MSI did a laudatory job this morning baffling us with its
Winki release, but we managed to find an exceptionally kind, English-speaking representative at its
CeBIT booth today who broke it down for us. In short, Winki is MSI's new
instant-on operating system. It's Linux-based, and looks a heck of a lot more elaborate than the
HyperSpace instant-on OS that we toyed with in January. The kicker is that at least for now, this thing is only for desktops, as it's actually built into a small module (shown above) that plugs directly into an MSI motherboard. At first, only select mainboards will come bundled with Winki, but it just might roll out across MSI's entire mobo line. The dame we spoke with wouldn't divulge any details on whether this OS would ever come to its wide-ranging laptop line, but we suspect it will in due time. Winki provides easy access to IM services, Skype and the internet, which is a shortcut to
Doom away from being all the true gamer needs in life, anyway.
posted Mar 4th 2009 1:39PM
Oh my god, how come you computer boot up so fast!
You win sir.
@ Derry
What in Gods name did you say?
Here is the recipe
-1 4GB jump drive
-1 hour to download
-Ubuntu OS
-optional DVD -RW
I think "i" will stick to my Ubuntu on a USB drive...
Hmm... iGoon, Have you tried that? I have and it takes MUCH longer to boot off the USB flash drive linux than it does off of a hard drive install.
It is pretty simple to see why:
Your computer can read / write to your hard drive at about 60-70 MB/s, it can only read / write to your flash drive at about 16-24 MB/s.
Unless you download a flavor of linux that is optimized to boot fast off a flash drive, you are going to see a sharp increase in boot time. The stock version of Ubuntu are not optimized for a fast boot, especially not off a flash drive.
Sounds nice...
it would be super neat if this thing is like a separate virtualPC independent from the normal OS, so I switch between or use both at the same time, also can be used when I wait for windows/linux to boot.
I was just thinking if I could launch this and put my OS's into a VMWare environment and be sitting in this messing around on the internet waiting for my OS to boot. Oh and that is just plugged into a standard USB jumper port.
the module is really just a USB thumb drive.
Seems like an easy hack. Unplug the module and use a header-to-usb cable to make it into a standard flash USB drive. I'll bet we see boot images on the torrent networks in 0-days flat...
Well, if it's linux-based they really should be releasing the image back to the public domain anyway (assuming they haven't tacked on any magical trickery)
Why not just have it as a USB or IDE module... Or as a SATA module?
Then it could be used on any mobo and they would make more money from it.
The module that's picture looks like its an internal MB USB socket, for if your case has front mount USB sockets.
I'm very familiar with them.
I personally use them for internalizing Bluetooth/WiFi dongles for when im too lazy to get a PCI card.
I didn't see that JUSB 1 marking first time.
I think its a good idea..
We are so on the same page, we might want to procreate.
well I do have half a minute free...
It looks like it's just a dual usb bus it's plugged into. It doesn't look like a proprietary connection. What do you guys think?
I concur, the jumper bases are the same color code as the USB 2 and 3 next to it, maybe that USB 1. They might have code in there that checks the mobo chipset that prevents it from booting up; it's anyone's guess though!
Yeah, if you look closely at the writing on the mobo, it says 'USB1'
I third it!
But thats not to say there isn't some propriatary DRM-esqe chip or bios on the mobo as well...
though i think using a serial or PCI bus would have been a better choice then USB...
So Winki is a dongle?
The better question is, if its just a USB Mobo header by does it need to chew up 2 ports for one device. Granted it would kinda odd to just pass one port out to a back plate or something like that, but if you combined this as part of a two header backplate where you get 3 usable ports and the winki drive off two headers. Just a thought, but I'm not really down with the idea of loosing two ports to a single device.
You really shouldn't have to sacrifice 2 USB ports for this feature...
it has at least 3 other headers. youll live without this one. if you have more than 6 devices (and prolly 4 more on the back(atleast)) you need to consider investing in a usb hub
Lets say you have a customer who got a virus or something happen to windows that you cant get into windows... You pop open the case plug that sucker into the mobo and BAM BLOOM BLANG Instant Linux to back up all his crap and reinstall Windows.
