No sooner than we get wind of a possible
Samsung 12 megapixel camera phone does
NEC reveal a linear shift-invariant (LSI) chip that, along with the proper CMOS sensor, can bestow onto mobile devices the power to shoot 12 megapixel imagery, as well as output full-HD video. Dubbed the CE143, it's being touted by the company for Its focus speed and signal-to-noise reduction 6db greater than with what's currently in the market. The chip will integrate with an image stabilizer, shading correction, and other essential point-and-click tools. Manufacturers should expect to get some hands-on time when samples begin shipping out in March. Keep a lookout for this one at Mobile World Congress later this month.
posted Feb 6th 2009 9:22AM
My 5mp camer-camer, is as many mp as you need. I bought a 12 mp canon long zoom camera, (i think it was 12, it may have been 10) and man the noise on that thing was soooo bad. You could see the noise on a simple 4x6 photo, let alone zooming in on it. Why would I want a camera that can print poster size when poster size would look like shit anyway?
I realize you are in large part functionally illiterate, but can't you at least read the engadget article summary?
"It's being touted by the company for Its focus speed and signal-to-noise reduction 6db greater than with what's currently in the market. The chip will integrate with an image stabilizer, shading correction, and other essential point-and-click tools."
That means that it improves the quality of images more than just doubling the resolution will.
LSI stands for "Large Scale Integration". Get your acronyms right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Scale_Integration#SSI.2C_MSI.2C_LSI
WRONG, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTI_system_theory
"wave your business" ? Freudian slip? Hmmm.......
Hope that future I phones will have that chip
Nice idea, but unless the sensors start getting physically larger, 12MP is a pipe dream. Any lens that could resolve that many line pairs on the size of a current cell-phone sensor would be 1) Huge, 2) Heavy, and 3) Unbelievably Expensive. Also unless there is a radical change in technology (like Harvard's black-silicon photovoltaic technology which is many years off from being used in a camera sensor) or the chips get larger, the noise is going to obliterate any detail gained.
exactly... Why does the general public have to be so easily hoodwinked with bullshit numbers??? It's about time new phones had larger and better quality camera sensors.. we don't need more pixels!!
No kidding. More pixels will only expose the quality of the lens.
But then a typical target customer for these cell phone devices may not care about that.
Will they put a good lens with image stabilization on it? A halfway decent flash?
But, it doesn't matter to me, where I work we can't have camera phones.
Go away, iPhone-wanker!
I agree with the first poster, WHY WHY WHY???
What is point of squeezing this many pixels onto a tiny little crap sensor with a $1 lens, when a DSLR wth 4MP's will take better pictures. Im sorry, I just dont believe in having one device that does it all. But then again im a photographer.
Indeed. Unfortunately it seems that many consumers have never heard the phrase "Jack of All trades, master of none."
@thethirdmoose I am aware of the touted improvements, and the are nice pie-in-the-sky dreams, it's pointless to tout that it's able to handle 12MP. I'm pretty certain if you could even find a lens that could focus 4000 points over an area about 5mm across it would cost somewhere in the area of $100,000 and wouldn't fit in your pocket.
Focus speed doesn't improve IQ, image stablizer will reduce some shake blur but it doesn't fix a bad lens, the increased SNR would be nice but cutting the area of each pixel to about 20% of what it is on a 2MP sensor would lower the SNR by much more that that.
It's a cool chip for a 2MP sensor, I just hope no marking genius thinks they'll sell more cameras by matching this chip with a 12MP sensor. I'd much rather see these chips improve interpolation and the camera phone companies improve their lenses more than anything.
very soon, mobile phones will totally pwn my Panasonic FZ28.....
Maybe nikon should consider building a phone into their replacement for the D90.
Oh, boy! 12 megapixel photos taken through really crappy cell phone lenses!
"signal-to-noise reduction 6db greater than with what's currently in the market"
Manufacturers quote their dB under two misleading conditions:
1. Without optics. Two sensors may carry the same 65dB spec, but if you put a cell phone lens in front of one and an SLR lens in front of the other, the real world performance will be an order of magnitude different!
2. At minimal gain. It's like car manufacturers that quote *peak* horsepower at 6,000RPM, but the engine produces half the power at lower RPMs, except 10 times worst. Unless you're taking photos with 100,000 lux studio lighting, the gain will be no where near the level needed to reach the quoted signal to noise ratio!
Anytime a camera has over 10 megapixels, it's for marketing purposes only. To get people to buy their camera instead of that 8 mp camera over there because "it has more megapixels."
Not if you're a serious amateuer/semi-pro/pro... my DSLR has 14MP and i use it all the time for crops and enlargements. More MP is good as long as it's backed up by quality hardware. Increasing MP with poor optics is pointless.
not true.
True.
sweet, cameras that can call people
holy shit-pounding graham cracker fudgicle calzones!
The MP wars feel like the old Ghz wars. It makes 90% of non-technical people think ohhhh I only have a 4MP I need a new one because 8MP must be better.
iphone fails
no memory card slot.
crap gps with in the uk.
no proper bluetooth thats not controlled so mp3s or shit cant be sent
and a shitty £2 meg camera
sony ericsson ftw !
Finally! I can send high-quality pictures of my drunk friends from dark, shady bars!
I hope they have an interconnect so you can team them up in pairs for next week's 24 megapixel phones.
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesnt the iphone have an ARM processor? What if this is ANY indication that this chip may be used in the iphone that MAY be launched in June...
Dont low ranking me for a suggestion now?
Im just curious
Since when has anyone released a camera phone with a lens capable of delivering 12MP of resolution? Does Nokia have some insane plan to release a flip-phone with a Canon EF lens mount that I don't know about? Will it work with my 3.8kg 600mm lens? Perhaps it will only take EF-S, or maybe they'll go with the Nikon F-mount?
Stop the MP madness!