrol Shelby who makes a version of the Cobra, are not the same. Both are American companies, however, they are completely unrelated.
WTF is a Veyron?
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/noframes/24169.shtml
I dunno - those numbers don't seem realistic. It just makes no sense that this thing charges up an order of magnitude faster than the next best competitor.
Free lunches. Free rides... no such thing as either.
That's totally realistic, 10 minutes charge gives you 2.5 seconds autonomy... Wait... Did I get that wrong?
No the article definitely says that there is no life sized version of the concept at this time.
So I guess, that's the very real dust and dirt on your Pc screen, good sir.
The only unrealistic number here is price... will be when you see it.
10 minutes is probably a bit lofty, depending upon how you drive. If you drive like a normal person for an hour, a 10 minute charge is not unreasonable. But yes, if you drive from Cincinnati to Cleveland, OH, Everyday, then it may take closer to 2 hours to fully charge (although, how many people live that far from work?). This is still completely acceptable. Sure, it may take specialized chargers for the fast charge, and you will most likely charge overnight anyway (again, unless you really are driving from one side of Ohio to the other, or equivalent).
But since 98% or greater of all the people in the united states work within 60 miles of where they work, a 10 or 20 minute charge time would not be impossible. If you could only charge at home (say 120 miles on the round trip), even an hour to do so would not be bad, especially for 1-2c/mile after initial cost (compared to 15-50c/mile in a gas, not including oil changes, air filter, radiator, fuel filter, exhaust system[catalytic converters, anyone?], fuel pumps, alternators, clutches [AC motors can do reverse by reversing polarity], et cetera).
Hmm yeah, 220v at 100amps!
But nice to see they are making them look a little more like sportscars.
why cant we just say power is about 750 kW and torque is about 1000 Nm? im pretty sure everyone learn that at school even here in the US.
Those lambo doors are so 80's
"Lambo" doors came about in the 70's.
Gullwing doors the 50's
Both were way ahead of their time
Regular doors are so 20's.
That's bad ass.
It is possible. There are Li-Ion batteries that recharge in 10 minutes to 90% but they have lower power densities than traditional lithium. Those kind of batteries also don't explode!
that photo looks like it was took in PGR4, its all the blurr i guess lol!
Possibly there's no physical concept car, yet. At least there seems to be some aliasing going on in the other pics with the car in front of the black backdrop, so they're likely all CAD renderings.
Oops, just reread the last paragraph, there definitely is no real car yet.
"...... so they're likely all CAD renderings"
Not all, at least the 4th picture looks absolutely real to me. It's nearly impossible for anyone to render with that level of fine detail. The dust, the dirt, the scratches, and not-so-perfect paint job, all in there, so it must be real.
No, the article definitely says that there is no life sized version of the concept at this time.
So it must be the very real dust and dirt on your Pc screen, good sir.
(Sorry, went to the wrong place in the first try)
SSC makes cars and this is the SSC Ultimate Aero, the fastest car in the world. (Check your Guinness books! It's true!)
This is THAT car, not a CAD rendering. That that is the first thing everyone thought is proof that autoblog and engadget have almost completely different audiences.
There *is* a Shelby Aero, just not the electric. Therefore pics are likely of a gas version.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSC_Aero
That said, I also call bullshit on the 10 minute charge. A 220 volt circuit at 100 amps is going to be 22,000watts. By my calculations charging for 10 minutes gives you 3,666 kWh. Feeding even a very efficient motor that generates 1000hp isn't going to get you very far on that.
@Kattleox
Ok, the tail pipes make sense, then. But I still think the pictures are renderings, even tough it doesn't really matter wether they are or not.
@Travis
I didn't try to verify your calculations, but likely they are too optimistic since there is probably a fair share of loss when charging the battery, not speak of the losses in conversion from electricity to motion. On the other hand the linked article mentions a range of 150 miles on one charge, but no maximum current of 100 ampere, so basically, if they use some specialized electric installations, the claim could be true, though the whole 220V thing becomes sort of pointless.
"........So it must be the very real dust and dirt on your Pc screen..........."
Maybe you're right, you know. But there is one thing I couldn't figure it out, that is when I drag that picture from my primary monitor to my secondary monitor, and all of a sudden, all these "very real dust and dirt" just auto-teleportted from monitor 1 to monitor 2, chasing that picture like a shadow. So weird.......
I have wood.
I have steel.
...let's list things we have!!!
(sarcasm)
I have an empty wallet, a long expired credit card, a letterbox full of bills, so basically, I have nothing.
Next please.....
Druish princesses are often attracted to money and power, and I have both, and you know it
But, does it have a USB charging port inside?
And how many bugattis does it cost?
Lol, they designed an electric powertrain for a super-car, but they didn't design custom bumpers without openings for tail pipes. But else-wise nice car, though I assume this will play a league higher than the tesla, think porsch 911 -> ferrari modena
"Now we just need a price."