Id say its a fantastic use of 2 usb ports in that sense, but thats if itll work that way. I'm sure that if it doesnt, someone will hack it at some point so we can.
Personally id love to have an instant os like that to trouble shoot HDD problems quicker.
Why not use two USB ports? A single port can use a daisy chain of hubs with 127 devices, minus the number of hubs.
Do YOU have 10+ USB ports on the front and back of your computer that need this header? I think my case has two on the front, and then there's 8 on the back panel. Seriously, are you gonna miss this one?
Open the case? Yeah,thats not a hassle and waste of time.
If Im opening the case I might as well take out the drive. How abuot I just use a live CD (UBCD4WIN) or boot from a live image on a usb drive and save the 10 minutes it takes looking for a screwdriver.
The idea is that you can leave it inside the computer 24/7 so you don't have an ugly dongle outside your computer. I'm curious as to whether this will work with any computer, or if they've coded it (or the mobos) in such a way as to restrict it to MSI only.
Winki? You effing serious MSI? And hands-on your Winki?
Yeah lol you cant exaclty show this off to your mates
Glad I'm not the only one that though this.
That, my friends, is indeed what she said.
Yeah, you guys missed the comments from the other article about this earlier today..
probably 2 days (if that) after the first motherboard is release, someone will hack it and put it on the internet for all.
Problem is if you don't have a matching chipset it won't load your drivers.
yeah... because Linux doesn't have drivers for any boards but those made by MSI...
Looks like a bootble flashdrive to me.
My ASUS motherboard has instant on using the Splashtop OS. I surf the net in five seconds. If this version has printer support its a winner in my book.
Great idea, great idea.
However I am a bit worried about the security of your DATA on the actuall HDD when lets say is running Windows OS on the HDD.
on another note, it does appear to be a bodule that simply sits on a USB port off the mobo, if thats all it is then one can in theory simply acquire on of those modules and place it on any mobo that supports booting for USB Devices (you may have a problem with it comes to drivers for the mobo and the module).
I can't get it. Why would I want an instant-on OS on a desktop? To instantly see my mail? I can wait 50 seconds for that.
Next question: why do I have to pay for that?
only big benefit i see in this is that it could save battery life big time, specially when you are not doing work and just want to surf the net.
@nick
What battery life do you need to save on a Desktop? This isn't for laptops.
@Tarnation
I think he means if and when they decide to port this into laptops (you know they will).
Seems like a solid idea, I pop open my laptop a few times a day just to check e-mail or run a quick search. It would be nice to not really have to boot up the OS for that if I did not really have to. And yes I know I could just sleep the thing and use it, but It would be a nice option on something like a netbook that you might need to use for longer than 3 hours away from a plug. It has a niche, now we see how big that will be.
For me, the use is (ASUS SplashTop) is usually just after I shut the thing down, I remember something I wanted to look up or read. Or I am sitting in the living room doing something else and I just need to look something up on the web quickly. I don't see the need to boot up windows if I am only going to spend 5-10 mins online reading something. Definitely nice to have as an option.
You need a USB bootable bios though...
Thats probably not an issue these days.
I'm looking forwards to putting W7 on a speedy 16Gb SSD, and having all my documents on the Hard Disk.
lol, hands on...
It's a USB DOM (Disk on Module) something like the link below...
So they've loaded up Linux on it and set the board to boot via USB, big deal.
http://www.pqigroup.com/product2.asp?oid=140&cate1=148&PROID=115
Very creative name!
+100000 for it :p
If it is not compatible with all their Mobos, I guess that means, the mobo needs something special in order to be able to boot from it. otherwise every BIOS that has boot from USB option should be able to do it.
Anyway, it's about time. They should make it 1/3 of the size though. Also what resolution does it support? if it is 800x600.. no thanks. I hope you can load your video/sound drivers on the thing, so then the Linux OS it carries loads, it will load with some decent drivers that let you see and hear.
Everybody loves a Winki Release, it does usually follow a Winki Hands-On.
