Seems like an okay idea to me. The Police don't usually investigate something without probable cause, so people who are doing nothing illegal have nothing to worry about. Cyber sex crimes are on the rise, and there needs to be something the police can do about it.
Stop watching CSI and start paying attention to what police in the real world do.... they LAY CHARGES without probable cause all the time.
It's thinking like yours that is why free speech and freedom of expression are becoming things we tell our children we used to have.
Once you start down the slope it's really easy to slide all the way down.
"In the name of the children" is used far to often to get people to hand over their rights. If you do just a little digging into what's actually going on in the world instead of what you read about you would learn that the children are just fine.
What the heck is wrong with you guys? Haven't you ever seen the "To Catch A Predator" specials? There are tons of people out there trying to hook up with young children for sex.
What if a person were to seduce a 12 year old girl into meeting with them and then kidnaps them. Wouldn't it be a good idea to have his last known internet using location?
If you guys choose porn over the safety of others, then there is something terribly wrong with you.
For one, there are other ways to find the offender. Secondly, ISPs keep logs anyway, they just don't keep them for 2 years. And police can access these logs with proper warrant signed by a judge. I may be mistaken but I think one of the provisions of this bill is that the police doesn't need a warrant to access the logs.
In any case, this bill is not going to deter criminals, and it's not going to make anyone safer. All it will do is increase the chance that innocent people will be accused of crimes, and then at best their money and government's money will be wasted on clearing their names. At worst, they will end up in jail for a crime they didn't commit - does that sound like a free country to you?
musicman, do not simplify the issue. people are not choosing porn over the safety of others, they are choosing personal liberty. this must be weighed upon that issue.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
The reason you must resist these kind of laws is to limit how much power your government has. It's like the story about giving a mouse a cookie. Give them this, next they'll want to create a law to enforce certain "moral standards" on the internet. Then they'll want an internet "Fairness Doctrine" to force people to certain viewpoints. Hell, if you give them enough power then everything I've written here would eventually be considered unlawful in the future for questioning and promoting the resistance of the government.
Yeah, yeah, To Catch A Predator is scary and all, but have you ever heard of a pervert contacting an actual young child INSTEAD of a police officer? Just think about the scenario of a child actually inviting an older man from the Internet to come over to his/her house and have sex; you've been a child at one point, wouldn't you find that kind of thing disgusting?
I'm not saying children aren't sexually abused by people they meet on the Internet, but To Catch A Predator is a really questionable form of proof.
This is where education is best. Teach the kids not to agree to meet ups! Teach them not to give out private info!
I shouldnt have to worry about the feds showing up at my door, because I go to shady parts of the internet. I shouldnt have to worry about someone spying on my internet, or demanding I keep logs of my wifi traffic.
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Seems like an okay idea to me. The Police don't usually investigate something without probable cause, so people who are doing nothing illegal have nothing to worry about. Cyber sex crimes are on the rise, and there needs to be something the police can do about it.
Cyber sex crimes? Are you kidding me? Are you saying there's cyber rape and cyber molestation going on?
Seriously. At this rate, just fucking close the internet.
Change my ass. (Note: the bill will 99.99% surely not make it since it's Republican proposed. At least, I hope so.)
Stop watching CSI and start paying attention to what police in the real world do.... they LAY CHARGES without probable cause all the time.
It's thinking like yours that is why free speech and freedom of expression are becoming things we tell our children we used to have.
Once you start down the slope it's really easy to slide all the way down.
"In the name of the children" is used far to often to get people to hand over their rights. If you do just a little digging into what's actually going on in the world instead of what you read about you would learn that the children are just fine.
In the UK you can be locked away for viewing such 'Extreme' Porn.
What the heck is wrong with you guys? Haven't you ever seen the "To Catch A Predator" specials? There are tons of people out there trying to hook up with young children for sex.
What if a person were to seduce a 12 year old girl into meeting with them and then kidnaps them. Wouldn't it be a good idea to have his last known internet using location?
If you guys choose porn over the safety of others, then there is something terribly wrong with you.
For one, there are other ways to find the offender.
Secondly, ISPs keep logs anyway, they just don't keep them for 2 years. And police can access these logs with proper warrant signed by a judge. I may be mistaken but I think one of the provisions of this bill is that the police doesn't need a warrant to access the logs.
In any case, this bill is not going to deter criminals, and it's not going to make anyone safer. All it will do is increase the chance that innocent people will be accused of crimes, and then at best their money and government's money will be wasted on clearing their names. At worst, they will end up in jail for a crime they didn't commit - does that sound like a free country to you?
musicman, do not simplify the issue. people are not choosing porn over the safety of others, they are choosing personal liberty. this must be weighed upon that issue.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
The reason you must resist these kind of laws is to limit how much power your government has. It's like the story about giving a mouse a cookie. Give them this, next they'll want to create a law to enforce certain "moral standards" on the internet. Then they'll want an internet "Fairness Doctrine" to force people to certain viewpoints. Hell, if you give them enough power then everything I've written here would eventually be considered unlawful in the future for questioning and promoting the resistance of the government.
Yeah, yeah, To Catch A Predator is scary and all, but have you ever heard of a pervert contacting an actual young child INSTEAD of a police officer? Just think about the scenario of a child actually inviting an older man from the Internet to come over to his/her house and have sex; you've been a child at one point, wouldn't you find that kind of thing disgusting?
I'm not saying children aren't sexually abused by people they meet on the Internet, but To Catch A Predator is a really questionable form of proof.
To Catch a Predator? Seriously?
This is where education is best. Teach the kids not to agree to meet ups! Teach them not to give out private info!
I shouldnt have to worry about the feds showing up at my door, because I go to shady parts of the internet. I shouldnt have to worry about someone spying on my internet, or demanding I keep logs of my wifi traffic.