Really, do we?
100000000 dollars
i have a better plan for the guys at shelby:
put just 200 horse powers into a "normal" fancy electric car with 150-200 miles range, 10 minutes recharge, 30.000 dollar ... and BAM the company would be bigger than jesus
Beautiful car, also a great step forward if this thing really can be charged in 10 minutes and you get 150 - 220 miles out of it per charge. However charging at that fast means this isn't a Trickle charge like most chargers, and this is a full on assault which causes heat.
so,
A) Is there a cooling system for the batteries during charging?
B)What is the life span of the batteries during normal usage?
C)How much does the car cost? (Retail)
D)How much does it cost to replace the batteries after "x" number of charges?
Other than those questions though I think Shelby is going to help out in the "Electric Car Race", hopefully they can license their technology to large manufacturers and get lower power models of this design in some "average" people cars so we can all benefit from low charge times with excessively dangerous power.
The batteries are made of pure unobtainium.
While I did find that comment amusing, it's already been obtained. There is a company in Europe that made an EV that could recharge in 10 minutes (they designed the battery from scratch) and it's already in production, though unfortunately I can't remember the name of the car...
Well, ok if it's been made, it's going to cost unobtainabillion.
@bob
has anyone ever called you a buzzkill at a party by chance?
Shelby lacks competent designers. All of their so-called "supercars" are just souped-up ridicilously trimmed Corvettes that beat records on straight lines, but would probably brake in half if it would be required to turn a corner. It's affiliation with Corvette is particularly evident in the rear segment of the car. Don't like this car at all.
I think you're confusing the Corvette and the Mustang. The corvette most certainly can corner and has been one of the top GT1 class Le Mans and ALMS cars of the decade.
Oh, no, not a Corvette! You mean the Corvette that (in ZR1 form, at least) is beating Porsches and Ferraris at the Nordschliefe? Probably the highest-performing American production (i.e. non-boutique) car *ever*? Yeah, basing a sports car on the Corvette would be a *terrible* idea.
This makes me weak at the knees...
This is all very nice but why not create a normal car which will go 400-500 miles and 0-60 in 6 or 7 secs, top speed 120mph? You know something actually useful..........
Or even a normal car to go 250 miles but cheaper as less batteries will be needed?
Umm, because they are called Shelby SUPER CARS, not Shelby-lets make the average Joe happy-Cars
Besides, if you read it, the technology has potential to be licensed for different platforms.
The high end cars will show the world that electric doesn't mean slow/dull while the technology itself would help the lower end. A normal car using the technology wont have that WOW factor, just being yet another forgettable electric car. At least that's how I see it...
It would be interesting if the 90kg (I think - read it on Top Gear yesterday) powertrain includes the batteries...
I wonder how much they'll be
I smell trouble for Tesla
No, that's just the ozone from the motors. I know, the smells are very similar, but a trained nose knows.
Tesla's got more troubles than this.
I smell trouble for SSC.
There is *no way* this can be charged in 10 minutes from a 220v outlet. All this says is they don't know what they are talking about or are so desperate for publicity they will say anything.
My guess is they are trying to get some oil-rich Arab billionaire to buy them out and shut down the "EV line".
Either that or Mr Shelby will be getting next year's Nobel prize for physics...
Feh, the bickering losers at Teslar can f**k themselves -- Oh wait! That's what they've been all doing past 2 years!
Too bad for Teslar investors.
I know this will be unafforadable to the average joe, but it looks like electric cars are now officially just as capable and feasable as a combustion car...this is awesome
hopefully it weighs the same as the combustion version
I call bull on the 0-60 in 2.5s figure, and I'm an engineer.
Since the maximum forward force that can be maintained is limited by the frictional forces between car and road, this figure is essentially capped at F = m*g*u, given your maximum forward acceleration, F=m*a, this cancels down to acceleration=g*u
Given best case scenario where coefficient of friction is 1 (which is unlikely), your maximum acceleration is 9.8 ms^-2, which give a best case 0-60 in 2.7s
However, this neglects downforce, but even if you were driving a wedge of a car, you still wouldn't be able to generate enough downforce to achieve 0-60 in 2.5s, especially since your coefficient of friction is more like 0.7 with any road-legal tyres.
So how do the Veryon, Ultima GTR and Caparo T1 do it then?
Mike> good point. This is why they wound up dragster racing in the early 80s of course.
Besides the Bugatti, the other two do 0-60 around 2.5 to 2.6 seconds, with slicks.
You'd find it really difficult to go under 2.5 seconds on a rear-wheel drive car with road tyres.