Like it
Actually, this look like a variation of the EFI-X module I use to boot into OS X.
vista boots fast enough thx
lulz
Are you serious?
Allow it to open steam and they have a winner.
Another amazing tool for wana-be spies. Open a locked computer up, plug this in, and then start the computer... access the HD... yey.
Screw Windows Sign On.
Windows 7's sleep mode is amazing in of itself (not that other versions of Windows didn't have it, but thus far it has worked flawlessly for me).
Computer falls asleep, all components go to idle and power draw becomes nominal, and then within a second, a touch of a key brings the entire system back up to the very point it was last left on.
Microsoft has already taken care of this issue as far as Im concerned.
Last time I checked, my Windows sleep mode provided me the same thing.
In the end it's just a linux distro thats inferior to any Mac or Windows OS. I mean look how fast asus started pushing out the xp eee netbooks once they started. These OSs are really time wasters in the end of the day and rather deal with the slower to load Vista then a OS that couldn't anything useful for me to do then read my e-mail which is probably spam for 90% of the users anyway lol. Thats my opinion.... Anyone else feel the same??
I guess I view netbooks (using Linux) and instant on OSes as gateways to cloud computing. They are more thin clients, than the conventional PCs and notebooks we have been using for the past few decades. If you view them that way, the fast load OSes make a LOT of sense. If you are viewing them as a desktop/laptop replacement, they really are not up to it.
I REALLY like the idea that others have had, of a dual boot option. Fire up your PC using this, while your main OS loads in the background, and be able to keep this running as a virtual machine.
Now why can not Microsoft put the base code (that hardly ever changes) directly onto a chip as well? Hell you can flash your BIOS to update it the same thing could be done to a small OS chip built right onto the computer.
"Laudatory"? Ugh. Try laudable instead.
didnt read it all but it needs to boot windows in the background while this runs.
needs internet, email, media player, picture viewer and I will buy a msi board.
What the Hell?!
First Ubuntu, now Winki!
What is it with stupid OS names?
I thought Ubuntu came from the African philosophy...
"A person with Ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed.”
“One of the sayings in our country is Ubuntu - the essence of being human. Ubuntu speaks particularly about the fact that you can't exist as a human being in isolation. It speaks about our interconnectedness. You can't be human all by yourself, and when you have this quality - Ubuntu - you are known for your generosity."
"A traveller through a country would stop at a village and he didn't have to ask for food or for water. Once he stops, the people give him food, entertain him. That is one aspect of Ubuntu but it will have various aspects. Ubuntu does not mean that people should not address themselves. The question therefore is: Are you going to do so in order to enable the community around you to be able to improve?"
thats from wikipedia (I know crappy source but it was fast)
anyways it sounds like a good philosophy for open source code (everyone helping everyone for free which makes life better for everyone)
not sure if thats where its got its name but thats what I always thought.
yeah... they could have called it something like Millenium Edition, XP, Vista or just 7.
EFIX Rip? but for Linux~
Wow.
"The dame we spoke with wouldn't divulge any . . . "
I haven't heard that description of a lady in decades. Are you from Germany?
It seems like it will be bios specific hence the need for io of the dual header. Most newer mobos will boot from a usb device but, would not have a clue as to running 1 device that requires the combining of 2 ports.
My memory is no good. Is this the one that they were talking about requiring an annual subscription?
Something similar could be accomplished for free on any thumb drive if Ubuntu would just implement a minimum install option in their flash drive installation dropdown. The minimum install would be designed for the machine on which it is run in order to minimize or eliminate system hardware scans (time consuming) and would just immediately load drivers for that particular, known machine.
If you want this feature, post the feature request in the Ubuntu forum. Just one person asking for it (me) isn't going to get it for us.
This is all you need.
http://www.innodisk.com/production.jsp?flashid=32
Then install linux on that and your good to go.
My Asus mobo has an instant on OS already, with no dongle to go bad or lose. Expressgate has a browser, skype, and a few other functions built in.
winki? lol what the f. that's my dog's name. i'm suing for royalties.
lol! Winki eyes on! Not sure if Americans use that term, Look it up.
The word you were looking for is hell.