Oh, brother. Another Intel / NVIDIA paper
fight? As fate would so
fittingly have it, these two giants are meeting up yet again, this time in the courtroom. After talks "of over a year" failed to amount to anything, Intel has filed suit against NVIDIA that -- according to Intel -- "seeks to have the court declare that NVIDIA is not licensed to produce chipsets that are compatible with any Intel processor that has integrated memory controller functionality, such as Intel's Nehalem [Core i7] microprocessors and that NVIDIA has breached the agreement with Intel by falsely claiming that it is licensed." Of course, NVIDIA's official stance is that Intel is simply trying "stifle innovation to protect a decaying CPU business." We have all ideas that the whole truth (and nothing but the truth) lies somewhere in between, but we guess that's why we have people called "lawyers" heading to work each day. If you're daring enough to dig deeper, all the links you need are neatly positioned below.
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Read - Intel's take
Read - NVIDIA's official response
Read - Further Intel comments
posted Feb 18th 2009 2:09PM
Intel should just buy nvidia and destroy AMD/ATI
You must be itching for $1000 gpu's and $2000 cpu's right?
Sure if it means that kids wont be able to play games anymore
More like I hope ATI/AMD destroy Nvidia's pricing.
Oh wait that's how the GTX 260/280 and the 9800 GTX/+ dropped in price thanks to ATI ;)
Yep for instance the GTX 280 at launch was $650 but dropped quickly to $400 after the Radeon HD4850 and HD4870s came out kicking their ass. Only reason I got an Nvidia GPU in my build was for Physx but I hear there's ways to make it work on Radeon GPUs as well....
"...but I hear there's ways to make it work on Radeon GPUs as well...."
Nein.
Yes, on Windows 7 and XP(No Vista though) you can have an ATi card with a nVIDIA card as Physx
What an idiot...
How much Intel stock do you own?
What a great idea.
nVidia gives Intel a semi free pass to use SLI on X58
Intel returns the favor by suing nVidia over boards that currently don't even exist.
Way to go Intel!
Seriously though. They are fighting over Motherboards that dont yet exist as I understand it.
nVidia pretty much dropped out of the LGA1366 game and was going to focus on the LGA1156 boards.
Originally, these boards were not going to use an IMC.
Whats the BFD?
I think you're missing the big picture.
If you setup a lemonade stand, and your next door neighbor wanted to start his own stand but required the use of your lemonade formula, would you let him do it?
This same neighbor kid then starts saying how much better his lemonade is, and that yours is tasteless and on the way out. Would you continue to let this kid use your proprietary formula to generate revenue that will be used to drive you out of business?
Intel is legally posturing to keep nvidia at bay. Nvidia is pushing GPGPU as an alternate to CPU, and additionally pushing their own low-power/low cost chips that directly compete with Intel. It's a double edge sword of course, they want the licensing revenue, but they do want to make sure that Nvidia knows who is their daddy.
I guess I see your point there, but why not let them compete on their merits.
Personally I think nV desktop chipsets suck lately. The nVRAID is a joke and aside from SLI, there is virtually no reason to go with an nVidia chipset over an Intel one.
Now low end desktops and laptops are a different story. Here some of nVidia's shortcomings in the Southbridge are not as noticeable and their integrated graphics tend to more than make up for them.
So I can see Intel deciding to go to battle over the low end, where ION and GF9300 are pretty hot. But the way Intel fights this battle is to sue over the use of a technology that is arguably only valid in the middle to high end desktop market.
Look at all the new MacBooks out there, how do you think they feel? They run both Intel and NVIDIA... poor apple.
How they feel? Hot like usual!
Imagine if they actually worked together instead of fighting, we might actually be able to play crysis.
Good one.
The first Crysis comment that made me laugh in a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time.
I play crysis with my core i7 and gtx 295 ;)
I play crisis with my fists.
But who wants to play a tech demo ?
I can play Crysis no problem, maybe you should stop trying to play it on your computer from 1999.
^^^^Ooooh, computer loser diss!
Or we could be a step closer to get out of our economic cr..
Nah, won't happen.
This seems suicidal. If Intel burns bridges with nVidia, I doubt AMD will be very interested in collaborating.
Ouch to intel, why do this to nvidia? So many lawsuits going on right now...hard to keep track.
Let's take Intel to court for outsourcing Jobs out of USA and for being a monopolist.
But Jobs lives in Cupertino?