Debbie Downer! (muffled trumpet sound)
What you say is all fine and dandy, but I guess the loophole here is your friction coefficient,
If we assume the coefficient to be maximum 1 your right and no car can accelerate to 60 in more than about 2.83 something second
but that is not always the case, as it may be the case with special tires and asphalt, the tire might actually "dig into" the asphalt and might have a coefficient greater than 1, and I quote from wikipedia:
Rubber in contact with other surfaces can yield friction coefficients from 1 to 2. Occasionally it is maintained that µ is always < 1, but this is not true.
This from a software engineer.
I just shat my pants and peed and creamed all at once and i'm doing it again brb
hmm.. how do i change my password?
i'll start by posting in a completely unrelated thread!
Would love to do doughnuts around a Prius in this thing.
Why does this thing have exhaust pipes and air inlets?
Air inlets, possibly for more downforce, A/C, and cooling.
Exhaust? Probably to let it fart on lesser cars!
pity its a yank car...
At least we're trying. I'd like to see a "British" Rover, Jag, MINI or Vauxhall do that... oh no wait, they are as British as a Mondeo made in Belgium or some Indian curry.
@ Zane
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Lotus-Eco-Elise-green-CAR-review/?content-block=0
And before you argue they're owned by Proton, the actual engineering and manufacture is done just up the road from me. Can't get more British. They've also developed alternative fuel versions too.
I personally have no complaints this is an American car though. Let's just hope it goes well in the corners as well as on the drag strip (the 'vette ZR-1 proved muscle cars can be both).
Nope, it's a nice idea but its pie in the sky I'm afraid, at least on the re-charging from a home supply bit.
1000bhp = 745 Kilowatts.
If we make some conservative assumptions; no. 1 The car can only apply this for 5 minutes max (I'd hope it was much more) then we're looking at a total usage of 223,500 kilojoules.
No 2 - the car can convert 50% of the energy it pulls in from the external souce into power for movement (unlikely).
This means that it has to pull in 223,500 kilojoules x 2 in 10 minutes, or 447,000 kilojoules divided by 600 seconds, we're back to a required output of 745 kilowatts (745,000 joules per second) from your domestic supply. No no no. The biggest things you can run off a domestic supply are about 3000 watts, that's 3 kilowatts. It's absolutely MILES away from plausible, and that's with EXTREMELY conservative estimates. The mains supply in your street would melt at 745 kilowatts, never mind your house. The cables to plug it in would have to be fecking MASSIVE.
Nice idea though...
did you just pull that out of your ass?
if not, good job at paying attention in physics.
You can pull a lot more than 3,000 Watts from a domestic supply. My jacuzzi is on a 50A 240V circuit and pulls nearly 12KW with everything going. 5.5KW heater, 2x 3HP pumps, air blower, light, control circuitry. The electric cook stove I used to have before I switched to gas was on another 50A circuit, and my clothes dryer is a 5600 Watt unit on a 30A circuit. I've seen electric on-demand hot water heaters that required a 120A dedicated circuit. Obviously no electric car is going to be able to quick charge from a regular 15A or 20A (or 13A in the UK) household receptacle like you'd plug a lamp into.
Still, there's no way around the laws of the universe and the charge current on that thing to achieve a charge in 10 minutes must be obscene, without knowing the battery capacity we can't say for sure, but I suspect the 1,000HP spec is a peak output for a few seconds at most, maybe even a fraction of a second, not anywhere near 5 minutes. I'd be surprised if you could do the insane 0-60 thing more than a few times before the battery was depleted but it sure would be fun. For anyone who could afford a car like this, the expense of having even a 100A or more dedicated circuit installed would be trivial, and chances are they already own a big house with a 400 or even 600A service.
I don't understand the hype over electric cars. It doesn't make any sense to me. In a country that is already having trouble producing enough electricity for the existing needs, why are we trying to add even more demand? I know the environmental wackos think they are saving the planet and reducing their carbon foot print, but they really are not. Most of the electricity in this country is produced by burning fossil fuels. So we are exchanging cars that have been designed to burn clean for power plants that have not been updated in decades that burn fossil fuels. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
If I'm not mistaken, during the night time, there's actually a lot of capacity in the grid (when the factories and businesses shut down for the day). They're probably planning on most of the charging taking place at night, when people get home and plug their cars in.
Disregarding the "wackos" comment for the moment, I think the idea behind electrifying automobiles is that you separate the "fuel" from the chassis. Currently a large amount of our electricity is generated via some fairly dirty methods (coal, oil) and some is generated from cleaner sources (natural gas, wind and other renewables). But with EV's, when you update a *single* power plant (either by changing the fuel or by making it more efficient or adding more pollution controls) you automatically update *every* vehicle that draws power from that plant. Try that with our current fleet of fossil fuel powered vehicles.
Its this separation of fuel from chassis where the real environmental benefit is going to occur.
Oh, and why the hate? :)
Thats some serious amperage their feeding those batteries.