But isn't it monopolistic to not be able to outsource your jobs?
These companies go through so many lawsuits, i bet its weird for them when they do not have a court case..
Let the two expensive companies sort things out while AMD and ATI make money off of components real people can afford. If there is any money to be made in the near future in PCs it will be at the low end the cheap end. Look at the rise of netbooks. $1000 plus for a processor and $500 for a video is hard to swallow even for gamers.
I'd rather pay a bit extra and get the best money can buy than go "cheap" and get lesser quality
lol @ poor people
if you cant afford a good card stick to the kiddie consoles kthx
Wow, if I get one of those monster "rigs" I too can have a huge E-Peen
Actually, Intel is the king of affordable but good cpu... But I like ATI.
I had an HD4850, and performance wise, it was king-dingaling.
The downside is that I got video corruption. I called HP and had them bring a brand new 30" LCD and it still exhibited the same issues. RMA'd the card (
@balls
"king-dingaling" lol
Banjo Kazooie
Seriously do we really want an Intel only world?
Core i7 only exist because AMD was doing so well with Hypertransport.
X58 only exist because of how much better nForce chipsets where.
Without competition Intel would keep give us garbage like P4.
nVidius is also guilty. like someone else pointed out, its prices are constantly being forced down when ATI brings out an invariably cheaper and usually better product.
We actually need AMD/ATI, Nvidia, and SIS to get better, I wish VIA was more competitive as it would help a lot to put pressure on both Intel and AMD.
PS: Atom sucks sucks sucks when you compare it to Via Nano, but somehow this is not clear to peops
I think it's hit and miss.
I had an nForce 680SLI based motherboard and it was completely shit. Not only was it not future compatible with the newer Intel Chips as Nvidia claimed, all of the extra features, like trunking, QOS bandwidth, etc caused major issues. Not to mention the really shitty drivers for nvidia's stuff.
But, I bet you probably have the exact same history with Intel--shitty drivers, non-working features, unfulfilled promises.
So long story short: Apple sucks.
Yeah, with netbook battery life now over 7 hours on the newest models, the use of a Via Nano would actually make sense. Sure, battery life may drop a bit, but not by as much as most people think. It only uses more power when the CPU is being utilized heavily, and that's not actually very often. When it does happen, it's not for very long. Perhaps you opened an app. That's it.
At idle or low demand, the Via Nano uses around the same amount of power. It also provides around 30% faster processing speed, so the processes that require the CPU to do its thing won't take as long as it does on an Intel Atom.
If I got 5.5 hours on a netbook instead of 7 hours, and it was noticeably faster and able to run things like Vista (not that I would or anything), then put it in.
Owww, how cute... Nvidia and Intel are rough housing again. These two companies must just be trying to find ways to keep their high priced lawyers busy. I doubt this would effect the long-term blue-team/green-team collaborations. There are probably conference rooms in Santa Clara with schedules that read like the following:
9:00am. Intel/Nvidia legal meeting case No. xyz
1:00pm. Intel/Nvidia project lead meeting on bumblefucknowheretown chipset
Meanwhile, Everlast sues Engadget.
"stifle innovation to protect a decaying CPU business." ???
Not necessarily, but they are trying to protect their market share and they'll use any means to do so.
It seems to me that Intel is doing this to posture themselves for the launch of Larrabee in 2010. If they can muscle NVIDIA out of putting their integrated GPUs onto Core i7 boards (and integrated GPU is definitely where NVIDIA is focusing now that Intel X58 can run SLI), then they'll have that much less competition for their new GPUs. This is definitely a low blow from Intel though. I'd prefer Intel focus on winning us all over with mind-blowing technology than to try to force us into using their product for a lack of alternatives.
Jon Bach
President - Puget Systems
http://www.pugetsystems.com
Oh for crying out loud, not again.
Well good thing I already got my X58 board before everybody takes their licensing and goes home.
If Nvidia loses this suit perhaps apple will have to switch back to Intel chipsets (and HORRIBLE intel integrated gfx) when they refresh their line with nehalem based processors...
thanks to Microsoft for havoc on Nvidia real bad during the release of windows vista, this made nvidia aware of the problems on the pc compatibility issue this is why they created CUDA to offset CPU and memory usage on vista since its not xp same hal abstraction layer and now microsoft has redesign the windows 7 kernel and directx hardware acceleration layer to cover up thier mistake again.